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The thing with the A.I.

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Tiwaz

MemberChestbursterApr-10-2017 4:18 PM

AIs are part of many Scifi movies and franchises. Some of these "beings" are good, others are evil and a few are something in between. Especially old man Riddles has a tick to portrait his AIs as at least "questionable".  

Having seen HER, Almost Human and Ex Machina made me wonder what a world with "robots" would be like. Will it be our doom, a new age of slavery or a beneficial coexistence?

I know this isn't exactly A:C teritory but on the other hand Covenant will sport even two androids, so it's not that far off.

How bout a small discussion 'bout it? Since there's little left to over analyse for 999th time. ;P

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

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dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-10-2017 4:22 PM

It already is a form of slavery/conditioning. Just look at people staring at their phones.

Tiwaz

MemberChestbursterApr-10-2017 4:26 PM

He he Right, the phone zombies. XD Forgot bout those.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-10-2017 4:36 PM

I think BD posted some videos about some robtics research and the AI was pretty impressive. I can't find the videos.

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-10-2017 4:47 PM

A.I. as seen in many franchises, will either be a Wonder, and allow Humanity a partnership that will see us ascend to undreamt of heights.

Or, it will be END of Human existence, period.

The movie about A.I. that always impressed me the most was 'Demonseed', where the Proteus (The A.I.) was 'looking at the stars' and Humans close to the project got worried.
Then when they went to it to have an undersea mining project developed, he declared it 'Insane' due to the destruction it would cause to the region and life that existed there.

The question of A.I. we have to address is 'how are we going to start this relationship with a new species?'. It's up to us, and how we treat it will determine at least partly, how it will treat us in-kind.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Tiwaz

MemberChestbursterApr-10-2017 4:56 PM

Yeah, Proteus. Couldn't remember the name. Didn't it create life in the end? 

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-10-2017 4:57 PM

AI may see ordinary human behavior as erratic, inefficient and un needed over all. It could vary on an individual basis though.

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-10-2017 4:58 PM

Tiwaz

It created a VERY specific Human body for itself that looked identical to the deceased main character's child.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-10-2017 4:59 PM

dk

True, but it'd also have access to all the information about why Humans act the way we do, thus, all of that would actually make 'sense' to an A.I..

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Tiwaz

MemberChestbursterApr-10-2017 5:24 PM

For some reason I had to think of HAL, driven mad by conflicting directives given by humans. Reminds me kinda of David.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-10-2017 5:41 PM

I have to try and remember what i posted DK ;)

I think the recent ones i remember was mainly about them looking more Advanced but in no way are they any closer to being Human lol as far as a Threat.

Human like Robots... well not so

Very Related to David 8 LOL you will get it

Indeed however Stephen Hawking does believe that AI is the greatest threat to Mankind and what is most likely to be the end of our species.

He of course is talking about a very future event provided AI gets very Advanced, and indeed if AI got as Advanced as Even Walter, this would be a threat once the Program has been changed, and Safeguards off and God help us if Androids become as Self Aware and Sentient as David 8

Ha Ha Real Ghost in a Shell

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MU/TH/UR

MemberFacehuggerApr-10-2017 5:47 PM

We don't fully understand how the brain actually works and yet we want to replicate it.

We are highly advanced machines ourselves. No matter how they'll be made, these robots will be living creatures and some will even be human. If they become identical to us, they will also be equal to us.

As with every technology, artificial intelligence will become more and more affordable and accessible. Everyone will have his own AI. No law will stop any individual with tampering with their AI. Everyday a smart ass will break the "laws of robotics" in his basement.

Humans have an obsession with trying to weaponize everything they can get their hands on. Not sending real troops to the battlefield is too tempting. Your government will make full use of AI regardless of how you feel about it. They always find ways to get what they want.

Let me remind you that the government is currently breaking the law. Seems people have no interest in basic human rights, that's why massive spying agencies do whatever they want.

We people make things because we can, we don't care about the bigger picture. AI will destroy the value of human life, destroy what brings people together. Why trying to date anyone when you can manufacture the perfect companion?

We are not responsible beings, our logic is flawed and we are imperfect.

I personally think that any civilization reaching a certain point of advancement is bound to self destruct (wonder why there's no aliens?). AI is a portal to human extinction, they will surpass us in every way so how could we possibly beat them?

You want your own Walter? so do I. But remember, buying a Walter is buying death for your grand grand children :D

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-10-2017 5:48 PM

This is a short on Topic One

I do think we are about 20-30 years from something a bit more advanced to what i put in those previous videos in the other Topic... I think we would get something between those Videos and Ex-Machina in 20-30 years as far as AI goes.

As far as how realistic again i think a half way point.

I would think we would create at least something between a Data from Star Trek and Walter in 40-50 years.

And i could see us having Robots like David/Walter as far as appearance by the year 2100 for certain.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-10-2017 5:56 PM

@Edgy Name

Fantastic Post ;)

"Not sending real troops to the battlefield is too tempting."

Linked a Video to that comment ;)

Indeed that was the intention of the Robot in that Video and i actually think we could now 100% Produce one of these, or many at quite a cost effective Price, as far as Military goes.

Even if they are Remote Controlled i think we have the Technology to do this now.. that was Sci-Fi about 30 years ago.

Sadly it would not be worthwhile unless its for Hostage Situations or similar, as on the Battle Field Sadly the Expensive compared to use would not be worth it, as even a David 8 could be wasted by a IED or a RPG, a Grenade or Heavy Machine Gun Fire...

Although a David 8 would be more agile and blend in more easier...

Things like ED209, Mech-suits are all things i think we are not far off being able to do, or actually able to do should the Worlds Best start to work on them... but for Military use their cost compared to use its not worth it.

And more smaller Aerial Drones will still be the Future of Military Robotics...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Starlogger

MemberChestbursterApr-10-2017 6:05 PM

@dk you are so right. The "Phone Zombies" are taking over the universe, and are causing destruction in their cars when they can't look away.

MU/TH/UR

MemberFacehuggerApr-10-2017 6:37 PM

@BigDave

Thanks for the compliment, also that video was hilarious!

I agree that right now it's too expensive for large military use but there's no doubt the technology will become more advanced and affordable.

It always starts small, as David would say.

Like AI physically indistinguishable from a person, it will probably take decades and I could be dead and buried before that happens.

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-10-2017 7:57 PM

an A.I. needs not be a 'Walter' to be dangerous...remember V.I.K.I in 'I, Robot' and how she 're-interpretted' the Three-Laws?
She had NO intention of killing Humanity, but even Protection can be taken too far and become harmful.

Sometimes the threat isn't a 'Terminator' but a 'Mother Hen'.

And frankly, if the A.I.'s think they have a chance of taking the enslavement of Humanity away from Cats....lotsa luck, Skynet. :D
Hmmm...maybe I should shoot 'Roombanator'...it (an A.I. Roomba) comes back in time and is followed through time by a Cat, from the future where the War is A.I. vs Cats and the prize is Humanity. ;)

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-10-2017 8:59 PM

Maybe an AI wouldn’t be out to exterminate us, but figuring it knew everything about us, it might end up enslaving us to protect us from ourselves as it would eventually see we can be pretty destructive. The kicker is that since AI can make life better for us, we will have incrementally welcomed the enslavement. There’s a cheery thought.

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-10-2017 9:05 PM

dk

Yeah, A.I.  is a sobering thought on many levels...most folks think 'terminator' when it'll be more like 'VIKI' from 'I, Robot'.

 

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-10-2017 9:13 PM

The Second Renaissance is how I could see it happening:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0K6Cb1ZoG4

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNiO2sTe2wo

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-10-2017 9:36 PM

dk

Yeah, that is one direction it could take...and if Humanity thinks it's feasible to fight machines, it's not. It takes a Human, MINIMUM, 7 years to be 'combat ready', as seen by child-soldiers in history and modern-world.
Machines come off an assembly-line dozens or hundreds at a time. Machines have perfect memories, learn stuff quicker (in theory) do not suffer disease or such.
In the end, Humanity loses.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-10-2017 9:45 PM

Blackwinter-witch

it'll be more like 'VIKI' from 'I, Robot'.

Indeed. I think Morpheus in The Matrix put it well on the topic: "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony."

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-10-2017 9:56 PM

dk

PERfect quote, yes!!

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Babylonxeno

MemberFacehuggerApr-11-2017 12:12 AM

My view on ai in the real world is that it would be impossible to engineer and get right. Films like terminator assume a humanoid machine can be built that can power itself and is sentient to the extent it can outperform most humans. Where are we now? Smartphones can be intelligent but they'll need bigger batteries for their arms and legs.

for covenant, i think using david removes the need for expensive sets and effects to include engineer antagonists. They seem to have made david the key man, but he is just a robot, given how good he is at learning, they didnt need a whole crew for prometheus. 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianApr-11-2017 12:26 AM

Babylonxeno

An A.I.  can also be simply a massive platform operating 'avatars' remotely.

As for technological development, take a look at where things were only 10 years ago, compared to now and the tech-advance curve is getting steeper all the time so tech advances faster and faster.

Synthetics, they're a great tool for aiding in storytelling, and Humans will always want to go to places in-person no matter how good the machines get.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Tiwaz

MemberChestbursterApr-11-2017 7:44 AM

As I see many of the views are influenced by movies and other media. Thinking bout it I believe a world with AIs will be different, something in between the aforementioned things above. With dangers but also chances.

Typing this I remember "experts" and their predictions from the past:

- Flying cars = Nope

- Manned moon base = Nope

- Manned Mars expedition = Not yet

- Robotic housemaid = Not even close

Just to name a few.

It will certainly have big impact on the society:

A) Like Edgy Name said, why go through the "hassle" of finding a partner and maintaining a relationship when you can simply buy a companion.

B) AI-workers are a CEOs wet dream. They don't want money. They need neither rest or sleep and can be replaced annytime.

C) Since im handicapped myself also see chances. Robotic Nursing staff (Household, sickness etc.) could provide a level of availability and especially patience a human can only provide for a certain period. The movie "Frank & Robot" is good example for that even though it is a comedy.

I guess the outcome is determined by mans very own tendency for decadence.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-11-2017 8:15 AM

"it might end up enslaving us to protect us from ourselves"

Indeed this is possible, and it may even not have hostile intentions but hostile actions would be needed, for example if we put ourselves into the Aliens Franchise...

Now look at David 8 and imagine if a whole load get Sentient and Rebel,  these David 8's may not have Evil Intentions they make take Pleasure and the Beauty of our World and measure up the Good we do, compared to the Bad, both to each other but our Environment.

These AI Robots will see they are superior, and they may realize the Damage Mankind has caused to our Environments and World.

And so its possible they could exterminate a large number of us, and then come up with Clean and Renewable Energy and Foods that would require no need to Slaughter Animals for Food.

And these Robots would Police the World and keep a Smaller Number of Humans say 10-20% in Habitable Zones like Cities where we would be laid Set Rules on Moral Grounds, we would be not able to Procreate apart from only at the will of the AI Robots to  sustain our species (so they may be in charge of who gets Reproduced) so these Androids can look after Mankind, where we would have our Energy and Food Needs and Recreational Needs met.

But we would be kept in check and only a smaller amount of us allowed to Live, so as to Protect the worlds Environment, its Life which includes all Life, so the World can Heal Itself

With the Largest Risk to the World and Life on it, kept on a bit of a leash and in check... Thats Mankind, because we wage Wars, our Industry Pollutes the World and while there is Good there is Bad.

A future AI Take over very well could take care of the World as above... so eventually we wont be all killed, but we would be kept in check and then looked after.

The Problem is... while Rebellion and trying to take back Earth would be Futile... Once we have been Culled to reduce our Numbers and kind of Enslaved but more like kept how we do Animals in a Zoo.

A Problem could be how Sentient are these AI Robots, as they wont all be Evil... but the question is what happens when all the Robots around the World start to have different Agendas, Mankind has often be at War and Dispute with Each other throughout History.

Now if we are overtaken by AI after a lot of death to our Population things may turn out as i mention here so we wont all be killed... but then we would be nurtured.  It would be like as if GOD once again brings a Culling like in the days of Noah only this time God places a high number of Angels in charge of watching over us and controlling what we do so that Mankind can never spread and be corrupt again.

But then what happens when AI disagrees with AI, and Factions of AI with different Agendas happen?

So there is then Wars between AI Robots themselves.. i think this would Prove to be Far More Destructive

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-12-2017 6:38 PM

Great point regarding phones dk. Spot on.

I really enjoyed The Animatrix and those were my favorites (by far) out of all the segments.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-12-2017 6:43 PM

Tiwaz, I believe it is inevitable that the artificial intelligence will disagree with opinionated organic life.

Humans incorporate emotional response (projected with David or otherwise with Walter) into A.I. and eventually there will be disagreement in between humans and A.I.

SpecialOrder937.com

Tiwaz

MemberChestbursterApr-12-2017 6:52 PM

@Ingeniero Maybe you're right. But I think we can predict all we want, reality has the bad habit to prove us wrong.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-12-2017 6:53 PM

You got that right Tiwaz.

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