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What if... Duncan Jones' Moon is part of the Alien universe?

What if... Duncan Jones' Moon is part of the Alien universe?

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Gavin

Jun-16-2016 4:17 AM

As you have probably guessed by now this series of "What Ifs" are curve-ball proposals, proposals looking to extend the fictional universe of the Alien movies, to explore new possibilities within our beloved franchise. So far I have proposed that the USS Sulaco and The USCSS Patna are in fact the same vessel and that the USCSS Nostromo survived destruction by ejecting its thermonuclear core and has since been drifting through space with Brett and Dallas having sired a Queen Alien and a plethora of eggs on board. For my third "What If" I'm going to propose merging the Alien universe with that of another property, but worry not we are not talking about revisiting AvP.

Some fans have speculated the possibility that 1982's Blade Runner, and by extension 1998's Soldier, could exist within the same universe as the Alien movies, with the Tyrell corporation having been mentioned as a former employer for Captain Dallas during Ripleys inquest in Aliens. Fans have speculated that Tyrell and Weyland may have been rival corporations, with their founders being the Bill Gates and Steve Jobs of the 21st century. So what if we add another corporation to the mix, another conglomerate with questionable ethical practices - Lunar Industries.

Lunar Industries is responsible for the running of Sarang Station, an automated mining facility based on the moon that refines and processes Helium-3, an alternative fuel source discovered there. Publicly the base was believed to be fully automated, using the latest in robotics technology until it was uncovered in 2035 that Lunar Industries had been using illegal human clones of Sam Bell, one of their leading astronauts to maintain and run the facility. The sixth clone of Bell, stowing aboard one of the Helium-3 transports returned to Earth and publicly revealed how he and his previous clones had been coerced into running Sarang Station for the past 18 years. As a result of the scandal Lunar Industries stock plummeted.

Could Weyland Corp/Industries have taken over Lunar Industries as the first step in their plans for colonization and exploration? Was Sarang Station the beginnings of the colony where Ellen Ripley was born (Olympia, Luna)?

Sarang Station and Lunar Industries feature in 2009's Moon, the directorial debut of Duncan Jones (Warcraft), son of the late, great David Bowie. The design aesthetic and technology utilized is very reminiscent of Ron Cobb's work on Alien, and could easily be seen as being an extension of the Alien universe. Sarang Station could be featured and/or mentioned in a future Alien movie, its cloning technology a forebearer of that using in Alien Resurrection, and GERTY a forebearer to Synthetics such as David, Ash, and Bishop.

22 Responses to What if... Duncan Jones' Moon is part of the Alien universe?

Necronom 4

Jun-16-2016 6:12 AM

MOON is a great film and maybe it could be tied to the ALIEN universe somehow. But where would it end?

Could we then have Star Wars as part of the universe? Star Trek? The Terminator series?

Nah. I mean, I personally only consider ALIEN as canon but I think the franchise should just be kept in it's own universe, if not just for the sake of clarity.

The poster was good though!

 

Gavin

Jun-16-2016 8:45 AM

Part of R2-D2's leg was used in the construction of the Nostromo! Hyperdyne Systems is too similar to Cyberdyne Systems (James Cameron, I know)... Can't think of a Star Trek link.

Something Real

Jun-16-2016 1:25 PM

GAVIN SINGLETON - Moon was an exceptionally sad film; many of my friends were in tears by the end! As for the film's possible connection to the Alien universe: I believe it is quite possible! The way in which you have presented your hypothesis certainly lends the premise weight! :)

BigDave

Jun-16-2016 3:20 PM

Never seen the Moon... will have to look into it

As far as Tyrell yes it was or may only be a Easter Egg but it does not mean Ridley cant make them loosely Canon, with Easter Eggs that would link them being in the same time line/universe but not have the movies follow any connection directly.

i.e a Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, but have a movie about Bill Gates that does not have to be full of Steve Jobs apart from seeing a Apple device a few times.

Ridley did tease they could be in the same Universe.

Fans who would argue Blade Runner wont fit because Earth does not look like it did in Blade Runner, but we have to remember its Fiction.

Technological Advances in Alien do not have to match Earth as far as our Timeline..

Alien is not showing us, that in 9 years time we will see the First David Android or that in 18 years time Mankind would have created the first FTL-capable  Space Craft.

And so yes Tyrell could be loosely set in the same Universe but we dont know if that would be the case, and if Ridley does then i think maybe it would be Easter Eggs to suggest the companies exist in the same universe but the movie would not be trying to connect them.

 

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S.M

Jun-16-2016 3:57 PM

The dates don't really fit.  Weyland is supposed to be the biggest of the biggest but they only get into lunar colonisation until the 2030s.  Sarang has been there since at least 2017.  And clones have memories when they really shouldn't.

 

Besides that, Moon is so light on wider background detail (from memory) that it could fit. Alien introduced Farside Lunar Mining and Lifting in 1979 anyway.

 

Blade Runner?  Nah.

Mizikame

Jun-16-2016 4:13 PM

^SM Always coming in with dem counterpoints x3

That is an interesting correlation of "similar" type of Universe Canon. Maybe another Parallel Dimension this could work as Interconnected. Instead of David8 becoming the first "ManCreatedTrueLife" It was the Perpetual Cloning of SamBell to test out how they would act while furthering some Scientific venture.

That aside I highly doubt a correlation for the fact that Weyland-Yutani is only known of it's mannny misdeeds & questionable actions towards sentient life for a "Higher Gain" by outer perceptional viewers aka the Viewing Audience ^_^ 

Gavin

Jun-16-2016 11:31 PM

@ S.M.

One could hardly call Sarang Station a colony, more a mining facility/factory, which would likely have been taken over by a rival corporation in 2035 and probably automated properly while using the station as the starting point of a colony, thus fitting in with dates from the Weyland Industries website.

Yes, the clones do have memories, but only a three-year lifespan. The two could be linked - increase the clones lifespan and they lose memories. Unless you go the Assassins Creed route, with memories somehow been stored genetically - another possible Alien link.

S.M

Jun-16-2016 11:40 PM

How do they give them memories when 350 years later, clones still aren't supposed to have memories?  Gediman said it was 'unprecedented'.

Lone

Jun-17-2016 1:21 AM

So, how about adding OUTLAND to the Universe Canon then?

Many parts of the Nostromo set  were re-used or retrofitted for OUTLAND. Even some of the special effects techs and modellers were re-deployed. Martin Bowers for example!    

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Gavin

Jun-17-2016 1:24 AM

@ S.M.

True, but Gediman and the others also thought it a good idea to put 3 drones in one cell. The memories could have been programmed, a la Blade Runner.

@ Lone,

Been a while since I watched Outland, but from what I remember it could work, maybe Kane was addicted to the drug it features in his "high" days.

S.M

Jun-17-2016 1:48 AM

What correlation is there between a scientists knowledge of cloning, and wanting to see how an new Alien species socialises?

 

@Lone - I've always thought Outland could easily fit. Event Horizon is another one (at least prior to release of Prometheus).

Gavin

Jun-17-2016 2:45 AM

Event Horizon? Bringing hell into the Alien universe is not an idea I would have assumed you'd go for S.M.

Necronom 4

Jun-17-2016 3:37 AM

Just out of interest; where is it stated or suggested that Dallas is a former employee of Tyrell Corporation?
And where is it mentioned that Kane is a recovering addict?

The poster was good though!

 

S.M

Jun-17-2016 3:58 PM

Crew histories on the screen behind Ripley in during the inquiry in Aliens.  They're full of in jokes so should be taken with a certain degree of salt.

 

@Gavin - It wasn't actually Hell in Event Horizon, but I was more talking about the aesthetic and setting (again though the dates don't really work).  But if Paradise isn't the biblical Paradise in Prometheus; who not have Hell being a false Hell too?

BigDave

Jun-17-2016 4:20 PM

Yes we dont know what Hell could be like in Prometheus Franchise... sorry to go off Topic... because Ridley has said that Paradise can be dark and ominous which could mean Dark as in Evil/None Benevolent rather than being a Dark Baron Place like LV-426

But Ridley said at the time after Alien well a long time he ago he felt that LV-426 was always Paradise....  so yes Paradise could be Pandemonium

As far as Clones and Memories, well i never seen the Moon but in context to Any Sci Fi as far as Clones, or Androids there is always the chance for a rogue one that operates in a way not intended... i.e remember memories, or its programing is altered etc.

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Gavin

Jun-17-2016 6:05 PM

@ S.M.

I saw Event Horizon the night before release, which for some reason at my old local theater (closed down now) showed a different cut to the theatrical release and there is a scene where it clearly shows the Event Horizon above some flames as Weir says clear as day "she went to hell".

I saw quite a few extra scenes at this same theater including the original intended ending for T2 (old Sarah Connor in the park) and the Newborn turning to Ripley in Alien Rez and calling her "Mommy", just after killing the queen if I remember correctly. Independence Day had one too, but I can't remember what it was.

S.M

Jun-17-2016 8:44 PM

Miller says the ship is going back to Hell, but Weir says "Hell is only a word. The reality is much, much worse."  It's a "dimension of pure chaos."

Gavin

Jun-18-2016 1:11 AM

Yes that's the line "Its a dimension of pure chaos". While Weir said that it showed a mass of writhing bodies (fairly close up), lots of flames and the event horizon above it all, you could hear moans and groans, screams, flames and something guttural when it showed the ship - probably inferring the ship being possessed.

Arguably Andersons best film, and it would have been so much better had the studio not held him back. A true sci fi horror movie.

Not bad for what is essentially a remake of Disney's The Black Hole, itself a remake of 20,000 leagues.

Mizikame

Jun-18-2016 11:39 AM

Event Horizon has always been something in its own class. Hardly any Sci-Fi style movies are like it & that makes me sad. 

I love how the GravityDrive worked & was sanctioned wayyy far away from the Bridge just in case it imploded inwards upon itself & reacted like a NeutronStar ^_^

I also like how they had that blonde chick from 101 Dalmatians to be one of the three survivors lol.

Centauri

Jun-18-2016 2:34 PM

"this is major tom to ground controL"

 

 

****

 "Must be something we haven't seen yet.."__Bishop

http://www.alien-covenant.com/series/

            

Centauri

Jun-18-2016 2:35 PM

@S.M

"MiLLLLLLERR!!!!!!!"

 

 

****

 "Must be something we haven't seen yet.."__Bishop

http://www.alien-covenant.com/series/

            

S.M

Jun-18-2016 3:31 PM

DO YOU SEEEE!!!!!!??!?!

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