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Dave_b
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 6:47 PMAnyone else notice the music during the opening credits for Aliens is very similiar to some of the "Discovery Mission" background score on 2001: A Space Odyssey. Also, Ray Lovejoy did the editing for both films. Adrian Biddle did the cinematography for Aliens, but was used by Scott on Alien as a Focuser.
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Xenotron
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 7:44 PMThere may have been some since 2001 had been out for some time by then.
Cryo-puppy
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 7:54 PMHi Dave b,
I think 2001: A Space Odyssey is a seminal masterpiece, not only in respect to Kubric's oeuvre bu, in the history of film. I know Blue Danube by Strauss was used in the opening sequence of that film. In relation to the theme shared in Aliens, I do know it is a variation on a theme not originally written by James Horner. However, I can't tell you who the composer was right now, I'll try to identify the piece of music. Hopefully, someone here might know. Thanks for sharing!
artyoh
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 8:06 PM"2001" has influenced nearly every "space" Sci-fi movie made since it came out. As a single example, just look set designs for spacecraft interiors. Even though the "derelict" was an amazingly original design, most of the Nostromo spaces harken back to that earlier effort.
allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 8:20 PM@artyoh
I'd only disagree slightly to say that Nostromo/Alien really did not "harken back" to the aesthetic of "2001: A Space Odyssey", at all - and yet these things absolutely [i]were[/i] influenced by it, negatively?
I believe the whole deal with the human aesthetic of "Alien", ["Star Wars", "Blade Runner", etc, etc, etc], was to present the antithesis of "2001: A Space Odyssey".
To be honest, in my view, the real surprise is if a film is [i]not[/i] influenced by "2001: A Space Odyssey", in one way, or another, positively or negatively. That's how towering it is.
artyoh
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 8:29 PMYou need to watch them again. The padded panels aesthetic in numerous "2001" spacecraft interiors, is [i]all over[/i] the Nostromo living spaces.
allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 8:33 PM@artyoh
And you need to adjust your tone - particularly if you don't know what you're saying:
A padded panel is not, "aethestics"?
Your implication is that because both environments feature padded panels, they share the same aesthetic.
This is nonsense.
artyoh
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 8:47 PMPadded panels weren't used in Apollo era spacecraft. That aesthetic choice was adopted by Clarke and Kubrick for "2001" presumably because they thought padded spaces would make sense where civilians and zero G came together.......why you'd need such padding in spaces provided with artificial gravity isn't quite so clear, but that hasn't stopped many directors, set/production designers from using them. Look at the Prometheus interiors...there's padding all over the place....lol
Being influenced doesn't necessitate that something be an exact, carbon copy, but padded space-craft interiors [i]are an aesthetic choice[/i] that Scott plainly copied from "2001."
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 8:53 PM[b]Topic 3408 ![/b]
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allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 9:06 PM@artyoh
It is a redundant statement to say that the affectation of padding is an "aesthetic choice".
It is also redundant and furthermore irrelevant to state that influence does not necessitate copying - no-one has declared that.
You have suggested to me - in terms, I might add, quite uncalled for - that, by virtue of, "padding", "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "Alien", share the same aesthetic.
As I have explained to you once already, this is plainly nonsense, quite contrary to the fact - and now, all you are doing is entrenching yourself in the same, repeated, fallacy.
With that, you must continue to believe as your understanding allows - I wish you well with it.
On my understanding, I've already concluded that I've wasted enough time here.
Dave_b
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 9:09 PMEvery director borrows piecemeal from his predecessors, that which is expediant and effective to convey his or her vision. There is no need to have a pissing match....influence is in the eye of the beholder!
artyoh
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 9:25 PMOK, you look at these pictures and tell me there are no aesthetic similarities:
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wa2Ts6Po1dE/T1O1ouFB4EI/AAAAAAAABII/65I0RgF1kok/s1600/alienhospital.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/downloads/podbay_c4d_g7R.jpg[/img]
[img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091210033917/headhuntersholosuite/images/c/c0/USCSS_Nostromo_(Interior)_001.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8648/baydj5.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/Backlight/AlienHatches.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.retrocinema.wetcircuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/2001SpaceOdyssey035-800x377.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/m/more-new-prometheus-images-arrive-100710-03-470-75.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/m/more-new-prometheus-images-arrive-100710-02-470-75.jpg[/img]
Frankly, I wonder if someone who hadn't seen any of the movies, could tell which one each image came from.
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphApr-27-2012 3:10 AMIt´s interesting how Scott pays simultaneous tribute to 2001 and Star Wars in the opening of "Alien". There is the Nostromo passing through the camera, in a plane very reminscent of the imperial destroyer first appearence in Star Wars; but like 2001, there is no sound from the vessel _ what perfectly fits with the main slogan for the movie, "in space no one can hear you scream" _ what is a masterful merge between the naturalistic drive of 2001 (there is no sound in vacuum) and the needs of an horror film.
tenoh
MemberOvomorphApr-27-2012 12:37 PM@artyoh
There's a black monolith in that first picture!
Now where did that come from?
@Dave_b
Yes, absolutely right. Immediately recognised the musical reference to 2001 too. It's the adagio from Aram Khatchaturians ballet "Gayaneh".
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