Topic Unused Deacon concept designs from fire and stone comics
Posted Jan-21-2017 9:41 AM
In the original plans for their fire and stone comic,dark horse comics were going to showcase the Deacons.But for some reasons they did not include them at all.Instead we get to see some simmilar creatures in the comic like the Deacon-sharks,and what happened to the Deacon that bursted from the Engineer at the end of the Prometheus film.The Deacons did appear on the front cover of the AVP Fire and stone comic but before the comic hit the store shelves they were replaced by the xenomorph warriors.Usually before publishing anything 20th century fox reads and checks the products, such as books based on movies.If they don't want or like something they tell the authors to remove or replace it (and they are really strict).I suppose that they didn't want the Deacons to be shown in comics because I presume they had plans for it in the future films and wanted to see how is Ridley going to handle it first, I don't know.
The authors of comics did contact Ridley Scott for the ideas for comic.
Down here are many unused concept designs for the Deacon creatures,featured in Prometheus: The complete fire and stone.
Posted Jan-22-2017 8:44 AM
Love these! I really wish this was explored more. I feel like they pulled back the Deacon concepts because Scott and Fox decided they weren't done with it yet. I fully expect it to make a comeback in a later sequel.
Thanks for sharing these!
Posted Jan-23-2017 10:49 AM
Thats what I was also thinking.It wouldn't make sense for it to be just shown at the last minute of the film.Originally the Deacon was supposed to have longer screentime,leaving the lifeboat,walking towards the hill where he watches Shaw and David leave LV-223 in juggernaut and thats where it releases its screech.Even tho it was never filmed there are concept artworks of it.I'm hoping to see Deacon in future sequels.
Posted Jan-23-2017 2:10 PM
Upvoted....thanks for posting these DN!
Ever since those last pages of PROMETHEUS The Art of the Film inferred, I have secretly wanted to see more of Baby D!
Why waste the Deacon? I believe we will see more of it, sometime in the future.
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger
Posted Jan-24-2017 9:41 AM
Dark Nebula: Thanks! I like how they imagined it to look like.
Chris: I think that it would have been nice if the Deacon would have followed Shaw and David to the ship before they would take off. This could have been a moment when there would be a fight between Shaw and the Deacon with it trying to stop her from getting off the planet or something.
They should have had the Deacon a bit more in the movie to give it a better connection to the Xeno. I don't think that we need to see more of it or LV-223 in the future Prometheus movies even though it wouldn’t make me disappointed if we would.
Posted Jan-25-2017 7:12 AM
Thank you very much.
Apparently,the story of Prometheus: fire and stone was supposed to focus mainly on Deacons as primary aliens.I even heard something about some things in the comic taking place on the engineer homeworld.This was in 2013 I think.
Looks like Fox didn't want to let the cat out of the bag so they told Dark horse comics to change the story,because they had plans for prometheus sequel.And the last minute change was the Deacon that mutated into mountain.
Fox even shut down fan made Alien film called Alien: Identity because the plot was somehow simmilar to Blompkamp's Alien 5.
Posted Mar-14-2017 2:25 AM
i think the fact that it would place much of the fate of the deacon post Prometheus into the public eye and quite rightly, fox and ridley probably want to be the ones to revisit the deacon. the factit has been removed tells me that we will be going back to lv223
Posted Mar-15-2017 11:53 PM
That David will be re-creating the Deacon as a basis for his experiments ;)
How can David do this?
simple... The Deacon was the Result of one of TWO things.
1) Holloways Mutated Sperm.... so David would need Shaw or another Female, and a Male to then infect the Male and get the Sperm to a Female..... but he only has Shaw
But can we rule out any other Humanoids they contact?
2) If the infection was via Parasitic Nano-Worms (Eyeworm) and Holloway was just a vessel to pass these into Shaw... like a Sexually Transmitted Disease.
If this was how Shaw go pregnant with the Trilobite, then David would be able to Replicate this event with ease.
Alien Covenant leaves a lot of Questions from Davids Lab/Workshop i plan to make a Topic on this... and we have to ask... what Source and Basis does David have to experiment?
No Engineers, No Life on Paradise then all David has is the Black Goo and Shaw.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Mar-16-2017 10:05 AM
I suppose while developing ideas for prometheus sequel Deacon was supposed to return,and lots of unused ideas recreated for it (some of which we might see now in Alien covenant).
For example, Carlos Huante's idea was that after Fifield gets infected with the Black goo a white pale creature with skinny arms and legs and bulbous head later erupts from him (Beluga head or baby head whatever you want to call it).
(storyboard of the beluga head)
This idea was supposedly recreated in Alien covenant for the Neomorph life cycle because we see from the trailer that these small black like pods release airborne black goo that enters a host's body through respiratory passages which causes a Neomorph to grow inside and later erupt from the host's body.
Looks like dark horse comics wanted to use that idea for their comic but with the deacons since they were supposed to be primary adversaries, but Fox told them to change the story because they had plans for the prometheus sequel.
As you can see in the last 6 black and white pages on this topic, cat steps on the black goo and later deacon erupts from the cat.
The 4chan leak mentioned that Deacon does not appear in Alien covenant,however the set visit report said that theres a Deacon in David's lab among other experiments.Could it be human spawned Deacon?If yes,how did David made it?Does Shaw has anything to do with it?
Posted Mar-21-2017 1:46 AM
Indeed looking at those un-used Fire and Stone shots, it appears the Urn leaks and Cat must have maybe licked some of it? It also appears to have walked in it but seems to had suffered no kinds of external effects... like Fifield (Prometheus) and the Hammerpedes so maybe its the amount of Volume of Black Goo compared to size/mass of infected Organism that determines the level of infection and mutation.
The Cat seems to look fine until something related to the Deacon Bursts out of it..... well 3 of them... Now Holloway had consumed a Small amount and he showed no Signs of Infection until latter (there was the Eye Worm) but after when he fell ill was when he started to shows serve signs of transforming and now some unused props show that his body had produced multiple Eye Worms.
Which order this was supposed to happen looks like Worms first, unless these are TWO Alternative Concept designs and they went for the 2nd.
Shaw however was the only one to Birth a Deacon....
I did have a theory many years ago, which i shared on here that could explain the Eyeworm and this was the Black Goo contained Nano-Worms well worm-like Parasites and it was these that transferred to Shaw's Womb to either Infect one of her Eggs or to just use her Womb to Gestate, so it was not infected Holloway Sperm. He was just the means to transmit the Parasite to Shaw like a Sexually Transmited Disease.
If this Theory is Correct then it would give a much easier route for David to Re-create the Event as he would not need a Male Humanoid.... He would just need to get the Black Goo or at least the same component he used in Prometheus into Shaws Womb.
Which brings me back to the Cat... i know some Concept did show something would burst from Fifield.... but we have not seen this on screen... Now Fire and Stone un-used scene with the Cat makes us wonder how did this Cat give birth to 3 Deacon like Aliens?
Maybe this Cat was Female? And so had reproductive Eggs or just a Womb that the Deacon needed to be created?
Maybe this is why those Beings on Paradise had Females (i made a Female Topic a while back) and maybe the Disaster was to wipe out all Females and Take the Males out too... as not only can these beings then Procreate but they could also produce Deacons...
I feel the Deacon Mural was either to represent how they obtain the Deacon and maybe be the reveal for why Mankind was created... and why the Last Engineer seemed interested in Shaw... Think Genesis 6:4 when the Sons of God (Angels) came onto the Daughters of Man (Females). otherwise the Mural is just to worship how Engineers could give birth when this was something they lost or was taken away in the past (Extermination of the Females).
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Mar-21-2017 1:58 AM
It will be interesting to see how many things we see in Alien Covenant, there could be many experiments but seems we only actually See TWO Kinds of Xeno related Monsters that are alive and Terrorizing those in this movie... Which funny enough the First Mention of TWO Monster Types related but different to the 1979 Xenomorph of which David plays a role in the ONE and also Shaw Technically does not die, plays Small Role but a IMPORTANT one in regards to how these or at least ONE comes to be.
The First Mention anywhere of this... was via the Source i had over 2 years ago.. which i put down on here 2 years plus ago. ;)
This Source did say that in order to Re-Create it (i assumed either Deacon or Xenomorph) all you needed was the Tools and Knowledge and David has both... and he wishes to play God and Create Life Himself.
Now those Set Reports claim to had seen a DEACON we cant be sure how much of those creatures designs will appear in the movie in Davids Workshop and how many are Production Designs that go un-used.
They did refer to it as like a Raptor... so i would assume they was on about the Neomorph that indeed seems has a lot of Deacon Traits..
A thing to remember is Where is the Starting Point for David?
The only Things anywhere near close to a Xenomorph in Prometheus was the Trillobite/Deacon which could indeed be a event that could be RE-CREATED especially if the Event was via a Parasite that transferred from Holloway to Shaw and not Hybrid Sperm.
The only other Xeno related Organism from Prometheus was the Hammerpedes, which had a bit of a Face Hugger look and Feel to them and if these are Hybrids of Worms and these Worms are similar to Worms on Earth.... Then WORMS are Egg Layers. This would give a whole good reason for the Hammerpede going down into Milburns Mouth....
One of my ideas for my aborted Re-write of Prometheus as far as changed things was indeed TWO ideas to highlight the Hammerpedes connection to the Xeno Life Cycle... One was we would see Hammerpede Eggs that look like Mini Xeno ones... the other was some evidence of Milburn having a Chest Buster type event.
The Special Report the other week where they shot the Scene of Oram (Crudup) being in the Davids Workshop and then the Face Hug Scene... did say that David told him he was experimenting with the Aliens/Life forms encountered in Prometheus.
The only ones encountered really are the Hammerpede and Trillobite (we have to assume David never got to see or be aware of the Deacon).
so it has to be ONE of these means that Starts as Basis for Davids Experiments.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Jul-19-2017 5:28 PM
With the story in Alien: covenant sequel focusing more on the xenomorphs and their evolution looks like the chances of the deacon returning are slim (unless fox and Ridley listen to never satisfied and butthurt fans, you never know).
At the end of AC I first thought that David was returning to LV-223 where he would continue experimenting.
We shall see.
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