ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 1:52 PMIf David is indeed the creator of the xenomorph/protomorph/neomorph, aside from playing god,what exactly is he trying to achieve?Would he hijack the Covenant,and bring his deadly cargo home?Is he creating an army meant for mankind's destruction?
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Dr. Curt Connors
MemberChestbursterFeb-11-2017 2:04 PMI don't know what to think of David, I'm not a fan of Prometheus, he just did way too much shady shit in that movie to ever really know what's going on with him. I could sit here and speculate but I just don't know what the fuck he's gonna do and that's kind of exciting in a messed up way.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 2:07 PMI agree lol.I personally love Prometheus and David was the best part.This is something I've been wondering about for a while now.
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Dr. Curt Connors
MemberChestbursterFeb-11-2017 2:18 PMYeah it's gonna be crazy, all the possibilities, 10 years on Paradise what could David not have done.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 2:23 PMMy very first topic,i stated that he's likely exterminated all the engineers,and likely also turned them into his test subjects.I also have a theory that the Covenant may not be the first ship to arrive there.
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Dr. Curt Connors
MemberChestbursterFeb-11-2017 2:26 PMYeah I see that for sure, I hear most people saying that this Paradise isn't where the Covenant is on it's way to but whether a distress signal or whatever is why they go, probably David luring people there?
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 2:35 PMThe idea is that a ship went looking for the Prometheus on LV-223 which we know is about 2 years out from earth.In that time David would have likely been on paradise for a while.The ship possibly picks up a "distress" beacon and arrives on paradise and David turns them into experiments as well.
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Dr. Curt Connors
MemberChestbursterFeb-11-2017 2:41 PMThat's cool, so then why does the Covenant end up going there?
Dr. Curt Connors
MemberChestbursterFeb-11-2017 2:43 PMWell what is your theory? Cause I think most people think the Covenant is bound for somewhere else initially.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 2:49 PMWell they say the Covenant is journeying to Paradise to colonize it.The idea of the ship looking for the Prometheus is perhaps kept a secret.I guess it's official canon that Peter Weyland and David both know about LV-426 And it's distress beacon as well.They could have mistaked paradise for that.And of course there's the theory that paradise is LV-426.I realize there are a lot of holes in this theory lol.
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ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 2:52 PMThe Covenant's destination i believe is indeed Paradise.If not Paradise then I'm not sure where there initial destination would be.A possible mistake in destination perhaps?Sort of like The Wrath of Khan."THIS IS SETI ALPHA 5!"
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ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 2:59 PMThe idea of Paradise is sort of biblical.They arrive on this planet thinking it's this lush wonderful world to colonize only to realize that there's evil just beneath the surface.Paradise not being there initial destination is still possible if you consider the possibility of greedy corporate tricks at play.When they awaken from cryo sleep they may be informed that they've reached their destination only to find out that they've been diverted.It's highly likely there's a character on board with an agenda like Ash,Burke,and Vickers.
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Dr. Curt Connors
MemberChestbursterFeb-11-2017 3:03 PMYeah that's true, good stuff! Can't wait for Alien: Covenant!
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 3:41 PMTime will tell.If there is distress beacon coming from paradise then i'd say that reinforces this theory.David must want off world to deliver his creation elsewhere in the universe.
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ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 6:26 PMOr maybe David just likes to lure unexpecting travelers to a gruesome fate.He might as well be the God of Paradise,those who visit are at his mercy.
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Dr. Curt Connors
MemberChestbursterFeb-11-2017 6:58 PMVery true, there's no telling what David is capable of.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 7:00 PMI guess the question is when you have that much power,would you want the leave?
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BULL ALIEN
MemberOvomorphFeb-11-2017 7:11 PMI can't understand how people think David made the Egg or Xenos, the Eggs in Alien are as old as what backfired on LV-223. Aliens killed the Engineers but it was never said out right but the evidence was clear as day.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 7:14 PMIt's so much that he did,more like if he did.To me that derelict on LV-426 is ancient.
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BULL ALIEN
MemberOvomorphFeb-11-2017 7:37 PMthe timeline does not work for David to make the eggs, plus the Engineers already knew about the aliens. Alien covenant better clean up all the theories and give us facts about what David is doing. I don't believe he killed the Engineers because they would of killed him if they thought he posed threat right off the bat. If Ridley does make it were David killed them all be pissed because of everything they have done and made to have a dumb android kill them off is a slap in my face as a fan of Prometheus and the Alien movies as a whole. Just my opinion.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 8:07 PMOf course.All opinions are welcome.It's really hard to say about the fate of the engineers.If David did kill them,then how the hell did he do it?If not then where the hell are they?
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BULL ALIEN
MemberOvomorphFeb-11-2017 8:20 PMwe could have the faction wars people have been talking about and David and Shaw come at the end and see a war tore planet with all the experiments running free if you will. David is free to study the history of the Engineers and maybe we see that some left and the is way out of left field but they took Shaw with them and David was left behind because he is what Peter said"with out a soul" so now he is alone studying and has found their weapons and now sent out a single to get the company's attention and bring the weapons to earth. Just my theory.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 8:31 PMI'm familiar with the faction war angle.That's a good theory,i don't think I've seen it put that way yet.Some one told me if David exterminated the engineers,it was through The water supply.
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BULL ALIEN
MemberOvomorphFeb-11-2017 10:46 PM@ninXeno426 I don't think the water supply works. We have seen pictures of Engineers burned alive like statues. I believe we are giving David to much credit for his role in the state in which the planet is in. I think we will see a flashback of Shaw meeting the Engineers and either they kill her or take her with them and we never see her again. The timeline between this movie and it's 2 sequels is coming up fast to Alien. But who knows just my opinion is all.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 11:00 PMI agree.The water supply wasn't my idea.Whoever said that to me(it was a while ago)i think had forgotten about those images.Hell i almost forgot about those images.We didn't see anything in the trailer like that.Just goes to say this film has tremendous scope.I hope it runs close to 3 hours like Aliens and Alien 3's assembly cut.It seems the best way to cover everything.
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ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianFeb-11-2017 11:02 PMThere's going to be a prequel novel to Covenant they say.If the movie doesn't give us answers,then that might.Though i'd prefer it to be in the movie.
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ali81
MemberNeomorphFeb-13-2017 1:03 PMthe best way to infect a large population would be to contaminate the water supply I think. a large number of engineers and other species could be infected before anyone knew or be able to do anything about it. the scene where all the beings have been burnt could either be from an earlier war in a backflash or possibly the way the uninfected engineers deal with the infected. only way to be sure there isn't anymore risk from them is to burn them
BigDave
MemberDeaconFeb-13-2017 5:07 PM@ninXeno426 and BULL ALIEN
Will you TWO guys just get a Room already ;)
Dont want to make this a 3some, but i guess i may not help myself.
So indeed its a very good set of debates you are having, a massive sticking point for Prometheus 2 would have been
*How many Engineers are on Paradise, or what other Life (their creators or creations).
*How do they (what ever beings are on Paradise) view Mankind, and how would they react having Shaw and a Synthetic turn up (Ridley tells us these beings are not Benevolent).
*What Technology (what ever beings are on Paradise) possess?
*What knowledge of LV-223 Technology and purpose do they have?
The answers to these Questions will determine the likely-hood and how long Shaw and David survive.
Which by the looks of things, only David does... So Why and How? This depends on the answers to those Questions i raised.
These were a sticky point for when i was working on my own Prometheus 2 draft and part why i abandoned the project.
Now Ridley Scott may have given us a clue!
When discusing a potential Prometheus 2 i think in late 2013? or early 2014, Ridley said that indeed They (David and Shaw) will be off to the Planet of the Engineers, but what they find are not Gods, not in the traditional sense... and they are far from Benevolent.
Ridley then responded by adding, but David is bringing "Hell with him" and what happens if the Black Goo infects God? or a MACHINE?
This could maybe hint that they have simply gone and destroyed the Engineers, its a bit of a cop out and if this is the case then how would we get any answers? And how does Shaw?
Well if David can come across more Engineer Technology, more Architecture that has Engineer Writings or History he may be able to figure out this.
Would he know roughly enough already, could he find out more on the Juggernaught that would allow no need to get answers off the Engineers?
Maybe David has some idea, and he is banking on Engineers having clues but then he knows what happened when he last Met one of the Engineers and if he suffers a similar Fate, thats the End for David and any Agenda he has.
So maybe best to kill them off, then scavenge the ruins for Answers?
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BigDave
MemberDeaconFeb-13-2017 5:21 PMThe only other way David would come out of the encounter with Engineers would be......
A COVENANT
A agreement between David and the Engineers, or who ever created the Engineers. Especially if the Engineers are just a creation of some higher power/race.
We have to remember Paradise in context to Bible and Paradise Lost Poem, is not the Place of the Gods.
its only a place the Gods created so that they could seed it with life, and this life rebelled (Adam and Eve) there Sin then led to them being kicked out of Paradise.... now bear in mind the Biblical Account we are talking about The Garden of Eden and Paradise being on Earth... Heaven and Hell are different places.
In context to Alien Franchise, Paradise is not on Earth... but this does not mean that no Race who was on Paradise had disobeyed and then got kicked out of Paradise.
So maybe some other Race dwelled on Paradise? The Engineer said he came from there.... but in what role?
Homeworld?
Or.... are they the Guardians of Paradise? If Ridley refereed to the Engineers on LV-223 as Fallen Angels then we can look at the Covenant as far as the Badge which has those winged Cherubim on the Badge similar to those on the Ark of the Covenant
But while i dont want to touch upon the Ark, if we look at those Cherubim looking the same as those on the Covenant Badge and ask what connection do they have with Paradise?
If you then look at the Biblical accounts and yes we cant go too literal, but the Cherubim were high ranking Angels, whos one task was to Guard over Paradise and the Garden of Eden.
So in this context a group of Engineers was maybe given this task, but maybe some Rebelled or they Rebelled?
If this was the case, then indeed those LV-223 Engineers did come from Paradise but they had a different role there, and so the beings on Paradise could instead be more similar to Mankind.
But we cant be sure as there can be many ways to interpret and fit it all in.
But indeed if there are a Race who Guard many worlds where creaton was intended or the start of a certain chain of creation and this failed and some of those creations or indeed the Cherubim trusted to look over them got up to no good, then either of these could be expelled off Paradise.
Maybe they could then set up Shop some place else? Like Earth?
If we do indeed go the route that Paradise is not the Engineers Homeworld and just i dont know the base they had in this Galaxy (Remember their Sat Navs had other Galaxies and so Travel of Millions of Light years is in their power).
Or the Engineers came from their in-context to that faction once had a certain role on Paradise before being kicked out.
Then indeed who ever is at the Top of that Chain, or indeed those who remain of the LV-223 Faction.. could maybe indeed.
MAKE A COVENANT WITH DAVID?
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