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How did a Queen egg end up inside the Sulaco?

How did a Queen egg end up inside the Sulaco?

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Centauri

Jun-08-2016 1:42 AM

Was it even possible for the Queen in "Aliens" to lay an egg on the ceiling of the Sulaco spacecraft?

Can the Queen control what kind of egg she lays wether its soldier xenomorphs, or a "queen" egg?

Did Bishop put it there?

How could the Queen, (without it's egg laying thorax) lay an egg at this angle and in the time before the final battle in Aliens? Did the Queen even fit in that small section of the ship?

Before Cryo sleep, was it that unnoticeable? following the terror of fighting such unkillable lifeforms, especially Ripley's bad dream of having one inside of her in the beginning of Aliens, wouldn't she double check this time?

Was the Queen in "Alien Resurrection", the same Queen that Ripley vaccumed out of the Cargo doors using her power loader?  

I personally understand these plot holes were ether dumb or fun to question... but I wanted to know what you thought :) 

 

 

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 "Must be something we haven't seen yet.."__Bishop

http://www.alien-covenant.com/series/

            

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Engineer Tech Brett

Jun-08-2016 2:31 AM

The only way this would work for me is that Bishop put it there. He lied about how long it would take to prep the drop ship and did it all whilst he was alone.

No wait, two ways.

There was someone else on the Sulaco. Someone unregistered and not apart of the crew. Able to disable security and bring on Alien lifeforms. Maybe another Bishop or an Ash or even a David.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Centauri

Jun-08-2016 3:17 AM

@Engineer Tech Brett lol thats brilliant!  "Maybe another Bishop or an Ash or even a David." yea Bishop  did disappear for a while lol

 

"The A2s always were a bit twitchy. That could never happen now with our behavioral inhibitors. It is impossible for me to harm or by omission of action, allow to be harmed, a human being." 

"I didn't think you had it in you. Poor choice of words."

"a perfect organism"

 

 

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 "Must be something we haven't seen yet.."__Bishop

http://www.alien-covenant.com/series/

            

Engineer Tech Brett

Jun-08-2016 5:15 AM

The Sulaco was a big ship. If I had to pick, it would be a David. 

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

CarynParnall

Jun-08-2016 5:33 AM

Doesn't Bishop say something like "the egg was always on the ship" and "the company knows everything" in the special edition of Alien 3?  I can't recall if it's in the special edition or the theatrical cut, but Bishop's head is highly suspect when Ripley tricks it back to life.  

I suppose that there could have been another crew member that we just didn't see; although, judging from the data we currently have access to, I'm forced to assume that Bishop put the egg on the ship.  Even if he didn't put it there himself, he likely knew about it. However, he may have done so against his own will.  

I think the company's subroutines overrode Bishop's behavioral inhibitors and better sense of judgement, forcing him to comply with the secret agenda.  He would have basically been forced to work towards the company's interests, and if he had a choice in the matter he might not have done it.  A subroutine ensured Bishop's loyalty... Bishop's personal interest in the creature may have been purely scientific, yet the company was also very interested in studying the Alien.

Burke lied straight to Ripley's face when he said that the company wasn't going to the planet to study it.  Ripley told Burke that she would only return to LV-426 if they were going there to Destroy the creatures - to wipe them out.  It was always the company's intention to learn more about them and gather a sample.  

MonsterZero

Jun-08-2016 5:57 AM

I've long said there were two squads on board the Sulaco, one to rescue the miners and one to recover the Egg/tech.

Rescuing the miners was a low priority mission, if it worked great! the real squad recovered the eggs.

CarynParnall

Jun-08-2016 6:24 AM

@MonsterZero - If we go by some of the videogames and old comics, then that idea might not be so far-fetched.  I definitely don't rule out the possibility.

We have no way of knowing that a few members of a secretive elite squadron of marines didn't separate themselves from the rest and use the other marines as cover (drawing attention away from covert actions).  

Michelle Johnston

Jun-08-2016 7:04 AM

@brg

I love the way the forum members find the goo (sorry glue) to bind the wounds of the threads of these stories. However part of the reason I jumped ship at this point is to do with in interest in story telling.I had invested so much in these guys survival and two were dead and one hugged. You all know these age old complaints, but it is the jeopardy that refracts with A. C. and Shaws absence it better be good.

By the way Ripley had a dream in cryo sleep which David witnessed using the visor technology, he was on board and is activated remotely by the real Bishop following Robot Bishops  sending out a failing distress signal. He transmits the dream to the company so they had a sense of what happened and what might happen - that they lose the Zeno technology in particular the Queen. When they arrive out of deep space David is allowed to divulge the details of a second mission which is to quarantine the derelict. The truth is quite different it is subject to a very elaborate space tug mission to a safe custody destination. Ripley wiser and protective of both Hicks and Newt and knowing Burke and the company appears to accept David's story but eventually with Newt grown up and remembering the horrors of Hadleys Hope and pursuing the whereabouts of the derelict leads to Ripley's last involvement with the Zeno and the events that really unfold in A L I EN 5.       

 

Lone

Jun-08-2016 7:32 AM

Loving everyones replies!

@BRG The queen in Alien Resurrection was removed from Ripley Clone 8 by Dr. Gedimen and co, on board the Auriga. 

Perhaps a Queen can lay an egg with two spores/embryos, a drone and a queen? She is more than likely still capable of laying eggs without her sac.

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Thoughts_Dreams

Jun-08-2016 8:45 AM

This is something that I have never understood either. Was there a company person that we didn’t see that put it there? If this is the case the person or android either had a ship on its own and left before the ship took off or the person was hiding in the ship to avoid the Xeno.

 

If Bishop put it there: Didn’t he said that he had a behavioral thing that stopped him from harming human beings? Either he lied or he meant harming as in beating someone. If he meant beating someone he didn’t harm anyone when he put it on the ship, so.

 

Maybe the answer is as simple as lazy writing by those that wrote the script.

 

Bladerunnergunner, thanks for the post it is an interesting topic that I have wondered about now and then.

MonsterZero

Jun-08-2016 9:41 AM

This a problem of not having a long term plan for a franchise! They really needed a road map.

 

Was there time to send one of the drop ships back to the Sulaco with a egg or two? Maybe one of the drop ship pilots was a operative?

Gavin

Jun-08-2016 11:08 AM

A secret team of more proficient, special ops colonial marines tasked with gathering specimens from the derelict could work...

One thing that always bothered me was the marines. Yes their gears cool, but these guys are greener than Slimer. Hell, the mission was Lt. Gorman's first real drop. Would such an inadequate, inexperienced team be granted a ship like the Sulaco? Let's be honest, these guys had probably only just made the grade at the academy the week beforehand. Here's my suspicions...

After losing contact with the Nostromo and waiting long enough a colony is accidentally (on purpose) established on LV-426, the colonies atmosphere processor courtesy of WY. WY hope the colonists will find the derelict, but after 20 years... nothing. Once Ripley is found and the Jorden's find it WY knew what would happen and let it happen. Only once the colony had been overrun did they claim to have lost contact, ensuring the only team of marines available at the time was Apone and Gorman's green grunts, who are leased the USS Sulaco for the mission to investigate the colony. Burke and Ripley are added to the roster by WY in the hope that they will both fall foul to the xeno.

In the bowels of the ship another, small team of highly skilled colonial marines, are tasked with collected eggs from the derelict. Once the green grunts have departed they use the second dropship and return to the Sulaco in time for when Bishop remote launches it. Once Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop enter cryosleep the egg is placed and they leave in a dropship, with the other eggs to be picked up by the USS Patna.

 

 And the alien Queen in Alien Rez is not the same one from Aliens, but its daughter, for want of a better term

Leto

Jun-08-2016 1:14 PM


I think - Alien3 (and Alien4) it's just cryosleep nightmare. If second marines squad (or Bishop) captured eggs, why one egg hangs on the ceiling? And (in special version of Alien3) we have two facehuggers (one for Ripley and one for bull). This is just weird! One egg and two facehuggers, one of which a "queen". In fact, a runner - since the "queen" facehugger attacked the bull (and born alien-runner) & Ripley was infected queen embryo with help normal facehugger. Uff... Alien3 is just bug movie.

100% suitable for phantasmagoric nightmare (ala Freddy Krueger).

cuponator3000

Jun-08-2016 1:57 PM

Easy reply: Not sure.

Like Aliens, some of the world building is just not really there. I am pretty darn sure that the when the final script was written and the movie was produced, there was a backstory for the Eggs being with Ripley and co. Actually, I am surprised the game, Aliens: Colonial Marines, did not answer that. They had to have thought of that when deciding to tell a story between Aliens and Alien 3 (that is official fox canon), but we were never presented with that answer. 

The only thing I can think of is Bishop. I used tot think it was Burke somehow, but he didn't get near the eggs (unless there were some somewhere in the lab) and never really had a chance to disappear and take any. And that drop ship did not make it to the planet before Carter had any kind of chance to do anything. 

Actually, thinking about it, I would say the Queen could have. Really, that actually makes most sense. I know someone here pointed out the weird angles the eggs were at and they were weird, but I don't find it outrageous. The Queen should be able to produce some eggs without that sack for sure. Plus, the way she was up in the ship, I can imagine that she stuck one egg with the runner hugger and another with the queen hugger. She would put them in the odd spots to conceal them better. I guess until we see how this played out (if we do) or someone on these forums supplies a better option, I will have to go with that.

Not a map, an invitation

Akvus eh

Jun-08-2016 2:37 PM

Apone's squad was obviously cannon fodder. Just look at the idiotic shoulder lights they were issued!

S.M

Jun-08-2016 3:03 PM

There's no definitive explanation. Nothing suggests anyone else on the Sulaco.  Bishop has neither time, nor opportunity, nor motive. His actions in the film directly contradict any notion that he smuggled an egg back to the ship.

 

I came up with a theory a long time ago, that mostly works, but still has holes. Queen rescued an untorched egg from the nursery when she detached from her eggsac and placed the egg between the spines on her back. This is to protect it from Ripley and also also explains how he never see it when the Queen is coming after Ripley and Newt as they wait for the elevator (since we never see the Queen from the rear in that sequence).

 

Once the dropship docks, the Queen hocks some acid onto the hull inside the landing gear well, places the egg inside the dropship structure, and the remnants of this acid is what burns into the deck next to Bishops foot.

Necronom 4

Jun-08-2016 3:28 PM

I signed in a few hours ago to post more rants but saw this thread and thought I would have a go at trying to come up with a logical explination for how the egg/s got onboard the Sulaco.

Then, after reading the OP and a few replies, I suddenly felt the urge to watch it. So I did watch it,(the assembly cut) again, for the 100th time.

Anyway, I was originally going to reply with; ALIEN 3 was first conceived through FOX and, therefore Brandywine, hoping that they could cash in further and capitalise on the wants and naivety's of the general film goers, (while taking short cuts of course to save money.) 

I'm fairly certain that neither FOX and/or Brandywine had any idea what-so-ever how they were going to explain how the egg/s got on-board.

It was essentially a case of; "Let's just kick it off with this and then just leave it upto them (us) to figure out.

And low and behold, we are here, after all this time, STILL debating about how the egg/s got on-board the sulaco.

The truth is, it's anybody's guess really. I think Gavin has a very good theory which could probably hold up in a future instalment if ever that question came up again. But, the fact that he and certain other people just assume that Bishop is 100% trustworthy just because he makes a statement to the effect of "I can't harm a person, or allow a person to be harmed," just doesn't make sense to me.

Is Bishop a Company android? If the answer is yes then surely he would be programmed with certain protocols in order to obtain a specimen?

Is it not possible that He/it was programmed by the Company to misdirect/manipulate the crews and especially Ripley's concerns about AP's by being the perfect gentleman but secretly gaurding the companies main agenda?

Therefore, I've come to the conclusion that the culprit is Bishop. 

The poster was good though!

 

S.M

Jun-08-2016 3:34 PM

If it was Bishop (who is ECA and not Weyland-Yutani) where's the evidence?

 

And there's no need to get hung up on androids being programmed. They don't necessarily need to be programmed - you just issue them an order.

Necronom 4

Jun-08-2016 3:41 PM

@S.M You're picking again! If you don't stop picking, it will never heal! :)

The poster was good though!

 

Engineer Tech Brett

Jun-08-2016 3:44 PM

@S.M

True, theres no evidence but the idea that its Bishop or that there is someone else seems most believable. For me anyway.

The biggest problem would be why is the egg where it is? Maybe the Queen wasn't the only Alien that came up with them.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Necronom 4

Jun-08-2016 3:50 PM

@S.M. To answer your question, I really don't understand James Camerons mind but I'm sure it's full of grandiose, pretentious shite!

I don't read the novels or comics because they tend to not be canon.

It would stand to reason that they would programme or (in your reckoning) ask nicely that the android secures a specimen. 

The poster was good though!

 

S.M

Jun-08-2016 3:50 PM

@Engineer Tech Brett - One of the main problems with any theory is we don't know where it is. There's no point of reference with the previous film.

S.M

Jun-08-2016 3:57 PM

@Necronom 4 - The ICC is the Interstellar Commerce Commission. Which was a mistake on my part, which I changed to ECA (Extrasolar Colonisation Administration). Both of these entities are not part of Weyland-Yutani and both are referenced in the second film.

Neither would be cavalier about smuggling dangerous organisms, and even if they were, Bishop had two live facehuggers to take back, and when Ripley said she wanted them destroyed he had the perfect opportunity to lie and agree to destroy them. Instead he exposed Burke's desire to return them.

Necronom 4

Jun-08-2016 4:10 PM

Yes ICC (quarantine) was mentioned in ALIENS, but how do you know they were not connected to WY? That wasn't in the film.

Have you been reading them books again? It's very questionable that they are canon.

With regards to those two live facehuggers that Bishop was drooling over; is it not possible that those particular specimens were destroyed in one particular scene of the film?  

The poster was good though!

 

S.M

Jun-08-2016 4:30 PM

All the novels released since Out Of The Shadows are canon, but no I'm not referencing them.

 

The ICC is a regulatory body and not part of WY. If it were, Burke wouldn't need to smuggle anything past quarantine.

 

Not sure of the point you're trying to make in regards to the two live huggers.  They were shot by Hudson and Vasquez, but this was some time after Ripley asked Bishop to destroy them.

Necronom 4

Jun-08-2016 4:35 PM

"All the novels released since Out Of The Shadows are canon, but no I'm not referencing them."

Really?

The poster was good though!

 

Batchpool

Jun-08-2016 4:45 PM

I think Burke could possibly be an android. Bishops states that there was an alien with them all the way. That could mean from Gateway. If so, then Burke could be responsible for that. After all, Burke is able to free two facehuggers onto Ripley and Newt in medlab without being facehugged himself. But even before then Burke says to Ripley that she has ‘our’ word about wanting to wipe out the xenos. I would expect a person to say ‘my’, not ‘our’.  Even when Burke finally comes face to face with a xeno, we never actually witness his demise. Burke is completely ignorant of Ripleys feelings about androids, and it is only after Bishops cuts himself, that Burke is forced to confront the issue of what happened with Ash. Ash of course, who was out to protect the xeno at all costs.

We are told in Aliens that thousands of eggs were on board the derelict, so why the need for a queen. The queen as far as we know only comes about after the colony on LV426 is exposed. The existence of a queen would be a game changer for the company, but up to the point of knowing about the possibility of a queen, putting eggs on the Sulaco before setting off from Gateway would make sense. The Nostromo only needed one xeno to wipe out the crew and the crew were expendable. Ash was prepared to go with this plan, and if Burke was an android, then Burke would be happy to see out a similar plan.

The derelict must have been discovered previously by the company to extract eggs, and maybe only androids would be able to carry eggs without disturbing them. 20 yrs of colonists on LV426, yet no one goes out looking for something to discover? This is explained when Newts family go looking for the derelict, because they went looking on company orders, and more importantly, only if their discoveries are honoured by the company. The company obviously had a reputation for not honouring peoples rights.

The outcome of what happened on LV426 might not have worked out how Burke planned, but he certainly had a big hand in overseeing all aspects of company business on LV426, which is why I think he was and android who wanted to complete and extend Ash’s mission.

S.M

Jun-08-2016 4:59 PM

Burke says "my" in the script and that's what it sounds like in the film.

 

If Burke wanted to complete Ash's mission why didn't he do it when the colony was first established?

Aorta

Jun-08-2016 7:31 PM

Shoulda been because Newt was Eggmorohed, I'm tellin ya.

Ha ha, I'm dictating as I do oyster things and that line autocorrected to 'Should've been because nudes was egg borscht'.

Anyway. Not that there would've been any viable explanation for that outcome, either, but it sure would've been some hard-core fun. Imagine, Ripley realizing she had been face hugged by what was left of Newt.

Edit: OTHER, not oyster

 

BigDave

Jun-09-2016 1:43 AM

Well Alien 3 was very ambigious...

The "it was with us all the way" and "company knows everything"

Could mean a number of things, for one it could be they have Logs of the Fire in Cryo Chamber only, and so to assume how Bishop knew it was a Alien, then maybe he assumed this because the ships log detected a life form/ping movement when the only people on the ship was Ripley, Hicks and Newt oh and Bishop.

But it could go deeper as far as if the company was aware, now i wandered if Bishop had 2nd orders and he put it there, but then there is no proof of this, there is no proof for any way that the Egg Got on board.

I am going to make these few observations.

*If there was a 2nd Android or Bishop had the Egg, (Eggs) then why would he (Bishop) had placed it hidden the way he did... he would surely not have know what would happen with the Queen ripping him apart and so the Egg would have had to had been placed prior.

Would he not had tried to hide it someplace, and then place it near one of the 3 survivors when in cryo sleep?

If there was another Android who was onboard then likewise would they had not placed the Egg near the Cryo Sleep and opened one... this would have prevented the Fire.... and if there was another Android did he leave in a escape module?

*Are we too assume the Sulaco is destroyed?

*I dont by the secret mission of Marines hidden on board, but it cant be ruled out... but then surely they would have a plan to had infect someone on board or to safely store the Eggs and not place it where the one was shown... stuck upside down... think of that for a moment.

THEREFORE...

I can only Logically conclude that the Queens Process of creating the Eggs is something goes on inside of the body and smaller eggs are held, that are then passed into the ovipositor where they grow.

So maybe the Queen has a few undeveloped Eggs that are stored inside her and she deposited them on the ship and they then grew?

I buy this because we dont see the Queen with any Eggs as she was chasing after Ripley, but the Queen Sneaked on board.   And the biggest clue for me is  why would any one else or how would anyone else be able to place a Egg upside down so it sticks to the surface in that way?

Again this was a problem of not really putting much thought into the whole process...

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Gavin

Jun-09-2016 2:04 AM

In my previous post, I pretty much washed over why Burke and Ripley were assigned to join the marines to investigate Hadley's Hope...

Burke was an opportunist and greedy with it, I imagine he was either assigned to ensure Ripley and the marines deaths while grabbing specimens of the xenomorph, or he uncovered the truth about LV-426 after he was assigned as Ripleys liaison and saw the opportunity to make a power play in the WY ranks.

The execs at WY likely will have seen Burkes success rate as low, and rather than depend on the greedy git instead trusted in a black ops, special forces type team. To ensure all loose ends are tied up the mission objectives of this second team would have been - remain hidden onboard the Sulaco, wake before the marines, head down to the derelict after the marines, returning with eggs in time for when Bishop remote controls the second dropship. Then with Ripley, Newt, Hicks and bishop failing to succumb to the xenomorphs the "wetsuits" were ordered to leave one of the eggs in the cryosleep area before dispatching in one of the dropships to meet with the USS Patna. 

In short, a WY sanctioned team of hard arses, hidden aboard the Sulaco place one of the eggs they got from the derelict, as per their mission, to ensure no-one survived the mission... remember; crew expendable.

Why not Bishop though? Though he could have been overridden by WY, he didn't have enough time, and Ripley would have checked for any eggs after having to face a Queen.

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