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Will Neill Blomkamp still make Alien 5

Will Neill Blomkamp still make Alien 5

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Jimmy N the hood

Aug-06-2016 8:17 PM

This time last year it seemed like Neill Blomkamp's proposed Alien sequel was being fast-tracked, then all of a sudden he postpones it because Ridley Scott wants to make Alien Covenant. Before Blomkamp announced his movie Prometheus 2 was going nowhere then when Blomkamp comes along Scott changes his mind. Wow thanks Ridley Scott for destroying a perfect Alien sequel instead we're getting another crappy one 

37 Responses to Will Neill Blomkamp still make Alien 5

S.M

Aug-07-2016 12:59 AM

The Prometheus sequel had been in the works for a long time before Blomkamp's idea surfaced.

Durp004

Aug-07-2016 5:44 AM

Little soon to call it the perfect Alien sequel when we know almost nothing about it.

MonsterZero

Aug-07-2016 6:06 AM

Perfect sequel? Sigourney Weaver will be the same age as Harrison Ford when he did Indiana Jones 4...that doesn't exactly inspire much confidence. Hicks will be 61.

The hole thing sounds like Indy 4.

Indy 4: 2 old timers(Indy,Marion) and a fresh face(Mutt)

Alien 5: 2 old timers(Ripley,Hicks) and a fresh face(Newt)

Aorta

Aug-07-2016 7:34 AM

I'm sorry, Jimmy, but names like Weaver, Biehn and Blomkamp do not suggest a perfect sequel.

Ridley's movie is being done first because it's ready to go. Far from going nowhere, it's been written, honed, storyboarded, conceptualized, location scouted, cast, built, booked etc. and, as S.M. said, these things have been underway for years.

Blomkamp dropped his Aliens reunion idea just before Chappie came out. The timing suggests buzz building as much as anything else. Then Chappie came and went and you can imagine the brakes were applied at least somewhat in reaction. Say what you want about Ridley, he's experienced, and bankable.

Ridley's movie didn't go from a handful of concept paintings to a potential green light, Blomkamp's did, and largely on the merit of mainstream response to another Ripley movie. It'll happen, when it's ready. This is not necessarily a good thing, but whatever.

In the meantime, Ridley Scott is not shattering your dreams, don't buy into common opinion. He doesn't need to stop anyone's superior movie so he can have his own. Lol. Please.

Jimmy N the hood

Aug-07-2016 8:38 AM

Ok so Ridley is a more experienced filmmaker but Ridley, Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn, even James Cameron praised his script for the film. I just hope Ridley gives Neill Blomkamp the green light to make his Alien sequel 

Durp004

Aug-07-2016 9:38 AM

Cameron praised Terminator Genisys

Weaver thought the script to Resurrection was good enough she was willing to come back and play Ripley.

 

Both of those ended up being bad-trash movies. Not saying Alien 5 is necessarily trash, since we once again don't know anything, but getting a script praised by people, some of which are actors that will get pretty big paychecks for being a part of it, doesn't equate to "perfect Alien sequel". There's parts to get excited about but I wouldn't get my hopes up off an idea that just had some concept drawings.

Lone

Aug-07-2016 10:13 AM

"I just hope Ridley gives Neill Blomkamp the green light to make his Alien sequel."

If FOX want to make another Alien movie they will. It's the studio who green light a project and provide the budget.

I wish people would do a little more research before laying blame on Ridley Scott!

Many of us have been here since 2012, patiently waiting for the Prometheus sequel we've always known was going to happen!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Aorta

Aug-07-2016 1:06 PM

The point is it really isn't Ridley's choice. He will have influence, but it's the people who will invest and hopefully profit that will decide. Ridley praised the script as well, by the way.

Michelle Johnston

Aug-07-2016 2:53 PM

We seem a bit light on facts. If it is made Ridley will Produce A5 and has agreed some alterations to harmonise more affectively with his developing Trilogy. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the films that have been made which we can talk about.

A 3 struggled to build on A S. Sigourney was able to bow out and then change her mind and come back again and have a producers role on A R which felt even more forced than A 3.  

Now both movies are to be ignored for a tangental storyline which Miss Weaver approves off. Either she has developed better perspective or she is making this up as she goes along.

Ridley's basic premise "Who was the guy in the chair" was brilliant and whilst I know many like me value Prometheus enormously we know he struggled with precisely where it sat. Somehow Neil's contribution seems to have been to get Ridley to focus on that and there is after hesitation a real sense of certainty with A C and a planned closure with a final film.

So the relationship with A 5 is complicated but I am much more nervous of A.5. than A. C. but very keen to see both made.   

 

Aorta

Aug-07-2016 5:05 PM

Jimmy-

Prometheus was much more abstract than was to many people's taste. But it was setting up a lot of stuff, new toys for an old playground.

Don't write off Covenant until you've seen it, at the very least it will be an entry in the Alien story executed by a master, and the originator. You might just like it.

Edit- ha ha oops I see I've been repeating what everyone else has already said. Sorry! Doing this on the fly. 

Thoughts_Dreams

Aug-08-2016 2:23 AM

Jimmy N the Hood:

 

I am honestly more interested in Alien Covenant, the Alien movies haven’t been interesting since Alien 3 (including the AVP movies). This is not to say that Prometheus was perfect but at least they were trying new ideas, too bad that many of the characters sucked (among other things) still I think that Prometheus is OK despite its many flaws.

 

A perfect alien sequel? I would wait and see when the movie gets released if I were you. For some reason I understand why some want to see it because they like Alien movies plus that Prometheus was a disappointment to many but I would save my judgement about the movie until after I have watched it.

 

Honestly I am not very interested in another Alien movie (after Alien 3) I would like to watch AC though and I really hope that they have learned something from Prometheus so they get more things right this time so it will at least be somewhat good. Good is better than OK, Prometheus was OK so I hope that AC will be good. The Alien movies had their time but been there done that, time for something new but they must get the characters right this time. If you look forward to Alien 5 then good for you but I am not interested.

BigDave

Aug-08-2016 9:42 AM

I think they still plan to make it and i would think Fox would be willing to give it a go....  but its down to commitments of cast members.... especially Sigourney Weaver.

As far as Production goes...

After Prometheus was out... Ridley and Lindeloff had rough ideas of where they wanted to go with this movie...  But Ridley Scott had a busy scedule  but they then passed this ideas on in a board meeting with Fox and they got Jack Paglen to work on a draft.

Which he did throughout the Summer of 2013, Micheal Green was brought in to then revise the draft having gone through a number of changes... Prometheus 2 had reached Final Draft stage by October 2014

Blomkamp had worked on Alien 5 as far as a short lot and concept work i am not sure it was a final draft but just a baseline of a story and ideas around early 2014

And so yes in 2014 both movies had been worked on as far as Stories... But Fox and Ridley called Blomkamp and they would have had a meeting to discus Alien 5 as there was a few things that was conflicting with Prometheus 2...    So few changes would have been made and Ridley confirmed as a Producer role and it was pretty much a all systems go at this point.

Which seemed to be as though Prometheus 2 had been put on back burner....

They all must have collaborated with each other (Fox and Ridley) as far as how to proceed with the Franchise as both movies went all quiet around Spring of 2015 but it seemed Alien 5 was going to be given the Green Light first....

We then (i think was Autumn 2015) had new information on Alien 5, where things had changed from seeming like a movie set short time after Aliens... to one now that would be set 20 years after..  at the same time Ridley Scott announced Alien: Paradise Lost

This then in matter of a few weeks became Alien: Covenant with a Synopsis that seemed different to what comments on Prometheus 2 had led us down as far as Plot...   which was to follow David and Shaw, for more answers on why as far as creation and destruction and explore the Engineers Agenda and who else may be pulling the strings and stepping away from Alien and the Xenomorph...

Alien Covenant seems to be a U-Turn...

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-08-2016 9:58 AM

So we have to look at things logically...

1) Prometheus 2 was looking like a movie to go off to where these Engineers came from, and indeed we would be meeting them or some other beings who are far from friendly... Shaw would be wanting her answers, but the Godlike beings she hopped to find are not Gods and not Benevolent towards us... but David has a Cargo of Hell.... and it seemed like we would be getting more back ground to the Engineers their origins and role in the whole creation of us, and if creation of us is all these Engineers have done... while with David and Black Goo we are bound to see more Black Goo Escapades... the Traditional Xenomorph seemed like something they was trying to step away from...  Prometheus had Two Routes... one leads to Alien as far as LV-223 and LV-426 connection.... the other lead to the reasons for LV-223 and what these Paradise Engineers or their creators Agenda was..

It was a less Xena-connection movie as they wanted to step away from the Xenomorph.

2) Alien 5 Blomkamps movie seemed to be carried on after Aliens... the concept work did not show a Ripley/Hicks who is as aged as the Actors are now and was to tackle a alternative event after Aliens.

It seemed they would be tackling some Asian Company that has got its hands on a Engineer Ship (maybe Derelict?) or if not then a Asian Company has called upon Ripley and Co to deal with it....   There seems to be a way of exploring Xenomorph Biology and Engineer Technology and we see different kinds of Xenomorph as well as Traditional... we also see Ripley using Engineer Technology....

There was questions of how do they pull off such a movie as Miss Weaver has aged 30 years since... and also Ridley had said Alien 5 touched upon things that would conflict or spoil things he wished to address with Prometheus 2 and 3...

CONCLUSION...

It would appear Prometheus 2 and Alien 5 drafts/ideas had been changed so both movies dont conflict each other and maybe so both movies can make connections as far as Plot... or things in the Plot... i.e what becomes of Engineer Technology after Prometheus and prior to Aliens.

This seems to be the case..... as far as PROMETHEUS 2 AKA Alien:Covenant the Alien Prefix has been added to make more of a connection to Alien 1979 and Xenomorph and it seems Alien Covenant will spill more beans on the Xenomorph so that a Alien 5 can then cover what it wants without having to tread on the toes of a Prometheus sequel...

If Alien 5 was to cover Engineer Technology, and how much of this is out there... and clues to reasons for the Xeno.. its Origins... or clues to procreation (re-visit Egg Morph) then if any of these things spoiled what they was eventually trying to tell in a Prometheus sequel and another after that...

Then surely its wiser to spill the Xeno beans now... give the answers.. so Alien 5 can go and do its thing and then a future movie can cover the Engineers History more..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Patient Leech

Aug-08-2016 11:26 AM

Will Neill Blomkamp still make Alien 5?

Let's hope not.

Ridley was planning follow-ups (that's right, plural) to Prometheus. It had nothing to do with trying to sabotage Blomkamp's fantasy of eliminating Alien 3 and Alien 4. I think it has more to do with the Studio not wanting to put two Alien movies into production at the same time. Put one out, see how it does and go from there.

Thoughts_Dreams

Aug-08-2016 12:09 PM

Big Dave:

 

If AC is a u-turn compared to Alien Paradise Lost meaning that we will have more Xeno connections compared to Prometheus then it is a good thing. Since the Xeno connection in Prometheus was maybe too vague for some people then it might be better this time around. We don’t need to see them in every scene but a better connection to them than we had in Prometheus would be nice.

 

To me the Engineers should have a clearer link to them but there is more to them than just the Xenos. I would like to see how they create different bio-weapons and maybe a little bit about their culture but maybe they should show it in flashbacks or something in the beginning of the movie? My hope is that they will show the Engineers as creators of life; imagine a Frankenstein with a God complex which could be scary if it is done right. For some reason I didn’t find the Engineers to be very scary in Prometheus unfortunately but that is something that they could develop.

 

My hope is that we will see more about David’s agenda since he seems to be a curious one. I am not sure if his intentions are for the best but it will be interesting to see.

 

A movie about the Engineers without the Xenos is a movie that I feel 50/50 about. On one hand it is interesting because the Engineers did the Xeno or had something to do with its history and on the other hand we have the other things that have got to do with the Engineers which could be interesting. I haven’t made up my mind if I would watch a movie about the Engineers without the Xenos but maybe it would work if it has enough gore and people that we can identify with in one way or another.

Michelle Johnston

Aug-08-2016 12:15 PM

There is another way of looking at this. Ridley has always said the most difficult element is to find a good script which in the case of the A L I E N mythos will make the sub created world really come to life. After the existential threat of Prometheus and the difficulty that Elizabeth knows so much Ridley may have viewed the Paglan and Green scripts being more of the same big on ideas and low on relatable characters.

So how do you make the threat more anthropomorphic and the characters more relatable, and low and behold the thought of Ripley and the Zeno again seems to be gaining traction even given the hoops that need to be jumped through to put her in front of Zeno's again the denial of two films.

So the big ideas move into the back ground and into the foreground comes a bunch of relatable characters but what makes it really exciting is David and Elizabeth are naturally and imaginatively in the mix.    

As David said its a fast paced narrative moving through big ideas how much that is due to A 5 we may never know. 

Thoughts_Dreams

Aug-08-2016 12:22 PM

Patient L:

 

I am more interested in AC than Alien 5. We have already seen Alien 1-4 and the AvP’s. At least AC is trying something new (the Engineers) but they need better characters than Prometheus had.

 

The Engineers could be made interesting but unfortunately they weren’t very fleshed out in Prometheus. Good idea – bad execution on screen. My hope is that they will make better human characters and also make more sense of the Engineers.

Patient Leech

Aug-08-2016 12:33 PM

@Thoughts_Dreams

Part of the problem is that the need in this era of cinema is to have multiple films and stretch out an idea as much as possible (Harry Potter, Hunger Games, etc). So of course the Engineers weren't going to be fleshed out much in their first film. But they also need some mystery. If they are totally explained and exposed that could ruin it too. So it will need to be a very delicate balance for Ridley to pull this off. It is a grand and ambitious undertaking.

Thoughts_Dreams

Aug-08-2016 12:41 PM

Michelle J:

 

“So the big ideas move into the back ground and into the foreground comes a bunch of relatable characters but what makes it really exciting is David and Elizabeth are naturally and imaginatively in the mix.”

 

Having interesting ideas is all fine but a movie won’t be good if there are not well done characters that we can at least in a way connect with and understand. This is not to say that they shall neglect the ideas but they need to give the characters better attention and develop them better this time. I hope that we will be given some explanation about the Engineers and their connection to the Xenos. Maybe we will see some of their society and how it works (be it in flash-backs and what ever) but at least some of it should be explained.

 

My interest about the movie is the Engineers and their connection to the monsters. What is very much needed are human characters that we can relate to and find interesting meaning that we can wonder what will happen to them next. Hopefully they will make the Engineers more threatening because they didn’t feel like that in Prometheus.

Thoughts_Dreams

Aug-08-2016 12:46 PM

Patient L:

 

I understand that they try to do more movies to explain things but they should have explained some more about things that they did in Prometheus. They shouldn’t be totally explained in the first movie but they could have done better. My main concern are the human characters, the Engineers come after that.

Michelle Johnston

Aug-08-2016 3:16 PM

@T_D.

I was brought up in the tradition of English Literature which meant we studied texts. When I come to think of the body of literature and drama that i enjoy and about time spent in a theatre most people seem to be moved the same way about the same things. Characters are reviled, pitied, respected loved to the same degree within the same cultural environment and that seems to be the key.

Movies are made for people from 16 to 60 and for entirely different cultures even cultures which share the same language but are culturally quite different.

A L I E N was quite linear and we ended up with one survivor who we connected with simply because she had the guts and tenacity to survive. In the second movie they layered her more as a lost mother who gained a child and as someone who started off being disbelieved and thought of as crazy and was completely redeemed and survived saving her "daughter' and a man she warmed to.

They decided for the third and fourth movie to make her the A L I E N and even interact with the Zeno strain more intimately but it was all about her. That was a huge mistake because they began a process which concluded in the AVP movie I did see of emaciating the A L I E N and reduced it to an uninteresting one dimensional stereotype. The only way to make the Zeno interesting again is to find out where it came from and why it is a weapon of punishment and there is no better way to do that than to thread its history into mankind with the Engineers a third part of the triangle.

However relatable Ripley is that makes her entirely expendable because if you make the Zeno back story interesting, because she has been round for ever, she becomes a stereotype and even more worrying is the movie is driven by the delayed opportunity of her being a mother and lover again. She has nothing to add indeed she becomes a dangerous diversion. She already is, two films have been nixed because of her.

So in the third corner we have mankind do we have a replacement sassy female, thats the danger of Daniel's but I suspect she is aligned to the mission quite differently to Ripley. Whether as the crew "turning up to dinner reduces" you find upsetting because you are rooting for them because you relate to them is another matter which you can answer in a years time. But for me I do not have to relate to them, I have to understand them. They can do stupid things that does not worry me people do stupid things every day thats life.

The Prometheus crew were a bunch of opportunist pushing there luck and all got what they deserved (Janek was a genuine hero) the Covenant crew are colonist probably some are idealists who will not be prepared to meet whats there. They maybe naive but in a different way, so long as i understand who they are in the same way I understood the Prom characters I am unconcerned. Yes you can tighten up some of the drama and make the all hell breaks lose arc more consistent (Fifield unleashed felt added on and indeed it was) but the characters can still do stupid things just as Romeo, Lear, Bathsheba and the Mayor of Casterbridge did stupid naive things which caused death and terrible consequences.  

The only characters that cannot do stupid things are the robots they must act in line with whatever their programme indicates, just as the Zeno's do and thats really the point morality, gives us mankind the privilege of doing illogical things. We are prepared to sacrifice ourselves for others for the greater good the ultimate symbol of sacrifice being christ. The Engineers it may turn out rebelled against this Covenant with their maker and may have lead to their fall. The biggest message of the film maybe they did stupid things.               

MonsterZero

Aug-08-2016 3:58 PM

Well said Michelle!

150,000 humans die every day...I doubt any more than 100 are heroic Hollywood deaths. .....100 is probably too high..but I'll give the benefit of doubt to my fellow humans!

Perfect Sequel?

Hicks : needs reconstructive surgery(Navy's not going to pay for the operation, it's cosmetic)....He lost ALL his squad mates...Probably having survivor guilt...other signs of PTSD.....Clearly headed for a desk job...if he doesn't take his own life.

Bishop : Needs major surgery. May not be worth it....Probably headed for the scrap heap. Memory's upload to the synth cloud to help further the synth race.

Newt : PTSD....Family dead.... headed for years of therapy...Nightmares...Maybe a chance of deprogramming, but that's $$$$.

Ripley : Have her nightmares ended? That's the only reason she joined the Sulaco Slaughter in the first place.....More nightmares? Well then you might have another story.

Really sounds like their story has ended?

S.M

Aug-08-2016 4:35 PM

Then the story has to be forced on them.  Ripley had 30 years of reward; now she (and Hicks and Newt) get dragged back in when more Aliens are discovered. Or the Derelict is excavated.  Or whatever.

BigDave

Aug-09-2016 6:53 AM

SM .. Exactly thats what i think....  the movie makes more sense to be shot 20 years latter... Blomkamps original concept work looked set 10 years latter tops...

And so its maybe correct to assume they returned to a normal life after Aliens...  then some event drags them back into it...  we have to assume Ripley goes home or to a Outpost to take up a more World Based Job and put Space Travel behind her...  

It would be interesting to see what direction Hicks takes, did he stay in the Military, does he become a Private Security type roll, as Military wont have him back due to his injuries... or does he take a 9-5 job and what emotional scars do they all carry.

We have to try and figure out what event brings them back....

*After Aliens is that the last the company have as far as Xenomorph or Egg Cargo and Derelict... was they destroyed on Hadleys Hope... (as far as canon to Alien 5, and not Games).

*If so and the Derelict is destroyed, then we have to ask where else could the company get its hands on the Xenomorph?  Alien 3 and Alien R showed us the companies only hope was to pursue Ripley.  But why if the Derelict at least on LV-426 and its Cargo is Salvageable.

*Does the company recover it or set up a outpost on LV-426 and keep things quiet from Ripleys knowledge and also contained... (but history tells us they cant safely control and contain the Xenomorph).

*If the Derelict was destroyed and Hadleys hope is completely gone too,  this would explain their endless pursuit of Ripley (however maybe because dealing with one Xeno carrying Host is less risky than going down to a Ship/Hive with Thousands of Eggs).  But if we go the route as Alien 3 and R and the Derelict is destroyed then what?

*Prometheus showed us there was more to the Engineers than Xeno Eggs.... the Derelict/Juggernaught are just as big a prize for a Company than its Cargo.. also Alien Covenant will maybe show us how the Goo/Xeno are related in which Chicken/Egg Order are those....

As we know LV-223 was intact after Prometheus, it looked like it had many more temples.. there defiantly was many more Engineer Ships... they only explored a small part of LV-223 was it pot luck that where Prometheus Landed is the only Outpost on that World.

*We have Paradise, and any mission to LV-223 may uncover clues to Paradise... or maybe information had been passed to the Company... and even if Covenant arrives by pure Coincidence... the aftermath we have to ask what information does the company have?

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So we have avenues for where and what condition as of Aliens and Alien 5,  the Engineers and their Technology and Xeno Bio-Weapon are in......

Does the company never try and explore or obtain any of this ....this is one thing that has to be covered as a potential Plot Hole..... what becomes of Engineer Tech and Companies knowledge as of Aliens..  for example.

*LV-223 and its Temples, and Engineer Ships.

*The Derelict after Hadleys Hope Destruction.

*Paradise... and any clues left to other Worlds the Engineers have Technology on or Bio-Weapons.

These are important as to work out how the Xenomorph and Engineer Ship comes into play in Alien 5...

Maybe Blomkamp had explored ideas... of these but these ideas of how he would carry on the Plot of where in the Galaxy can and does the company get Engineer Ship and Xenomorphs after Aliens....  (we know LV-223 has such stuff and Paradise).

And so i think these are maybe the things that had to be changed that conflicted with Ridley and Foxes explanations for the condition and availability of such things.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-09-2016 7:01 AM

Going back to what SM said....

There is another more simple option and that is the Derelict gets buried and assumed Lost....  (still have to wonder why they dont go to Paradise or LV-223 or other Worlds the Engineers have tinkered with).

so a company arrives and they unearth it.... (i was working on  a Alien movie that had similar idea, that i only got as far as a broad synopsis rather than actual draft... where a Mining company mine a World and they explore and excavate further and further and come across a Cave System with Spore like Eggs hanging from the Walls and Ceilings....   they then later come across a Engineer Ship that had been buried under a Volcanic Eruption thousands of years prior.

They could go that similar route.....

But then we have to ask why would Ripley bother.... is Ripley now the SPECIALIST XENO ASS KICKER...?  surely the Marines have better trained people who only need Intel and surely after Aliens Hicks and Ripley would have been questioned about what happened.. surely someone at the company would known about the Mission and Burkes plans.

So the "Who ya Gonna Call" when you got a Xeno outbreak as being Ripley Xeno Buster role does not fit with me.....

She would want to forget about these nightmares and her only role would be to raise awareness of the threat than want to go back out... especially if we are ignoring the Character Ripley became in Alien 3

So there has to be a reason for her and Hicks to Go... and maybe that Reason is Newt?   Does Newt become some Pilot or some other role that takes her on a Mission that then ends up encountering the Xeno?

That would give Ripley a better reason to enter the foray again... but who knows..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-09-2016 7:14 AM

@Thoughts_Dreams

If we want to go back and off topic and cover Alien Covenant and how much Xeno and how much Engineers...  Then IF THE SOURCE can be trusted..

Here is a nut shell of the connections...

*David and Shaws mission to Paradise for Answers is only one Plot the movie had 3 in total and concentrated on the other TWO

*That would not be largely based on the Juggernaught they took off in.

*Shaw plays a minor role and is incapacitated for the most part

*She Technically is not dead... but plays a big part in the Plot (but seems she dont get much screen time).

*Plot revolves in part around David, his Agenda and Evolution.

*The Engineers, their Hierarchy and Agenda is covered and its a Sinister Agenda... Engineers are not the Top of the Hierarchy and are to the Hierarchy as David 8 is to mankind.

*Some links to LV-223 and LV-426 as far as related Events but its not a Xeno based movie or Xeno Origin Tale.

*It appears one of the 3 Plots could be around Engineers and History and reasons for a Rebellion (Fall) and so flashbacks could be part of this.

*The movie feature Two Types of Xenomorph related Organisms that would provide clues to the Xenomorph but they are not Traditional Xenomorphs...

*One is a Past Event, the other a Event post Prometheus and seems source hints David plays a role in this.

*Total Xenomorph related connections and goings on is 20% 25% Tops of the Draft....  its no more a Xeno Flick than Prometheus was... just Xeno connections are not as vague.

That seemed to be the idea for Prometheus 2... which they said was going to be called either Paradise Lost or Pandemonium... i think maybe they hinted at Paradise Pandemonium?   But said Prometheus title would be dropped.

This was all said back March-July 2015 most in March and so who knows if its true... but thats what the rough percentage of the idea of Green/Paglens draft was.

So Thoughts_Dreams it appears Alien Covenant will however be more connected to link to Alien movie... and Xeno DNA and so i expect a lower % of Engineers and their Agenda and History in this... but more than we got from Prometheus.... and i think the Xeno DNA and Xenomorph would be more linked to the Original and a higher % of Xeno based movie is what we would see..

Maybe as much as 50%?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-09-2016 7:38 AM

I would suggest that maybe she (Newt) joins some kind of role on a Ship or a Pilot for a Mission to a outpost or something related and she runs into Xeno trouble and thats why Ripley and Hicks get involved in Alien 5

I think she has to be the key event that would get Ripley involved.... as i would assume after Aliens that Ripley would want to get back to some normal life, a normal job and back to life pre Nostromo.

Rather than her, Hicks being the Xeno Busters "who ya gonna call when ya got a Xeno outbreak" Ripley and Co... like shes the only Human who can deal with them.

The same goes with if they kidnap Newt to blackmail Ripley and Co to get involved in the Xeno or give information... again who is to say Ripley is the only one Human who has all the information on the Xeno?

Sure Bishop has more....  and then we have Prometheus Mission and David 8, and Covenant etc... so the company is bound to not really need Ripley for input... the only reason she was needed in Alien 3 would be logically in that series of events the Derelict was destroyed or buried after the destruction of Hadleys Hope.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Michelle Johnston

Aug-09-2016 8:14 AM

@BD Prometheus has already used up a good deal of artistic capital by introducing LV233.

Covenant will use up an equal amount of capital with Paradise and the why the zeno. The third and final movie (the official view is this is the second chapter in a trilogy) will then use up more mythos capital.

So one of the few credible ways to use all those substantial pre equal investments and genuinely tie them together is for a character, probably Newt, to be involved in the discovery of something buried in the original films.

I have said it elsewhere the Zenomorph strain is inert the species that set them in motion destroyed they remain as in the first film some thing latent and hidden and only respond in storytelling terms to being poked.

If the origins of the Zeno lie with the Engineers and we will certainly know that after Covenant what more can a post Aliens world do other than poke around ill advisedly some more which all sounds like a re tread to me mixed in with Ripley's increasingly soap opera story.       

Aorta

Aug-09-2016 12:16 PM

Sigourney's 'I want to give this woman an ending' sounds more like a slogan than a mission. It's certainly inducing seizures in the susceptible. Watching these people peddle themselves is depressing.

To me, there's no doubt this movie will be made, I'm just hoping the story doesn't insult our intelligence trying to justify itself. So far the people talking about it do not inspire a lot of confidence, especially when conspicuous by it's absence is Blomkamp's voice.

I found a couple of his concept pieces to be interesting, especially the housed and apparently rotting Juggernaut. I wouldn't mind seeing a movie just about the horrors of being exposed to that, no pulse rifles, no reunion, no Queen. Alas. Maybe his movie will be a pg13 film for the kiddies.

Michelle Johnston

Aug-09-2016 1:05 PM

@Aorta I like your style ! I also think its important (and concerning) that this came out of conversations between Blomkamp and Sigournays whilst working together as a lets do it for her rather than the wider mythos.   

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