Pondering

I am pretty sure most of the film tales place on "Zeta Reticuli".

Earth and the discovery is the catalyst that sends the story into space and on the unknown plant that will spark history.

I see you on this Ghost Solitare and yet, I don't...as far as I can gather, you may be coming at this conclusion from an angle that's just off center...I believe , and I have very little proof to back this up, but I believe what Weyland finds on earth that leads them into this expedition was not intentionally left as a marker for humanity to find and follow. There are two reasons for my feeling this way....one, my good old fashioned gut feeling. For whatever reason, I just don't get the sense we, humans, were ever meant to know about our creators/benefactors/progenators/whatever the hell they are to us. Two, there's that shot from the teaser of the medical examine table with what looks like a SJ helmet on it. [img]http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer14.jpg[/img] Whomever is standing in the foreground is wearing a suit and once I realized that, the rest of that shot gave me the feeling that it takes place on earth, not aboard the Prometheus in deep space. Who the hell wears a suit in deep space? It seems like a painfully obvious question to ask, but really...do we expect Ridley to have his Company exec., probably Vickers, wear a suit way out there in deep space on this expedition?...I think no, so....it would follow that this takes place on earth and my gut tells me that a SJ wouldn't intentionally leave a helmet behind to find, something about that doesn't follow...know what I mean? Lastly, being that Shaw's an archeologist, I wonder if the helmet was simply found on some random company funded dig and...who knows under what circumstances they find. We'll just have to wait and see.

Except as "Frantz" and "Biomechanic" and "Snorky" said, the DR. is there, And/Or an Archeologist... They Both don't examine Helmet's so that has to be a HEAD which I find difficult to believe would be examined on Earth, but rather far more likely it would be somewhere close to where it was discovered, and in this case, to me, that would be somewhere out there in deep space.

How can it be a head when Scott has said those are suits?...Just sayin'.

And maybe, concerning the Dr., they're just not sure exactly what it is and until they do have an idea, they approach it, in full medical gear, with the same apprehension for contamination you would in a medical situation. Why does that have to be a doctor?

I never said it was either one. If Ridley says it's a suit it's probably a suit. I still think they would examine it whatever it is. Knowing how he likes crews that usually do what they feel (breaking quarantine, not wearing gloves, and taking their helmets off on alien worlds) I would expect one of them tries the bio helmet skull thingy on for size and walks around the ship with it.

ok so big deal, it was Frantz and/or Snorky or someone else alltogether, but the point is they/ he whomever is 100% Dead Bang On IMO...It cannot be just a Helmet, wouldn't make even a bit of sense if it was.

I like that idea @Biomechanic...kinda funny.

Why wouldn't it make sense @Spartacus?

also if you look at it properly there are 2 eye holes on it, helmets don't have eye holes like those! Even further, lets say you guys are 100% right and it's a helmet, well, the helmet would have to have come off a living thing which I would assume would be far more interesting to examine than a helmet, so where is the rest of the suit? No, that's got to be a Head !

Because as I was saying an archeologist and a DR, with a mask would not be examining a Helmet on a hospital bed.

Think how this works is it is a suit like our bodies are suits for our souls if that makes sense. So your eyes are just a machine that allows your soul to see in a certain perspective. If it was a biological organism based technology they should definitely take precautions. I would expect no matter what it was they would follow laboratory protocols.

also the first line in this post/thread is this.... "I find myself wondering why the SJ's left their calling card on Earth" I need help understanding this comment, What is meant by it, where does this info come from that The "SJ left a calling card on earth", as far as I know right now, that race has never been to earth !!! That''s obviously the medical facility on board Prometheus. So I am guessing that It's an assumption to begin with that this scene is taking place on Earth which i 100% disagree with as well. All of that said, these are only my opinions and I could turn out of course to be Most Wrong !!! For me that is the fun part of it because I do not mind one bit being wrong, I always learn something new from each mistake I make. I just don't think this is going to be one of those times. Common Sense just tells me it won't be !

I understand and respect what you are saying "Bio", and if it turns out I was wrong it would not be the first time and I am O.K. with that.

The stormtrooper helmets in 'Star Wars' have two eye ports...don't they? And every mock helmet made for collectors has the inside set with binocular ports. I've seen them...and no I don't own one. We do know there's a beginning of time sequence at the start of the film...so it's a logical leap to suggest something left by some alien race, SJ or not, is found and leads to the Prometheus expedition. Now....I agree with you on the whole "calling card" thing. Where does that come from? I don't like it. It doesn't make any sense to me.

I agree with what you said but the holes in this particular "helmet" don't look like helmet holes to me, they look like almost perfectly positioned eye sockets on a face.

Also can we compare this one with that one somehow ? [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1a1helmet.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1a5-1.jpg[/img]

If I may interject somehing, in one of my earlier posts I said that I got the feeling that the SJ figure. Representations of SJ's were like effigies to somebody out there. That they paid homage to the SJ species which for some reason had cultural significance to them. Like the figures the Aztec's and Mayans had in their temples for different dieties. If the SJ' are Gods to certain of their progeny then the suit, the statues and all the represetations you have up until now seen are copies of a being that someone, perhaps the engineers reveres. That would mean there are two distinct species. The actual SJ's, and the Engineers who for whatever reason diefy SJ's. I know far fetched.....but something isn't adding up with all the suits, figures, and one big blue bald guy. A calling card doesn't neccessarily mean they intentionally wanted us to come and find them. It's simply a slick ref for physical evidence, Like the DNA at a crime scene that leads investigators to find the perp.

looks to me like those are veins on it's forehead in the 2nd image !

This is a direct copy and PASTE from THIS WEBSITE! TAB PLOT A team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a thrilling journey to the darkest corners of the universe Can it be any plainer? This is where I get the expression CALLING CARD ON EARTH.

it says clues to the origin of mankind on Earth, not that the clues themselves are found on Earth! i see what you mean now although I never looked at it that way and now that you are re stating it, one never knows maybe you are right and that's what that meant. I still don't think so, and with all due respect I am sorry to be so stubborn about it, but I still feel the same way. Edit: my thinking is a SPACE CREW does NOT go exploring the EARTH for clues to mankind's origins, I believe they are looking for these clues in Outer Space when they stumble across a Big One, The Ampules Themselves. And having said that it is however entirely possible that the Ampule room does in fact turn out to be on earth and that would make you 100% correct !!! Could go either way I guess.

That statement in the plot section is too open ended. It can be interpreted either way. Regardless of where they find clues leading us on this journey it was merely a conjecture regarding the safest place to put something so important.

Still I think it takes place not on earth but inside it. There was a old post-it note written in hieroglyphs that came from the set of alien that was based on a comic book that was written by the ghost of one of the production crew that said the Spacejockey race were avid tunnel makers and not unlike mole people. If you combine that with the known fact that Ridley was fascinated with the chewy caramel center of the chocolates that he sent himself all the time and how he kept making reference to how he hoped the earth had a chewy caramel center it then makes perfect sense that 30 years later he would insist his movie Prometheus takes place entirely in the earth's delicious core.

In retrospect I think it's a good one and respect it...like you said the description is quite vague. Edit: I getcha "Bio", that works for me. Can't wait to see the film and have all these tiny things unravel for us in definitive ways, that for me will be a very exciting EXTRA element to this film and because of this forum all of our experiences in the theater may even be more enhanced and enjoyable because of it.

Weyland would take the CLUEs and build an expedition to ZETA RET based on definitive findings that indicate that our evolution was influenced by someone that came from or left indications of having come from Zeta Ret.

What if by finding on earth they meant like some kind of genetic archeological discovery in man (or woman). Like how they now can trace our ancestors back to a woman in Africa. Over 98% of our genetics has unknown functions. Maybe inside these codes is a map to the planet.

Brilliant idea I love that and it's so scientifically "TODAY"-ish. And ya know what else?, Ridley has used the word "DNA" like 500 times already !!!

I read it off a bumper sticker.

[quote]I never said it was either one. If Ridley says it's a suit it's probably a suit. I still think they would examine it whatever it is. Knowing how he likes crews that usually do what they feel (breaking quarantine, not wearing gloves, and taking their helmets off on alien worlds) I would expect one of them tries the bio helmet skull thingy on for size and walks around the ship with it. [/quote] lol. No kidding....that aspect is decidedly on the "fi" side of Sci-fi.