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MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 7:46 PM
( Disclaimer: Any and all in this Essay is the Product of Someone else's Writings, I am taking the pleasure of copying and pasting it upon here as I feel it contains desirable and relevant information that we all as fans would want to read up on but would not nessesarily be able to find to readily. Please enjoy as I did as it offers many insights into the Derilicts possible function and origins!) :- ) The Genius Of The Derilict Giger also provides for a view of the derelict in what appears to be its "alive" state Several articles have appeared which tried to explain the derelict, although none is considered canon and none manages to explain what exactly the derelict is. In addition, with the exception of the second Alien film (in which only a very brief appearance of the derelict is made, which initiates another infection), none of the subsequent films about Alien referenced the derelict again, so its existence remains a mystery. Wikipedia has some interesting information on the (supposed) species which pilots the derelict although little or nothing of substance is known about it. Some interesting facts can be extracted from the book "Giger's Alien". For example: 1.It is clear that the derelict was intended as a sort of an organic bio-ship. This is supported by the fact that the pilot of the derelict is fused to his cockpit chair, using bio-mechanical means and the fact that the interior of the ship consists of a conglomeration of bone-like organic elements. Hence,the entire derelict and the pilot are one single entity. This is of course in accord with Giger's general bio-mechanical style. Derelict interior with Kane (John Hurt) on his way to the egg chamber,as it was shown in the movie Alien. 2.The derelict's right "arm", displays two protrusions, which in more detailed pictures in the book,appear to be either weapons or thrusters of some sort. 3.The original paintings also show two additional protrusions, one on the left arm and one on the right arm, near the back side of the derelict, which also appear to be thrusters of some sort. Such thrusters could conceivably be used for rotational movement. 4.The orientation of the pilot in the cockpit is not clear (he could be facing forward or backwards relative to the derelict "arms"), hence the derelict's orientation is also not clear, although it is reasonable to assume that if the protrusion on the right arm is a weapon, the orientation must be such that the ship travels with its "arms" extending forward. This is also supported by the fact that the derelict displays three vaginal portals/entrances on its bottom "forward" side, as well as five additional ones at the front of the left "arm". 5.The device on top of the pilot appears to be either a "telescopic device" or some other scientific device related to the ship's controls. It is reasonable to assume that it may be either a telescope or spectroscope (or both), since it appears to be almost in contact with the pilot's eyes. 6.The pilot's chair allows the pilot a full 360° panoramic view of the space above the derelict, using the "telescopic" device. This is in agreement with the existence of the circular dome showing. In view it is reasonable to assume that the material of the dome is transparent to light, allowing the pilot a full view of the space outside. 7.The three vaginal entrances lead directly to the cockpit and are always open, which implies that the derelict is not sealed against space vacuum. This is also supported by the fact that the pilot is directly connected to what seems a life support "breathing" tube, which is attached to his nose. The previous lends support to the fact that the derelict can survive in a wide range of environments. 8.Since the pilot's fossilized chest shows a sign of "chest-bursting", it follows that the pilot has fallen victim of his own cargo. The question is,what was this cargo doing there in the first place. 9.Detailed paintings by Giger and replicas shown in the book,indicate a meticulous placement and positioning of the eggs in the cargo bay area.In particular, the eggs are shown having been arranged in neat rows and columns next to what appear to be turrets or division barriers. These division barriers seem to be positioned directly below a strange wall mechanism which either supports the eggs or generates them: Giger also provides for a view of the derelict in what appears to be its "alive" state: Several articles have appeared which tried to explain the derelict, although none is considered canon and none manages to explain what exactly the derelict is. In addition, with the exception of the second Alien film (in which only a very brief appearance of the derelict is made, which initiates another infection), none of the subsequent films about Alien referenced the derelict again, so its existence remains a mystery. Wikipedia has some interesting information on the (supposed) species which pilots the derelict, although little or nothing of substance is known about it. Conclusions It is hard to try to psychoanalyze Giger's work, lest one desires to end up in the loony bin. Nevertheless, the inquiring mind can gain a unique perspective of the horror that lurks in his mind via his work, using careful and judicious observations. Although the above analysis is nothing but a bunch of materialized inferences and hypotheses based on a fictional object, the derelict, for me, remains one of the most horrifying things I have ever seen in my life. It's like it was custom made to scare the living daylights out of me. It is interesting to note that one of the original paintings of the derelict was stolen before 1986-87 prior to an exhibition, while after the movie premiered, religious zealots set fire to the model of the pilot, believing it to be the work of the devil. Most people who have seen the movie Alien find the xenomorph itself pretty disturbing,but there is something totally and undeniably horrifying about the derelict itself. The details shown in the sketches of the book "Giger's Alien" imply that its design and function are related to something totally and unimaginably malignant by any human standard of the definition of "malignancy". Perhaps "malignancy" is not even the right word here. The derelict goes beyond that. It encompasses an entire system of systematic obliteration of life which goes beyond any human definition of evil. There is a certain mysterious evil repulsiveness about it, which my mind fails to grasp due to its immensity,but at the same time there is also a certain horrifying attraction for its intended purpose, which no doubt stems from our innocent curiosity as a species. The derelict looks (and "feels") so inconceivably sinister, that it is perfectly conceivable that its canon behavior as depicted in the first Alien movie (sitting supposedly "dead" on Acheron for example) may itself have been a pretense, hence its eventual disappearance from all subsequent Alien movies. Particularly disturbing is the fact that the design for the derelict references accurately several advanced scientific ideas, from spectroscopy, optics and astronomy, to strategic weapon design, hydraulics, jet-propulsion, advanced biological warfare and possibly relativity,all of which seem to have been (quietly) taken into account for this suspiciously sinister design, with the thousands of included details. Giger is an architect and designer and above all, an artist. He isn't a Ph.D. physicist. I mean, what the...? I think it is good that this object exists only in our fantasies. Wait: Let me rephrase that: I think it is good that this object is dead, even in our fantasies: Personally I would find it extremely disturbing to share the universe with this object/being/thing, whatever the heck it is. Generally speaking, that's sort of a characteristic trait of Giger's bio-mechanical style: I don't think there are many (intelligent) people who would like to see Giger's worlds being realized, because if such was the case, they would be in a heck of a lot of trouble. Case and point: The derelict. That's the genius of Giger: Being able to generate this kind of feeling and imagery with his work. Notes 1.Ridley Scott is preparing an Alien prequel as of this writing, with wiki mentioning that he "had intended" to contact Giger for a possible artistic collaboration. The author contacted Leslie Barany, Giger's artistic agent and asked him if Giger has been contacted at all for a collaboration, but Barany did not respond. That's of course hardly surprising, since Giger himself has declared in an interview that his "biomechanical" days are over and he now paints different subjects (Barany is a relatively recent agent of Giger and this author suspects that he doesn't know the full story behind these designs). So Scott figured out that either Giger can't be bothered or the monetary compensation for him to "bother" was way too high for him, so he naturally chose the easiest way out: Expand on Giger's original designs (to which he has the rights via 20-th Century Fox from Alien) using different (new) artists. If the actual original designs of the derelict are directly or indirectly referenced however (as per the leaked script with the older "gods" and "engineers"), this automatically puts Giger's name in the movie credits. But without any new Giger designs, the movie is probably destined for doom. Any project which hopes to "expand" on Giger designs by other artists is at best a noble exercise in creative futility. On the other hand, recent rumors have Giger working on this movie. If Giger's working on Prometheus then one can probably rest assured that the movie is going to be good. Otherwise, who knows? 2.There have been numerous attempts at trying to picture the pilot in its "alive" state, called in some sources, the race of the Space-Jockeys or the Mala'kak, which the reader can see by searching the net. In the author's opinion the most interesting (and admittedly most horrifying) design of an alive pilot is the one found in the comic books of the Alien franchise, shown on, below. It follows that the pilot has fallen victim of his own cargo.The question is, what was this cargo doing there in the first place.
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DJ Kotto

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 7:51 PM
The war and peace of posts

Otto

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 7:55 PM
WOW! Winner winner chicken Dinner...

sukkal

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:00 PM
Give that man a PhD.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:03 PM
Heh! lol Guys!! In all honesty it is some background material I came across while scrolling the inetrnet. It is not my writings, they are someone elses. I just figuyered it gave interestingbackground insights into the origins, potential or otherwise, of the alien "Derilict"

DJ Kotto

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:09 PM
Irbese, it's not hate, it's pure jealousy. You by far and away have the best member photo

Switz Mamba

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:15 PM
Great Post,the one thing I get out of Giger's work is that his is wacko - so in that case we will never really understand whats up because if you understand crazy you probably are,but its cool to draw conclusions [url=http://www.instablogsimages.com/1/2011/12/06/hr_giger_alien_car_icpfu.jpg][img]http://www.instablogsimages.com/1/2011/12/06/hr_giger_alien_car_icpfu.jpg[/img][/url]

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:31 PM
Heh, lol DJ Kotto! Absolutely! heh! heh! :- ) Thanks for that Switz. I pride myself in finding the best insughts of information and this carries a lot of "rich" stuff to ruminate over after you have read it! Glad and very pleased you approve as I felt satisfied when reading-up on what it had to offer so I wanted to convey my interest with others too! :- ) Keep chatting! :- )

MVMNT

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:32 PM
[url=http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/Derelict.html]Link to the original source[/url]

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:33 PM
It is War and Peace isn't it! heh! DJ Kotto lol! :- ) The Mount Everest of posts!!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:46 PM
I know there is a link to the original source MVMNT, I wanted to paste it and make a thread out of it myself. There is always someone like you that has to come along out of the wood-work and try and steal someones thunder isn't there. You have to spoil it don't you. I was not claiming the text to be my own, far from it. However there was no need to post the link as if to suggest that I got it from other means and now you are trying to verify to others that it is not mine or something that this link is the original and don't read what I posted from it. It's just annoying. Can't you just take part in the chat without taking pleasure in trying to take the fun out of someones efforts and make them out to be bad all the time. I'd like the opportunity to co-operate with you, if you'll allow it...

TheEgg

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:01 PM
When DJ Kotto tells you to get out of the room, HEED THE WARNING.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:03 PM
I do like his ID photo. It looks great!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:05 PM
I'm just here to talk upon this thread about my interest in The Derilct and that of its origins...

Katie

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:17 PM
When was this article written?

donye_west

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:10 PM
The first note states the prequel was being written at the time of writing - several years back I would assume, Katie.

FREEZE!

Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:11 PM
thanks for posting this, I've read this material before but it's good to be refreshed on the details!
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enceladus_is_alive

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:49 PM
I got outside tonight and viewed both the moon and venus in cresents - sort of like the derelict's shape. Its always nice to get away from the computer!

Cyberdeath

MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 11:46 PM
what's the matter i.r.b.e.s.e.? Did you run out of room to continue?

Chairman Meows

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 1:13 AM
I guess this is going to be a dumb question but wasn't Giger just the designer for the look of the ship/alien etc on an artistic point of view..... not actually involved with the story/script at all? or did he have some say?

MVMNT

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 3:17 AM
Irbese, no malice intended... however blunt my post at 1am might have seemed, apologies if you thought that was the case... I think you took it a little bit to heart, however. I'm not denying that you did bring this article to the attention of more people, so props for that. There was also a number of images that bore reference to the piece you missed out, that I thought would help your post. The formatting of that original page is nasty anyway. Now, as you and I both wish can we all just get along?

Ender

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 3:50 AM
Wow great read - thanks IRBESE. I am particularly freaked by the fact that the ship is open to the vacuum of space..... there is something uncomfortably alien about that fact. I get the feeling that we're not going to get any important answers about the Derelict in the movie though. Im going to be a bit of a dic here and interject my theory how the ship works accompanied with a picture :-) [img]http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/2npb8ao6tt5gzsif9q.jpg[/img]

NoXWord

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 5:08 AM
Yes, Ender, the famous Eggs Derelict scrambler! BTW, why paste the same portion of text twice?
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-24-2012 5:16 AM
Very well written..... And boy some body who can write longer essays than me, only in a fassion that people can read lol... I think the Derelict has been redesigned slightly so as to tone it down as Ridley thought it was more Bio than Mechanical. Giger is credited in the credits for inspiration by him and O'bannon, so while these means they may have had no part in the movie Ridley has used elements of their designs and ideas from past projects.

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gameover man

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 8:08 AM
@switzmamba...so, what are we going to do about this? ;)

Ender

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 8:51 AM
WTF? I'm seeing double A battle to the death to see who keeps the Avatar 5 quatloos on Gameover!!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 9:16 AM
O.k. MVMNT, I certain you are a sincere and meaningful individual. I am glad you are interested in this thread as i am glad of many pleasant comments I have recieved upon this. Very good of you all to do that. Its good of you. Thank you kindly, o.k. Many Regards to you all, ( IRBESE ) ! :- )

azalard

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 11:49 AM
The derelict, or "Juggernaut," has to be the oddest looking space craft I have ever seen. Kudos to Giger for originality, but I do agree with Switz. That man's art betrays his inner psychosis. [img]http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/figs/derelict5.jpg[/img]

Otto

MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 12:36 PM
Def. thanks to the OP and to MVMNT, as I wanted to see the photos that the captions were for in the OP...

Kane77

MemberOvomorphMay-25-2012 1:19 PM
..Prrromeeeeeeetheusssss..arrrrrreeeeee uuuuu ssssssseeiiiiing thhhhhissssssss?.. ..cuuuuuuuut itttttttt oooooff..cuuuuuuut it ooooooooofff.. * original warning signal of Juggernaut finally decoded
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