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colonial marines movie?

Pulserifle187, we will be releasing a story, penned by myself, to accompany the new AVP site that Chris and I are currently working on. The story and the site will feature Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines!

New Audi commercial:Old Spock V.S New Spock

I saw this yesterday and would've posted it myself had I not been so busy posting news. It is a damn funny video for sure, and shows that despite his age Leonard Nimoy is as cheeky and lively as ever.

I would love to see the outtakes from this video tbh, I bet theres at least 15 minutes worth with these two clowns.

Scified Themed Maps on Halo 4

And yet another one called "UNSC Scified", which is another remake, this time of Unreal Tournaments DM-Hyperblast...

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Scified Themed Maps on Halo 4

And here's another called "Scified Bridge", which is itself a remake of Unreal Tournament 3's VCTF-Suspense...

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Promotional Scified Profile Banners!

And in addition to Chris' efforts he are some of my creations, free for anybody to download and use as their Scified Profile Banner as per Chris' instructions above. Again, thanks for supporting these films, games and the Scified Network.

I too will update this post with new custom profile banner images for you guys as and when new sci fi movies, games etc are released, or upon PM request...

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question for FOX

Well Claudius we are humbled that you think this forum sub-site has been developed by FOX, but indeed Nostromo is correct, the Scified team are mere fans, although don't let that fool you. Our network site, Scified.com, and its component forum sub-sites, such as this one, PacificRim-Movie.net, Godzilla-Movies.com and RoboCopMovie.net are fastly becoming the number one place to go for all your science fiction needs and wants. And best of all, you're all already members, as some of you already know - if you have an account at this or any one of sites, you can log in to any of our other sites with the same account. Check Scified.com for a full list of all our sites (scroll down the right side panel).

But as for your request Claudius I have opened a thread over at Scified in which members can cast their vote for an Avatar forum, here is a link...


If the response is favorable keep an eye on Scified.com for future updates.

And remember Scified.com is your new science fiction themed home, for news, discussions that don't fall in with the topic of the forum sub-site your on, general discussions or even discussions completely unrelated to science fiction, come to Scified.com - you already have an account and we are adding new features regularly.

Michael Bishop Weyland Debate Solved?

@ Hal9000, no mix up with the names, many refer to the character as Michael Bishop, Michael Weyland, or Michael Bishop Weyland, and very rarely by the name he is given in the credits - Bishop II.

The problem with IMDB's quotes as mentioned in the OP is that there are as many reasons to claim him human as there are to claim him a synthetic.
The point of the OP is to add another, more intriguing reason to the mix to show he was in fact a synthetic - which is simply that cannot be a Weyland, because the family tree died on LV-223 in 2093.

@ Kalhava, LOL, unfortunately there is no mention of any siblings on the corporate timeline on Weylandindustries.com (which mentions his parents).

@ DenzelTH - according ton the David8 viral videos all Davids do apparently all look the same, or at least that is the the inferrence.

Aliens: Colonial Marines - just got done giving it a try...

We are not locking this thread because any rules have been broken, tho tbh are the spoilers really necessary gigerfan.

We have opened a thread in the video game section of Scified, in which we would like those that have played the game to post their opinions, so we can gauge your opinion as a community, here is the link (remember if your a member here, you are a member on Scified and all our other forums)...

Help Needed - Death Scenes For A Screenplay

Ironically a treatment for an AVP prequel is 99% complete but has since been abandoned, due to the fans actually being more interested in a possible reboot, as per our FB Page, where fans are choosing from 3 possible scenarios.

Any suitable ideas from the prequel treatment will be transferred into a reboot treatment, but the reboot treatment will be an all new story which will be unveiled on our new, forthcoming AVP site, of which will also have links to our soon to be updated Predators Site and a whole new Alien Site.

But shush, moms the word.

alien deleted scenethat changed the xeno story

If you are speaking of the theory that the eggs in the derelict Juggernauts cargo hold were once the Engineer crew, there is a glaringly obvious problem with that idea...

If you watch Alien you will see that the Alien eggs are grouped together in the "troughs" of the chamber. Now imagine that area filled with Engineers in hypersleep pods as in Prometheus. Basically you would fit less sleeping engineers per trough than you would eggs.
Of course one could argue that the crew of Engineers may have been elsewhere on the ship before being taken to the chamber and egg morphed. A possibility, until you look at the numbers. The crew of the Juggernaut would have had to have been in the thousands, possibly millions, to be egg-morphed into the vast number of eggs that Kane saw in the chamber, and the derelict Juggernaut just simply wasn't big enough.

The Queen is a good idea, O'Bannon liked it, Giger likes it and Ridley Scott likes it. It allows the Alien to produce hundreds, if not thousands of eggs in a relatively short period time, and if accept the egg morphing method in addition to the queen idea, as mentioned in my last post (Brett - Egg - Royal Facehugger + Dallas = Queen - lots of eggs) then you have a truly perfect organism and a deadly and versatile killing machine.

alien deleted scenethat changed the xeno story

Whether Ridley Scott likes it or not all the Alien movies are canon to each other, and because Prometheus is set in the same universe, it too is canon (we wont get into AVP this time, even tho the first movie made reference to both Weyland Industries and Weyland Corporation). Yes Ridley may have made the first movie but that is all.

But regards this age old argument of Egg Morphing vs Queen reproduction method (of which a search would have brought up many, many results), and as I myself have argued many times. They are both canon and interchangeable...

In other words - Brett WAS being turned into an egg in the deleted scene. But why couldn't he have been turning into an egg incubating a Royal Facehugger (Alien 3 Assembly Cut), which would have used Dallas as a host to a Queen.
If Ripley had been subdued and not blown the Nostromo to kingdom come it would have returned home a space faring hive, with a Queen and a multitude of eggs.

P.S. Directors/Extended Cuts are more canon than the theatrical release as they where as James Cameron put it regards Aliens "The ride you were intended to take".

advice needed. im wanting to expand my collection of sci -fi art books.

Sorry Pulserifle, as good an idea as this thread is, it belongs HERE.

I have unstickied the thread, and am asking that you remake the thread to the above linked section on www.Scified.com.

Once your thread has been moved to Scified I will resticky and feature your thread to ensure it gets the attention it deserves.

Two Shaws?

Javablue

There are not two Shaw's in Prometheus, just the one. Why, how would there be another. A synthetic like David - why would Weyland make a Synthetic of Shaw, a twin sister - that was never mentioned in the entire movie.

The reason for the missing ring is simply a continuity error, and nothing more, which most likely occured due to pressing deadlines - the lifepod scene was one of the last scenes shot.

Ridley Scotts films are usally riddled with continuity errors like this. The irony is if it was another director members of this site would burn the director for blasphemy, but because its Ridley they let him off - bottom line Ridley is no genius and is definetly no Sci Fi god. James Cameron has made more Sci Fi movies than Ridley, his last of which is the no 1 grossing film ever.

Peeps need to stop over analysing to the point of ridicule, but they also need to stop believing the sun shines out of Ridleys rear, He's a good director, nothing more.

...cue the backlash...

High res pic of Shaw shining a torch up at the Head anyone?

No need to gulp ZR, Galaxy is one of our affiliates and we are good friends with the admin Darkness from over there.

Two Shaws?

@ Javablue...

The movie is riddled with continuity errors, especially in the very same scene you mention...

- One second Shaw is preparing herself, holding an axe, in the next instance the axe is gone.

- The Engineer storms the life pod unscathed and despite receiving no damage from Shaw or the Trilobite has half his face mysteriously burnt.

What do expect from a film that went through so many changes, most of them the wrong ones, when in post production.

After some thought I have decided to reverse my opinion regarding eggs transform

Planet X was probably very similar to Earth, and possibly may even have had human beings, if the engineers had seeded human life there as they did on Earth using the method shown at the start of Prometheus.

Earth was meant as the next planet to be urn'ed after X, as shown in the Orerry scene in Prometheus, but the outbreak saved our skin.

After some thought I have decided to reverse my opinion regarding eggs transform

Well nostromo001, here is the pickle, because your position as stated above suggest's that you originally thought the eggs in the LV-426 Juggernauts silo were originally placed there from a Queen born from the dead pilot, yet now it seems you side with the idea that the eggs were originally the engineer crew. Yet there is a third option, one of which I personally thinks makes the most sense - I'll summarise as best I can...

Circa 2000 years ago
- Juggernaut leaves LV-223, deploys urns on planet "X"
- Urns infest planet, Xenomorph infestation results
- All suitable hosts extinguished, only Queens and eggs remain
- Fleet of Juggernauts arrive collect all the eggs
- One of these Juggernauts flies through the ZIIR system
- Juggernaut receives distress beacon from LV-223 (the outbreak)
- Pilot leaves chair to investigate orerry display of beacon
- Sensing a host, egg opens, Facehugger escapes, spits acid at floor panel
- Pilot smells burning, sees Facehugger approaching
- Pilot, back in seat, hurries the suit to close, but...
- Facehugger attaches to pilots face before mask can close
- The Pilot unconcious the Juggernaut drifts toward LV-426
- Juggernaut crashes, shortly after Pilot awakes
- The FH still on his face, inside the mask, the Pilot activates the warning beacon
- Pilot also opens a door into the Fin shaped arm of the Vessel
- Pilot born Chestburster emerges, sees open door...
- Chestburster heads towards door and it shuts.

And how this all fits in with the rest.

2000 years later
- 2093, Prometheus discovers the bio-weapon Urns on LV-223
- 2122, Nostromo arrives at Thedus, Ash replaces Scince Officer
- En-route back to Earth Nostromo is redirectd to LV-426
- Kane, Dallas and Lambert enter the Juggernaut from the vaginal entrances
- Kane lowered down the hole falls foul to one of the eggs
- Ash, under special order 937 attempts to secure a specimen
- All crew dead, Ripley discovers Brett being "morphed" into an egg beside Dallas
- Ripley is unaware that Brett will become an egg incubating a Royal Facehugger (see Alien 3) to which Dallas will become the host, thus siring a Queen.
- Ripley destroys the Nostromo
- 2159, Hadleys Hope colony established on LV-426, an initial crew of 158, composed of approx 70 families
- 2177, Amanda Ripley Mclaren dies of cancer
- 2179, Ellen Ripley discovered aboard the Narcissus
- After Ripleys hearing the co-ordinates of the Juggernaut are sent to the colony
- The Jordens investigate the hammerhead arm, beginning another infestation
- One week later contact with the colony is lost
- Ripley, Burke and the USCM under Lt. Gorman are dispatched
- 2 weeks later Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop head back to Earth
- Somehow (???), two eggs are aboard the Sulaco, EEV deployed to Fury 161
- Hicks and Newt die in the crash, Ripley is host to a Queen embryo from a Royal Facehugger, later found by prisoner Murphy.
- Receiving Ripleys medical scan a W-Y vessel is dispatched.
- Ripley commits suicide, her blood is taken, Morse placed in custody, Fury 161 shut down.
- 2381, the USM successfully clone Ripley twice (7 and 8. ) removing the Queen from her chest.
- Queen specimen 7 (tainted) kept aboard the Auriga
- Queen specimen 8 (perfect) sent to Earth
- Crew of Betty and Ripley 8 survive Auriga infestation, land on Earth.

Time Travel possibility

Remember peeps that despite everyones best attempts to apply hard theoretical science to this science fiction franchise that you are all forgetting one important thing...

Time Dilation does not exist in the Alien/Prometheus universe

...as evidenced by Aliens:

2179 - Ellen Ripley, upon learning that her daughter Amanda Ripley-McLaren had died 2 years previous cries saying "I promised her I would be home in time for birthday...her 11th birthday."

This is rumor control, here are the facts...

Amanda Ripley-McLaren died 2177 aged 66, in 2122 (when Alien is set) she would have been 11.
The crew of the Nostromo were awoken as they passed through/near the Zeta II Reticuli star system (39 light years from earth), they stated that they were half way home to Earth - meaning their previous destination, Thedus Mining Colony (where Ash replaced their science officer), would be approximately 78-80 light years from Earth.

Therefore the crew of the Nostromo would have travelled a return journey of 156-160 light years (if notawoken in the ZIIR system) at, an unknown, FTL speed, which when taking into account the effects of time dilation, would make it impossible for Ripley to return home before her daughters 11th birthday (whichever way you look at it).

Weyland Corporation's logo/inspiration may have featured early on in Blade Runn

I remember when we first saw images of the Weyland Corp logo from set pictures of Prometheus and I mistakenly thought it was the Yutani Corporation logo - My thinking was that the three triangles were the same/similar as those used in the Weyland-Yutani logo used from Aliens onwards to symbolise the Y of Yutani, but hey, can't win 'em all.

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So we have The Prometheus Blu-Ray's easter egg inferring Weyland knew Tyrell and now Hypernovas well spotted Weyland Corporation logo in Bladerunner, while not forgetting that the Nostromo's Captain Dallas "Allegedly" worked for the Tyrell Corporation in in 2116 aboard the USCS Shussett (see below).

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I wonder what other little clues there are out there that link the two universes?

Prometheus - The Snorkelbottom Cut

@ ZZ - We are all entitled to our opinions!

@ Cupantor - On the contrary, these changes weren't suggested for the film to make more sense, the film makes sense enough as it is. But the narrative structure and plausibility of the characters is questionable at best in the film.


One of the major points that bothers me, as highlighted Ruhaniya's post, and the main driving point behind the changes I suggest, is that the team never spend any decent amount of time in the structure. In fact the story yo-yo's back and forth between the structure and the Prometheus, in such a lame way that scenes on the Prometheus are use to start an act, with scenes in/around the structure used to end and act, as such...

Act 1 - Landing to end of first expedition
Act 2 - Experiments to Holloways death
Act 3 - Shaws birth to meeting the Engineer
Act 4 - Shaw vs Engineer to leaving for Paradise.

Of all the changes I suggested, while some were for more drama, threat and/or suspense the main change I would have liked to see is the team staying inside the structure when the storm hit. Having traveled 40 light years to meet their maker and uncover the truths of human evolution would they really high-tail it back to the Prometheus at the first opportunity - I don't think they would.
It would have made for a better movie as we would have seen more of the mysteries hidden inside. Nevermind the fact that the setting of the structure is much darker and threatening, and thus more suitable for a sci-fi horror movie than a well lit, gleaming spaceship.

Snorkelbottoms Scientific Theory

Hypernova, thank you for your in depth explanation of the accretion theory for those unfamiliar with it, I however am very familiar with it and the theory upon which it based - the Nebula hypothesis. Please note however that the explanations in this thread are in english not (what I call) sciencese (kinda like legalese more more condenscending).

However I think maybe you misunderstand the meaning I tried to convey in the phrases, or maybe I didn't explain it clear enough. Although I state that mercury is a Stage 1 planet, I do not infer that it is the first planet that has been ejected from the planet, in reality I state that it is in fact the last to be ejected from the sun.
What I was trying to explain in terms of the planets is thus...

1. A star ejects enough material which in turn forms a small celestial body with a very thin atmosphere due to the gases escaping through its crust(Mercury).
2. Said planet continues this process as it repeatedly orbits the sun while slowly migrating away. Over time the build of gases becomes so thick as to create, in essence a primordial yet toxic planet (Venus).
3. The balance of the gases settle with a rich oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen atmosphere, liquid water forms and the conditions for life are set (Earth).
4. In time the labor of supporting life on said world takes its toll (deforestation, build up greenhouse gases, pollution etc.) and the planet becomes a dried up desert with no ozone layer (Mars).
5. (This part is guesswork at best, and is currently being looked into) Due to planets in ability to vent its inner heat due to the nature of its surface sediment (sand) the build of heat and gases causes an explosion and all solid and liquid matter is thrown out into space - destined to become asteroids, comets, meteors, ring matter or possibly even moons. The gas of the planet having less mass is unable to reach and though expands beyond its original reach is still retained by the planets own gravity.
6. A gas giant (Jupiter, Saturn), in which the layer(s) of gas are slowly drawn towards the planets core before being condensed to form liquids, which themselves freeze creating ice giants (Uranus, Neptune) while continuing to be condensed.
7. This condensing continues until all the planets matter is condensed to form a solid surface, by which point the planet has drifted into the Kuiper belt (pluto and other KBO's).

Again, Hypernova, sorry if that was not clear

the passing of time

@Blandcorp,

I doubt that in the short space of 7 minutes you have re-read both mine and your own posts in this thread and analysed the scenario (singular) explained by myself and Mr Freeman and my question, in relation to your scenario based upon your misunderstanding of the former scenario, from which your answer derived, and thus fails to answer the question that was posed in conjunction to the former scenario.

As per your stubborn reluctance to acknowledge said misunderstanding and actually peruse suggested posts/link, I have but one response...

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the passing of time

@ Blandcorp,

May I suggest you actually re-read my posts and re-watch Morgan Freeman's explanation, as they are the same, I merely reworded his mission spec to be more technically specific.
I then I suggest that you re-read your responses and your proposed answer, as you will find that your answer, of which you adhere to does not answer the question that was, repeatedly posed, but instead answers a scenario that you yourself have posted while misunderstanding the question that was put to you.

the passing of time

@ Blandcorp,

As mentioned in my last post I think you have misunderstood the question, in both of its phrasings (mine and Morgan Freemans), therefore it is you whom is not understanding what I and Mr Freeman are saying, not vice versa...


The question, one more time, as mentioned in most of posts in this thread...


A Ship travels, from Earth, for a period (experienced by the crew) of 10 years, a distance of 10 light years, at the speed of light, at the end of this mission they are back at earth (a round trip), yet 1000 years has passed on Earth instead of the 10 the crew experienced.
The accompanying question was, at what speed is the ship travelling, the speed of light as experienced by the crew or 1/100th the speed of light as experience by spectators on Earth.

Your answer mistook a journey of 10 light years there and back, at the same speed, but yet your answer was 20 years was experienced on Earth, less for the crew.

You have answered a question that was not asked.

the passing of time

@ Blandcorp,

your answer as adamantly as you stick to it is not the answer to the question asked as highlighted in my last post, if english is not your first language and the misunderstood both phrasings of the question then simple admittance is understandable and tbh expected.

To answer you question within the confines of the question that was asked...

The spaceship travels from Earth,for 10 years, (as per the crews perspective) at the speed of light, in a big circle measuring 10 light years, and at the end of the this allocated time and distance returns from whence it started.

According to time dilation 1000 years has passed on Earth. this you argued was wrong, and you stated 20 years (misunderstandingly, repeatedly and ignoring time dilation).

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