How Alien: Covenant will link to Alien

1 and 2 are very intersting

3...dont think it makes sense in the way that....whatever comes out from the engineer it will be the new movie covenant alien species.....whatever comes out from a engineer chestburster must be sometype of ultramorph alien related.

the creature that layed those eggs was certainly a queen....still...where was the queen...we also know queens lay eggs dont impregnate humans therefore engineers with chestbursters.

so way i see it...homeworld engineers create a new breed of queen xeno...that will triger some events on their homeworld....and at some point david creates the queen human xeno or facehugger on naomi the spacejockey....and i think naomi gonna be the one giving birth to it....to explain the eggs...still this doesnt explain the fact of what happened to the chestburster that came out from spacejokey thingy if wasnt naomi...it was certainly different creature from a engineer and one that doesnt lay eggs unless was a queen but do facehuggers give birth to queens? theres only 1 queen per hive they need to explain better the alien hierarchy of creation aswell thats why i think they will introduce the 3 stages again on the new one..anyways the point 2 is very intersting.

There are many many possible ways to explain it all......

I however do not buy into the time of events after 2094....  the Xeno and Derelict do not happen after this event, or in Covenant.... i could be wrong... but all the clues and what Ridley has said add to a different case...

Lets look at the Derelict event.... first from on-screen, to Prometheus, then to Ridleys comments and others..

1) Alien showed the Space Jockey, and Dalas said it had been dead a long time and fossilised. the impression was this had been there a very long time.. certainly more than 28 years after the events of Prometheus to Alien. How long.. who knows certainly very long.

2) Promethues the Temple Complex, had Urns of Black Goo, a Mural that had a Xeno-esque Organism and Two kinds of Face Hugger (other two Giger Alien concepts) and we also see Frescos one has a Organism that has some Xeno traits, next to a Engineer, and the other a Xeno Egg being held by a Xeno Hands.? or more so the same hands as the not so Xeno looking Creature in the other Fresco.... these things was all created before the outbreak that was dated at about 2000 years prior to Prometheus timeline of 2093/2094.

3) The Jugernaught Holograms shows 4 Engineers preparing to set off and go into Cryo Sleep, the Cryp Pods all had Holes in then apart from one..  These Holes are to Small for the Deacon at the end of the Movie.... the Prop behind those Cryo Pods showed Engineer Dummies, with Chest Buster Holes that was larger than the Space Jockeys per proportion.. however the holes in the Cryo Pods themselves are smaller... and uniform with normal Chest Buster...  These Holes however could have been caused by Face Huger burning a Hole to get to the Engineers we cant rule that out.

This event does not have to have been directly the same time as the LV-223 outbreak i.e other Ghost Engineer Scene.... the Jugernaught could have been there before or after and by that it could have been there any number of years before or after.. 10, 20, 50, 100 who knows... but it could had occuried within the same day as the outbreak.

Futher get information on the Spaights draft, his concept work the Engineers was in Space Jockey suits that was more similar to the one in Alien and had same size Chest Buster Holes... Also the Surviving Engineer in Spaights draft was... infected before he went into Cryo Sleep, he knew he was infected...

Sacrifice is something Engineers do.... Gigers Alien Mural showed this and his Face Huger Concepts.

4) Micheal Biehn in a interview about Alien 5, said that it was on Hold due to Alien: Covenant that was set on different worlds but followed the same kind of theme, and Alien Covenant would be set thousands of years prior to Alien and Aliens, he said thats how it was explained to him.

There is no reason to doubt how he would have this information mixed up.

5) The Weyland Viral Site confirms the Company had discovered signal of potentially Alien Origin in the Zeta 2 System on a Moon LV-426 Acheron as of May 14th 2039

6) Ridley had said a few times way before Prometheus that the Derelict was  there for thousands of years.... After Prometheus he even said what happened... this is the Space Jockey had got infected with his Cargo, and he had to try and quarantine his cargo and set of a SOS beacon to his fellow Race to warn that the Cargo had been compremised.

Ridley futher at later date said the Derelict had not Crashed as per say, and that it had ended up on LV-426 a few hundred years within the events on LV-223 that killed off all but one Engineer thus 1800-2200 years prior to Prometheus give or take.

He futher proposed that the Derelict had set off from some place with a Cargo, and that the Ship did not get far before the Pilot and Cargo was compremised..  In addition his very last statement on the Derelict was that he was infected by his Cargo, something got out.. something  had evolved in the Cargo Hold, thats the story there.

It is these reasons that i think the Derelict was a event thousands of years ago....

The short distance would sugest it never got far.... what is short in terms of Engineers Ships...  a Plane from London to Paris is a Short Journey... a Train would take longer... Walking it would take much longer...

Either the Derelict was heading to LV-223 with a Cargo to be stored or experimented on  but only got as far as LV-426... this is a bit of a coinsidence however.... Or it was heading from LV-223 but never got far....

Here is the problem....   the Xeno from Face Hugger to Chest Buster is a event that takes upto 24 hours... certainly at least 6 if we are talking fastest way.. this is assumption and maybe Engineers Gestate a Xeno faster?  we cant be sure because the Deacon Chest Buster could have happened a long time after David and Shaw left LV-223.

If we assume 6 hours.. or less.. lets assume LV-426 is indeed around the same Gas Giant never mind the same System... as LV-223...  how long would a Engineer Ship take to take off from LV-223.. then the Engineer manages to inspect his Cargo Hold, leaving the Safety of his Chair.. or even for a Face Huger to escape?  How long after take off does this happen?

We are supposed to believe that either during flight or as he was about to leave, he gets infected either by exploring the Cargo Hold (but look how hard it was to get to) or by a escaped Face Huger.. how long are we talking from departure, to Face Hug to Crash on LV-426

when we consider how close LV-426 and LV-223 are... and how fast a Engineer ship can travel... i cant see how the ship would end up on LV-426 from LV-223 and leave enough time for a Face Hugger and then Chest Buster...  never mind then set off the SOS. not in that short a journey.

Here are some clues... Ridley said the Derelict did not crash.... so he could have known he was infected and then landed on LV-426 and set off the SOS, we have to ask why was he still in his chair and why did he have his hands on the controls?  It seemed like he was trying to land it and so maybe he got Chest Buster as he was about to Land?

Then we have to consider the length of time again from Face Hug to Gestate a Xeno... and if its escaped Xeno how did it Face Hug Him?

This was a Mystrey.... one that Prometheus answered.....  Our Engineers go into Cryo Sleep with no such Mask, it would be easier for a Face Huger to infect a Engineer in Cryo Sleep than a Space Jockey Suit we would assume.... not without damage to the Space Jockey Mask.

Engineers seemed to have been Chest Busted on the Jugernaught...

We now go to Ridley... he said, the Derlect happend within a few hundred years of the LV-223 outbreak... ok.... now he also said in his latest comment a while ago about the Derelict that the Cargo had Evolved...    Jugernaughts had Urns...  we see they are connected to the Xeno genetically....  The Engineers on the Jugernaught are Chest Busted... how did this happen... Sabotage?

How can we explain all this, how about the Space Jockey getting infected while he had his mask? and how about how he never got far before he had to crash land the Derelict on near by LV-426...

HERE IS MY THEORY....... it may have holes... parden the pun... just one thing that fits with everything we have seen... but it maybe has a few flaws... Urns to Eggs?  Eggs in the Fresco?

I think that we are on LV-223 some 2000 years ago, a outbreak happens, somehow we dont know, and its hard to figure the cause....  Engineers try to run to the Mural Room, why? we see the Attmosphere in there manages to somehow keep the Urns from leaking etc.. only when Humans contaminate it.... maybe runing to that Room would slow down the infection?

Some Engineers, rush into Cryo Sleep for protection....  maybe they are infected before hand? i doubt it... (even though Spaights draft sugests it).   Our Space Jockey also does the same.

They are in there Cryo Sleep, the ships doors shut off from the outpost...  the outbreak takes fold... something is infected and evolves....  these get to the one Juggernaught 3 of them and burn holes into the Cryo Pods and Face Hug the 3 Engineers....

The same thing happens to the Space Jockey... he is awoken from a Cryo Pod, maybe located differently some few hundred years latter and sets off on his mission to earth... he does not know he is infected and he has been for a while by the time he sets off, he then realises whats happend and set down the ship on LV-426 to Quarantine the Now infected Cargo... and set off a SOS... in the last moments of his decent, he begins the Chest Busting Process..

This theory has some holes, but thats due to the inconsistant nature of the clues within the movies.... maybe the Organism that Chest Busted then evloved the Eggs...  who knows...

I will add that with the above i have to wonder about the Fresco Egg and also i dont buy the Urns become Eggs theory....  So the Xeno Orgins are by no means certain....  another theory is the Urns are re-weaponizing of the Eggs... i can go into detail on how this would fit too.

But there is another aspect..... HR Giger... his idea was the Ships Cargo Hold, had like giant Bio-Mechanical Pregnant Bellies that would give birth to the Eggs that are then placed into the Cargo Hold, his concept shows this and the actual Derelict Cargo Hold has these only slightly different.

If we look at Gigers Alien Mural... there is Derelict shaped object that has a Xeno head, this object has a Eye in the centre where the openings on the Juggernaught/Derelict are... from this we see a worm/sperm thing then a Egg as if somehow its showing us the Derelict creates a Worm like Parasite that evolves into the Egg....

Maybe we cant throw that idea out either?

i read eveyrhting you mentioned andi gottta say you know a lott so when i throw soemthing outhere plis point me out where and why doesnt fit.

how can we explain the green goo davidtouches? its exactly the same green goo that ppl touch in the avp movies...that part in the tunel where he grabs the gun or in alein ressurection..its exactly the same green goo....however..there were no aliens there either

in the collection scene where the engineer talks...he doesnt kil them right away.....he asked why wwere they there..and then what they wanted..weyland shows off his creation ..david...and then he says he is capble of creating aswell thus deserves eternal life...so i guess engineer got mad and realised what they created aswelll..and he rips david apart to show te creation is not perfect and that humans became greedy and selfish...hence why they want to change us...evolve us with the black goo..to a perfect race at their eyes wich are the xenomorphs.

also i dont know why but when i look at a engineer i see black goo resemblance in their eyes...maybe its connected? its their blood weaponised with other creatures blood..or lab crafted? but would they do it in their paradise? i dont think so.

we also know they have ritual sacrifices as the engineer in the beggining sacrifices himself and theres some scenes about it aswell out there.

they are called engiiineers  cuz they design life create life and evolve life...so there purpose is not to kill us but to evolve us...to xenos...maybe its their gods..? maybe their god is the 1st xeno..the perfect organism and they create and change people to their image?

theres some connnection in this....someone made them..them made us...we made david

david will play with us...we will play with them....are they playing with their creators?

do xenos obbey to engineers? does a deacon ?...are xeno weapons or just superior race and evolution.

normal xenomorphs born from humans are not capable enough to mindblow and amaze people...they acctually not that inteligent either...they lik ants...with a queen...but they are not superior inteligence

whatever david creates wont resemble the normal xenos agree? it must be more viscious ...evolved...inteligent...

personally i want them to introduce a type of alien tat is the size of a queen...but way more inteligent...and way more powerfull...ould a ultramorph be the answer? ridley said they would make one that is based on that ultramorph..and david would play a part in its creation.

but what about the deacon...it must have more to it..the way it was conceived was unusual agree? we probably wont seee another halloway getting infected....sexing his vrgin mary...she giving birth to a huge facehugger who inpregnates a engineer...its one time event...therefore the deacon is unique.

i assume..that if a normal facehugger gets a engineer whatever spawns must be different then a deacon aswell.

they did a human conection to it on purpose not by coincidence..therefore i think..the deacon is the known creature ridley said and the new one s made by david based on ultramorph..and i have no doubt in my ind shaw will be the vessel for it.she wil have a small role

the colony ship covenant yes we have to assume they sent it to a world they know its terraformed...you need to terraform to then send people to live there.

could this covenant ship be lured on purpose by david? david gets to paradise....sees destruction...or causes destruction...creates the xeno organism....imforms weyland that everything is ok..they can send people there the air is fine its paradise...so covenant on its way

hes free remember? weyland died david purpose died aswell and hes now free to play god himself

could this be the plot...then we go back to lv 223 and lv446 on the upcoming movies.

but where are the other engineers and what kind of higher race will we find..if we will find it...think maybe more glances on paradise while david plays with shaw and etc explaining to her eveyrhting . but certainly think we will se more engineers for sure.

wow so much stuff covered, i can see pages of replies to discus this ;) Start with the Deacon.

 "its one time event...therefore the deacon is unique.

 i assume..that if a normal facehugger gets a engineer whatever spawns must be different then a deacon aswell."

I fully agree it was a random series of events that led to the Deacon rather than one single event such as the Hammerpedes and Fifield.... so the Deacon is kind of Unique... it would be good to explore it in future but i am not sure it will be, it does leave the potential to do something different, maybe it would be more Intelligent as the Xenomorphs seem to be profoundly efficient and adaptable to the purpose that seems to Procreate, they seem to have limited social interaction and so indeed a Colony of Ants but with more Intelligence than say Apes.

 So maybe the Deacon would be more Intelligent? And we could find a new interesting method of Procreation which i think it would have because thats what the Xeno seemed to do as its prime function.

 I would assume that a Traditional Xenomorph Face Huger and Engineer would produce a different Organism, one that would be more similar to the Xenomorph but with slight differences and one being size, i would assume a Engineer Xenomorph would stand 50% to double the size of a Xenomorph Human (8ft)

 I will explain why the Deacon is different as quick as i can.... If we consider and accept the Goo (Urns on LV-223) seems to Evolve life that it came into contact with and pass on Xeno Traits.... we can then assume that either Holoways Sperm had been infected with this Xeno DNA or that the Goo had evolved into some bacterial organism that could also interact with and effect one of Shaws Eggs.

 The (LV-223) Goo + Organism = Hybrid Mutation when it comes into contact with a Organism.

 A Human Egg or Mammals, when Fertilised enters its first stages of becoming a Embryo almost every Lifeform on Earth at this stage looks near identical, especially if we look at Mammals, Birds, Fish, Reptiles and so the very first process where a Egg Forms into a Embryo they are all near enough the Same... A BLANK CANVAS so to speak.

 If we assume this, which is infact a FACT.... then you infect this Blank Canvas with Xeno DNA Goo, it has far less DNA to Re-write and this is why the resulting Organism the Trillobyte was the most similar to anything Xeno in the movie, it was for all intensive purposes a Face Huger, that lead to a Chest Buster. This was the Money Shot... the Scene that Ultimately was to show a connection between the Experiments and Black Goo Bio-Weapon and Xeno....

 However the Organism grew from a Human Egg and so it would also carry Human Traits and thus the Trillobite was a Human/Xeno Hybrid... evidence is shown at the Chest Buster Scene, the Deacon is large in size and it seems fully formed, it has Human Fingers and Feet and not the Xenomorphs. It has Enamel Teeth and not Metallic. And Finally it was born with a Placenta.

As far as the Covenant and David....

I am not so sure, the company would send in a Colony ship to be infected i would assume they would send a Science Division and Military Backing, but its not the first time the company may have sent Civilian's to a fate that the company knew what to a degree was going to happen, both the Nostromo and Hadleys Hope fit in with this..

We cant be certain that David would send back a message to Earth, that Prometheus Mission failed and they had not found any remants alive of the so called Creators of Mankind, but that he (David) did manage to find out that LV-223 was not a place they came from and that David is now on his way with one of their (Engineer) ships  to find these creators of Mankind.

He could send something like this, but i doubt Shaw would allow such a thing, i think he would have to do it while she is in Cryo-Sleep and then its how does Engineer Tech and Coms work as far as with ours... well we did detect the Space Jockey SOS, so we cant rule this out.

I am not so sure David would do this, i think he wants to keep the secrets of the Engineers to himself and has his own Agenda... so i think the Covenant would be sent out to discover a new world to Collonise on, maybe they are within a near by system and David detects them.. and relays a message to the ship that gets them or its Sythetic to change the destination and head to Paradise, or what ever Planet David is on....  This could be another possible angle.

Another is the ship detects Shaws SOS and finds out where David and Shaw are going, but i doubt this because surely they would heed the SOS of Shaw and be cautious, or are they as un-cautious as the crew of Prometheus was?  If they are near LV-223 which means they could be few Light Years away, just only as far as to recieve the SOS, would they then set off to go after where David and Shaw are going...?   we dont know when the Covenant set off on its voyage, and we dont know when David arrived at Paradise but i think some time has passed between both.... The Covenant could persue latter date after finding the co-ordinants... 

But then why would they be hopping to find Uncharted Paradise and all they find its David? to me this means they was expecting to find a World that was very alive with Plant Life, Water and all the things that would make a Perfect 2nd Earth Habitat....   if we went with the above Scenerio they would be expecting to find David, and expecting to find a World of creation and maybe be cautious too.

To me i think its unexpected, and so a way around this could be the Company or another does send a mission to the System and find the SOS and somehow where David and Shaw are heading.... the company who owns the Covenant then realise they have a ship kind of near that area of the Galaxy in search of a Earth like World, and so the Company then contacts the Ship which may have a Synthetic while the crew is in Hyper Sleep and they get the Ships computer or the Synthetic to then alter the course of the Ship to head towards the location of Paradise instead.

I think the above ^^^ is something that could be whats happend, or if not then the Covenant has simply been sent on a mission to a detected Earth like World, where they and those who detected this far distance possible Earth like World was unware this place is where the Engineers came from, or even who the Engineers are and not aware of David and Shaw heading there...

Maybe the Covenants Sythetic could know a bit in these two.. this assumes it has one..

"could this be the plot...then we go back to lv 223 and lv446 on the upcoming movies"

LV-223  has to be covered at some point, thats not to say it would do.. but it would leave one COLOSSAL Plot Hole.....  you see as far as Aliens.... the Company had set up a Colony to Tera-form LV-426 the Hadleys Hope Colony gets overran by Xeno Infestation in the year 2179

Within the time frame from the Nostromo's mission to LV-426 in 2122 and when the Sulaco had arrived within the system to find out what become of the Hadleys Hope Colony in the year 2179, we have to ask.... did the company ever wonder what happened to the Nostromo and send a mission to LV-426 well the Zeta 2 system?   And certainly at some point prior to 2179 the Hadleys Hope Colony had been set up and so the system prior to that would have been inspected for potential reason to set up a Colony i am not sure if a date was given ever for when Hadleys Hope had been set up, but Rebecca Newt was born there and so the place had been set up since at very least 2170 and i think it was mentioned it had been there for 20 years and so that means that we have to ask from sometime 2150 onwards where we know that a Colony Was set up on LV-426 wich would have taken a number of ships and journeys to set up.

How did none of them become aware of Shaws SOS, how come no Colony is mentioned or mission to LV-223 as it seems a far more habitable place than LV-426.

Then we have to ask, why does the company go to the effort to optain a Xenomorph from Hadleys Hope, and why after Aliens and the destruction of Hadleys hope does the company have to go the route of trying to optain Ripley on Fiorina 161 due to her carrying a Xeno Queen?

Why by the time of Alien 3, nevermind Alien Resurection does the company not go to LV-223.

LV-223 has more Riches to be had... it is potentialy the cradle of creation, which Prometheus mission determined this may not be the case..... even so surely they would investigate LV-223 at somepoint between 2094 and 2050+ 

Where they would find... many more better things to be had than the Derelict.

* Potential for Crashed Prometheus Wreckage, The Life Boat and what Date it may have. (not to mention a dead Engineer and Trillobite)

* Crashed Juggernaught ship, with its Cargo (what state is that in?)

* The Temple Mound, Outpost. (Hammerpedes).

* Other Temple Complexes, that may not be as compremised?

* Many more Engineer Ships... David only took one of the Many!

* Deacon on the loose somewhere near by.

So yes why go  through all the effort in Aliens, never mind Alien 3 and Alien R when LV-223 has more rewards to reap?

This has to be answered..... The Fire and Stone Comics answered this, but in a way that is contradictory to the timeline of Aliens... as far as again Alien 3 and Alien R, but in context of Fire and Stone, again something can and must have happened to LV-223 from the timeline of after Aliens and before Alien R.....    This same kind of event must also be explained in the Alien Movie Franchise as its a Plot Hole..

The Comics are not Canon, though they are a alternative set within the Universe of the AVP Comics and Games (not movies) and thus within Alien timeline of events 2100-2300....  And Fire and Stone is set within the time period of Aliens there abouts.... but while it is a kind of Canon to the AVP Comics and Games..... it is not one for Alien/Prometheus...  but similar themes had been explored.

So yes as far as Alien/Prometheus there would have to be a explanation of what happens to LV-223 by the time of Aliens....

Alien 5 gives us the biggest clues towards LV-223.... Blomkamps Alien 5 was set not to far after Aliens, where the company had optained a Engineers Juggernaught Ship, Blomkamp did not say where this came from.... but it would likely had been the Derelict on LV-426 after the destruction of Hadleys Hope in 2179... but then if so... why did the company not have a look at LV-223 for another one?

Or they recovered it from LV-223, either the crashed Juggernaught or another... however Alien 5 had Traditional Xenomorphs (as well as new versions) and so maybe it was the Derelict they had optained, which means what about LV-223?

Seems Alien 5 had conflicted with some ideas that Ridley had for Prometheus and maybe as far as connection to Engineers Tech, and what is left to obtain as of the end of Aliens... It seems that Fox and Ridley have sat down looked at Blomkamps ideas for Alien 5 and Prometheus Paradise Lost,  and tried to figure away to change elements so that the movie franchises dont dread on each others toes...

Alien 5 has a change of direction...  Micheal Biehn in a Interview said the movie is on Hold, but it would be set some 20+ years after Aliens, and it would follow Ripley and Hicks and Newt, and hints Newt would be passed the torch by Ripley..... well Blomkamps Original Concept works did not show a Ripley or Hicks 20+ years older, or even Newt!

He also said that Alien: Covenant is set on a different world but with similar themes, and it is set thousands of years prior to Aliens.

So how would Alien 5 tackle the idea that 20+ years after Aliens the company manages to get its hands on the Derelict or a Engineer Ship.... from where?  LV-426... why wait 20+ years to do so?  And again why not go to LV-223? To obtain Engineer Tech and Bio-Weapons...

ANSWER could be Alien: Covenant, the clues now add up to by the time of Alien 5 which would be around about 2200 or so,  maybe there is now nothing to Salvage on LV-426.... and why in Aliens go to LV-426 (never mind Alien 3 and Alien R which may now be non-cannon) when LV-223 has Engineer Tech and Bio-Weapons...

If LV-223 is destroyed sometime between 2094 and 2050 this would explain the only avenue for the Xenomorph was the Derelict and those connected to it, Hadleys Hope, then Ripley etc. It would fill in the PLOT HOLE!

Then Alien 5 set in and around 2200 the company gets its hands on a Engineer Ship,  and Xenomorph?  How?

* do they salvage something from LV-426 some 20 years after Aliens but why wait that long?

* do they get something from LV-223, but then why not do that before Hadeys Hope, and does LV-223 have Xeno Eggs, as Alien 5 we have a Xeno Queen....

If both of these places by the time of Alien 5 in 2200 or abouts, has no LV-223 or LV-426 to salvage for Engineer Ships and Xenos.... then where else can they come from?

Answer is Paradise, and Covenant... the movie will re-introduce the Xeno.... i think the Prometheus 2 and Alien 5 Drafts and ideas have been changed so they can not only avoid stepping on each others toes... but also so they can connect directly to each other.

I feel that the aftermath of Alien: Covenant will lead to in future a way for the Company to obtain the Xenomorph and Engineer Tech..... but then how and why not before Alien 5 in 2200?

The answer could be that Alien: Covenant is set well after the events of Prometheus.. the start of Alien Covenant we see a Colony Ship that comes to Paradise and finds David on his own... i dont think this ship would get to Paradise shortly after Prometheus timeline of 2094.

David and Shaw... was heading to Paradise to find Engineers, that Ridley said at first they would find, and a whole lot of trouble would occur and they find out the Engineers are not nice, and in part get some Answers... Ridley hinted the Engineers are also not the top of the chain of Creation and also links to Paradise Lost Poem....

Now all this is seemingly dropped.... so David arrives on a Planet by himself, no Engineers and no Answers and either he finds... or most likely the crew of Covenant a Evolving creature that was created by THEM The Engineers or David using the Engineers Evil Biology?

Seems missed opportunity.... But they are comming in from the Back End, and answer the questions sooner rather than Latter.... so Covenant Crew finds David, we shall see some Evolving Creature and then Horror and some people are going to be killed, and somehow the movie then leads to Alien maybe directly? or as far as answers....

Then ask what does another 1-2 movies after this have to cover as far as what becomes of David, the crew of Covenant and this Evolving Creature never mind Shaw and the Engineers.... if there are no Engineers when David gets there and so he is on his own maybe with Shaw and wants to play God and Experiment again....  another 2 movies for the aftermath?

Nope! Think about it Prometheus 2 was about more than the Xeno, Ridley had said its been done over and over.... what we now have is a U-Turn.... a U-Turn that now changes the order of the Timeline...

I think Covenant will be set a fair time after the events of Prometheus, and that between Prometheus 2094 and Shaw and Davids journey and the Covenant arriving at Paradise... some other Event has happened... i think Covenant would be set after this event... it would cover clues to the Xeno.. so that Alien 5 can carry on without spoiling a Prometheus Story that ended up after 3rd movie answering the Xeno Origins... maybe...

Now they can get this out of the way... thus Alien: Covenant is Part 1 of a Alien Prequel, that is going in from the Back End..... thus we are going Prequel, to Prequel to Prequel.... So what i am saying is Alien Covenant will give clues to Alien..  but it is a movie set after Alien, and Aliens... well the main Plot is (Covenant Crew and Paradise and David).   so they had planed a Prometheus 2, and 3 and by the end connect the dots...

Now they have thrown in a idea a Plot that would be a Sequel to what ever David and Shaw was going to do, that also leads to a Prequel to Alien 5....  this Plot lets say Plan B... is now fitted into Prometheus Franchise as a new Alien Prequel one, going the back route... (backwards).

Thus we now ideas of Prometheus 2 and 3,  that is now in a order like this Prometheus 3B, Prometheus 2 and then Prequel to Prometheus (Space Jockey event)... this is done in reverse and in a way that we shall see Flash Backs from other events cross over within the context of the next movie...

Prometheus 3B AKA Alien Prequel 1.... i feel could link to Alien 5 as to where the company gets the Alien/Engineer Tech and Weapon from....  i think that Covenant will not get to Paradise untill some time after Alien and maybe Aliens... i think that after the aftermath either David brings a Juggernaught to Earth... or the company somehow find out about the aftermath of Covenants Mission, and sends a ship to Salvage a Juggernaught....

I feel LV-223 would have to be covered as far as its destruction sometime after Prometheus 2094 and prior to Hadleys Hope 2050... and maybe this would be a B Plot to Prometheus 2 thats now Alien Prequel 2.....   I also think that Alien Prequel 3 could also be about the Space Jockey and cover the History and Reasons for LV-223 Outpost and Outbreak..

Just a hunch mind...

As far as the Slime.... yes thats odd and we have to wonder what role this plays...  The Drafts in detail seem to point out that this substance somehow is a commincations device, well its a technolgy that acts kind of like how we use Silicone and Gold in electronic comments to communicate... and also Radio Waves and Signals (how Phones and Wifi works).

This slime could contain similar functions. thats kind of loosely what the drafts explained, you see they was more detailed with every aspect that we never saw on screen.  For example it describes when David looks at his finger his eye can magnify like a Microscope and he sees Organic Material and Strands of DNA.   Then he says "BIG THINGS HAVE SMALL BEGININGS"

As far as The Engineers.... and the Conversation with David, we need to throw that out... NEVER HAPPENED... not in the full way, same as the Elders... they may not exist.. EVER! Not like that...

These Scenes and others had been cut to portray the Engineers in a more simple role, a more minor role and thus just Biological Terminators...

If we dont throw them out, and remember we have not even seen the Total Scenes even on the Deleted Sections... Then it Paints a picture about some of the Engineers that could lend some weight to a Sabotage?

The Engineer awakens and he seems intrigued especially with Shaw...  a rough Translation is this...

Weyland gets David to tell the Engineers, why them came as they (Engineers asked). 

Engineer replies that they did not invite them, and why have they come...

Weyland gets David to tell the Engineer, about how he is dying and wants to know if the Engineer can grant him more life...

Engineer is insulted and he asks how dare this man stand before me and ask me for more life, why should you be granted such a gift.

Weyland then talks to the Engineer about how he created David, and how Weyland is a creator and a God, and Gods never Die....

The Engineer rips Davids head off.... however.. David and Whyte learned many more Dialect than that... we can assume David translates in part what Weyland said, this is when the Engineer realises David may not be real and touches his head and then goes Postal.

During the conversation... Shaw is in the back ground asking Questions, the Engineer is interested in her... he then sees, this Old Man ordering the Female to be Silenced, as though her Questions are irelevent and that this Weyland sees himself and his plight above that of his fellow Humans...

This with the Questions Weyland wants.. shows the Engineer that indeed Mankind has not redeemed itself... Mankind is still Selfish and Power Hungry and now they have created life of their own.. Life that can communcate with the Engineers and thus use their Technology.

This group of Humans can also travel the Stars and reach the LV-223 outpost... which means others know of its location...

At this point the Engineer simply can not let Mankind get its hands on the Secrets of LV-223 as Mankind could be a threat to the Galaxy and Engineers themselves and so off he goes to finish the job his brothers started...

THIS ^^^^  i think its a good explanation...

We also see when he confronts Shaw, before this he is ammused and amazed at the Violin Girl, and in a not shown Scene, he finds a Book on the Floor and reads it well looks at it... this book is the Bible....   When he finds Shaw, he could have killed her easy...  its only after she hits him with the Axe that he then gets more agressive.

The Elder Scene showed a sense of purpose to the Engineers, and Sacrifice.... the full not shown Scene the on Elder and Sacrifical Engineer exhange Dialog... this Scene is only shown in part on the extras on the Blu-Ray... but its not full as we dont hear the Sacrifical Engineer who had dialog Actor Daniel Twiss confirmed this.

These paint the Engineers in a different light....

But yes something happened that caused the Engineers or a Fraction of them to want to destroy us.... this is something i had hopped Prometheus 2 would answer.... hopefully the New Alien Prequels shall do by the time they are finished...  Ridley seemed to before be loosely going the route and themes of Paradise Lost in connection to Paradise, Earth, LV-223 and why we was created and then to be destroyed...

The idea that the eggs on the Derelict were layed by a Queen was something I always found questionable- for a few reasons. First of all, the mist covering the eggs is technology- the Xenomorphs do not have the intelligence to create something like that. Could they be just smart enough to turn it on and off like a light switch? Perhaps- but isn't that really stretching it? If they have that level of mind, I would exepct to see some other behavioral characteristics other than mindless aggression and procreation. Nah... the eggs were placed there by the Engineers and the mist kept them in some form of stasis. In fact, the mist lasers on most of the silos are burnt out and the eggs within now inert (from Kane's perspective, looking down/left). There are a lot of theories but at the end of the day there has to be some form of logical chronology. Now Ridley said that Prometheus and its sequels lead us "from the backend" into the events in ALIEN, illuminating what happened to the Space Jockey. Well, yes... but... which version?

Meaning: if he is sticking with the previous suggestion that the Derelict is thousands of years old, then there is low probability that the Prometheus film events (specifically involving the Prometheus crew I should clarify) directly lead to ALIEN. However... as of late he *is* suggesting that, no? So if that is the case, then the Derelict in ALIEN is just several decades old. The only way the first option will work is if the storyline in ALIEN: COVENANT will flashback a few thousand years and reveals events originating from that period; as per Dave: "Alien: Covenant is set on a different world but with similar themes, and it is set thousands of years prior to Aliens." OK, now that would make more sense. :)

I don't believe the Space Jockey was Shaw or some other human that put on the suit, for two reasons: (1) In ALIEN, the warning beacon was in the language of the Engineers. If it was Shaw or another human, why was the transmission not in English? (2) The suits appear tailored to fit the engineers, and in comparison to the original Space Jockey the engineer in Prometheus was too small as it was!

Your getting there now ;)

i spoke to some about this and they all think its the events of Covenant that lead to the Space Jockey.. our Space Jockey is either Shaw, David, or someone from the Covenant Crew.. on one last Engineer.... found on Paradise...

Sorry i dont buy none of that... well i hope!  You see The basis of Prometheus was to explore the SPACE JOCKEY Race... and midly the Xeno connection, Xenos have been done to death, (Ripley said so at the time) No one every explored the Space Jockey... so here came Prometheus which showed us a massive plot  as far as them being Humanoid Engineers who seem to have a hand in creation.

They U-Turned this to town down the Xeno elements and explore the ENGINEERS... they removed Engineer and Elder Scenes as they was not pleased with the outcome and wanted to portray who ever was above the Engineers in a more Godlike role.....  Blah Blah Blah... over last few years the Emphasis was on our Engineers and above rather than Xeno..

But then we had the U-Turn...

I dont think and hope Ridley is not throwing the Emphasis on Engineers and Creation and Agenda and where Engineers fit in... just to explore the Xeno...

So yes i dont think we will see the Space Jockey as anything but a Engineer... my post highlights why... and as you added...

"(1) In ALIEN, the warning beacon was in the language of the Engineers."

Excelent point and one i missed... but one thats valid and another is...

* Size... Dallas said the Space Jockey had grown out of its Chair... but the how can a 6ft Human become the 15ft Space Jockey... i dont buy that...

Thus i think the best way to look at the Saga now is this...... wipe out every Star Wars Movie...

Give us Phantom Menace.....

Then instead of the Clone Wars... we go to New Hope EP4, then EP 5, then EP 2 and EP 3 and finally EP 6.... but cut scenes from each as Flash Backs.....  In EP 4 when Obi Wan mentions the Clone Wars, we get some scenes from that movie..

its the way i think and hope they are going.... Ridleys comments sugested the Space Jockey event was 2000 years ago give or take few hundred..... LV-223 outbreak was 2000s years ago which means the Mural and Frescos (which had a Egg) where all over 2000 years ago... then the Goo had Xeno DNA connection but it could be a source of the Xeno DNA that evolves to the Xeno or comes from it....

Finally we have Micheal Biehns comments of Alien: Covenant being set thousands of years prior...

So we must have a movie that has more than one Plot Element.

Prometheus had Flash Back set 2091 the Cave painting.... then it was set late 2093....

But we had the Sacrificial (and Elder Cut Scene) that was set thousands if not Millions of years ago....  i think the next movie would have 3 Plot Devices in 3 time Zones.. the main being the events of Covenant, after a time David is on Paradise.. a other in small amount would give some clues to David getting there... with Shaw (but i think the 2nd movie would cover this in more detail) the 3rd plot being Engineers from thousands of years ago that i think the 3rd movie would cover in more detail including the Space Jockey.

What if the Juggernaut on LV-426 was a trap left by the Engineers? A trap for highly desirable intelligent alien species...i.e space traveling species.......Engineers have been visiting Earth for thousands of years...watching humans grovel in the mud....can't imagine they would want our Neaderthal DNA? Probably wanted something more evolved. So......The Space jockey could be an Engineer who sacrificed him/herself(The Engineer in the beginning of Prometheus didn't seem to have a problem with drinking wierd goo...he must have know what was going on?).

The Engineers could have wiped out humanity anytime they wanted. Cloud seeded the planet with black goo. Why didn't they? What are they waiting for.....Are we not worthy? Maybe primate/human DNA causes really stupid uncontrollable monsters.

Maybe it's an alien ritual. Crazy to us, but not to them.

The four Engineers battle it out on the new planet/moon for the honor of sacrificing one self. The winner sits in the jockey chair sets off the distress beacon then ingests a parasite! Glory be!    And sooner or later some space faring race will hear the beacon and come to take the eggs back to their homeworld.

Could be millions of derelicts out there...just waiting for space travellers.

Crazy idea...I know....but very alien.

"i spoke to some about this and they all think its the events of Covenant that lead to the Space Jockey.. our Space Jockey is either Shaw, David, or someone from the Covenant Crew.. on one last Engineer.... found on Paradise..."

Exploration of this concept is very tough... Shaw, David, or any other human would be too small to fit into that huge suit in ALIEN- even the bones that were bent outward are too damn big to be of human origin. In addition, the transmission was not in English, it was an eerie alien voice that sounded almost mechanical. But I am open-minded... please explain how Shaw or David being in the original Derelict, in that huge-ass suit, making that eerie-sounding transmission... all gels together. Yes we all hear people say things- doesn't mean it comes together conceptually. What I agree with Dave on is that Covenant will have more than a few plot threads; an ancient one, setting the stage for the events in ALIEN; and a post-Prometheus-events thread, whereby David sets off a series of unfortunate events that results in a nastier evolution of the original Xenomorph.

Oh... and while we're discussing how Covenant events lead to ALIEN, what is the covenant in the movie, anyway? Is it the agreement between David and Shaw? I somehow think it goes beyond that- any thoughts?

Well the whole Concept and how to fit in all the Gaps, is Huge, and so we cant really figure out anything for 100%.... if they had gone for the Engineers not existing and gave us a more Alien Race Space Jockey that had nothing to do with creation of Mankind, or nothing else and so merely like the Predators are... a Alien Race, who have some Bio-Weapon that they was carrying for some unknown reason.

This would have made the Franchise more simple to cover..... but they went the route they did and it opened up a Can of Worms and well they cant just ignore all of that now.

MonsterZero....

I think a Trap could have some inpact in the movie, its possible but i dont think the Space Jockey would landed on LV-426 as a Sacrifice for the purpose of leading Mankind to turn up.

LV-223 and clues i can buy into....

We cant be sure what route they are going as far as the whole connection with Space Jockey... but from what Ridley had said in the past and up uptil 6 months ago and all the clues...

The Space Jockey is a Alien Race that is related to the Engineers,  he was either a Engineer, or something above the Engineer or something below the Engineer... it could play on the whole God/Angels and Nephlim in which case God becomes Gods i.e a Race above the Engineers, and so the Space Jockey could be Gods/Hierarchy  Engineers/Fallen Angel/Angel or Nephlim/other being....

The Space Jockey was traveling from some place to another but did not get far... this could mean LV-223 to LV-426 but that sounds very short for a incubation period of a Xeno related Organism..... but not far in terms of the Engineers Travel could be a long distance... as far as how short is a journey for a Race whos Star Maps on their ships show other Galaxys never mind Star Systems...  I have a theory on all of this that i have sugested a few times but wont go into detail today.

The Space Jockey event has to be related to a time when these Engineers or a Faction desided to create and/or maybe unleash the Xeno Related Organisms or Biology and so the date of 2000 years ago is around the ball park that both LV-223 suffered that outbreak and LV-426 had a Engineer Ship crash land on it.... the events have to be linked.

And i am sure they would have to cover this.... there is a lot of clues that sugest all of this, and then we have to ask how does Covenant connect? because Paradise is where the Engineers came from... but Prometheus sugested they would not be stupid enough to create such Evil Bio-Weapons on their own Front Door/Back Yard....  so how does these Organisms end up on Paradise or Paradise linked to the Creation of such Monsters or Biology that leads to them... again i have a theory that i have covered before that is too long to mention here.

The Engineers knew the risk..... why else would the Space Jockey send a SOS a SOS that in all the comments in the past leads to it being a Warning.... and more likely a Warning to his other Race about the Cargo... so they knew the DANGERS.... so why did things go wrong and why did the Organism end on Paradise...

This has to be answered i feel....

So all the Clues add up to what Ridley had said... over the years..

Space Jockey crash lands on LV-426 some  2000 years ago, actually within a few hundred years of the LV-223 outbreak that killed off so many Engineers....  there is a connection between the Derelict, and its Cargo and LV-223  the location being so close is no coinsidence... and Paradise seems to have suffered the same kind of fate related to both LV-223 Outbreak and the Space Jockey on LV-426

COVENANT....

That has to be more than a Name for the Ship, just as Prometheus was... for the answers to Prometheus you have to look deep, but the connectins are there and i made a Topic on it i think? or i put my theory towards it a few times.

It has to be a Agreement.... and it has to be between one of the following.

Shaw/David ---- doubtful

David/Covenant Crew --- doubtful

Shaw/Natives of Paradise --- maybe

David/Natives of Paradise --- maybe

Natives of Paradise and Mankind --- likely.

Natives of Paradise and Engineers --- likely

Natives of Paradise is what ever beings are there or were there in the past, this can be the Engineers or who ever is above the Engineers or God/Gods....

I think there would be a War Between Fractions or Hierarchy of the Engineer Race... one that may have involved Mankind in some part... but its hinted Mankind is not the only Race Seeded by them or indeed Earth is the only place Mankind was seeded....

What ever had happened be it the whole Hierarchy of Engineers against Mankind, or Hierarchy against each other... it must have led to the Xenomorph.... and Biology.

THUS.... COVENANT  must be...

1) To reframe from destroying Mankind and other wayward races, due to the cost that it had on the Engineer Hierarchy in regards to the consequences of creating such Evil Biology upon their own kind.

2) To reframe from using the Evil Biology PERIOD.... that this Weapon was deemed to be too deadly for any reason and the consequences far to great and had a great impact on the Engineer Hierarchy 

We could look at it like a Potential World War 3 that a Nuke or Nukes are used, and the Aftermath Mankind Finally all agrees that the Nukes have to Go and by that ... No Nation can have them or the ability to use them...

So maybe LV-223 Outbreak was caused by the Hierarchy on Paradise deeming the Bio-Weapon as too Dangerous and that the Outbreak was infact a attempt to Destroy the Facility.?  Or something similar.

This theory does fit with thing..... but it has.. as with all my theories a element of something that goes against it..... in this case.... its Ridleys Comments that the Engineers and who ever Shaw and David find on Paradise are.... NOT BENEVOLENT! 

But then for him to refer to Fallen Angels and Paradise Lost, would mean there has to be a Faction that is Benevolent?

Maybe even if they are NOT BENEVOLENT... there could still be a Covenant that they deem the Bio-Weapon proved to costly to their own kind.....  and they instead decide to just leave Earth to its own devices.....

Then again there is a problem with this also.... Davids TO CREATE one must first Destroy.

So yes there is so many ways to answer it all....

But i think COVENANT name will play a role to some agreement to reframe from some action regarding the Bio-Weapon in either its USE  or its CREATION.

Expanding on the comments regarding the Size of the Space Jockey..... yep it was supposed to be 26ft Tall but we can all see its not the size of the Supreme Leader Snoke Hologram from Star Wars FA!

The Actual Space Jockey Prop was 16ft now taking into account we dont see how or where the Legs are means our Space Jockey was 13-17 feet Tops...    Prometheus expanded this concept by planning for a 15ft tall Race of Engineers in Spaights draft, this was revised to 12ft in Lindeloffs and then in Prometheus they had the Space Jockey Suit Engineers as supposed 10ft

But we are talking Alien here and the Space Jockey and so yes there is no logical way to explain Shaw, David or a Human would account for the Space Jockeys Size, then the Space Jockey and Derelict looked like it was there for longer than the 28 years between Prometheus and Alien, never mind the 18 years from Alien Covenant to Alien and so this could be another bit of Evidence that shows us the Space Jockey event could not have happened after the year 2104.

But Alien Covenant is a Origins Story? It will after the 3 next movies link to Alien and the Space Jockey.... how can this be?  Unless David or who ever or what ever from Paradise, decides to leave Paradise for Earth and somehow enters a Space Anomaly that takes the Ship back thousands of years in the past..... by Accident?

Unless one last Engineer or being above them decides to destroy Mankind and as a all powerful being they can travel back in time... or maybe Engineers could anyway and so they Go-Back to the Future Style by traveling 88MPH or maybe 88'000 X Light Speed LOL  

But why did the other Engineers not do this?  Maybe the the Outbreak prevented it, why then did the Last Engineer remain in Cryo Sleep for so long?  Maybe when he set off to Earth he could then had gone back in time and dropped his Cargo.... but then surely if we go the route of the Engineers or Hierarchy posess time Travel then why not use it more often?  I think to lessen the Loop Holes having it that they can only Go Back in Time and not Forwards would work? 

But then it opens a can of Worms unless Paradise has just a handful of beings left, and only one and one ship left by the end of the next 3 movies to perform such a Mission....

so while we cant rule this out... i think its unlikely....

The Clues however lead us to a few things..

1) The Space Jockey is a Race related to the Engineers and are Giants. 10-15ft Tall.

2) The Derelict seemed to had been there for thousands of years...

3) Is Prometheus clues inc the Fresco and Mural actual Clues to the events? If so they would have been on LV-223 thousands of years ago. 

4) Is the LV-223 Outbreak its connections and location to LV-426 all just Coinsidence? The Chest Busted Cryo Pods? and all seem to be around thousands of years ago?

Well Ridley off screen has said a number of times the Space Jockey and Derelict had been there for thousands of years.....

Micheal Beihns Comments that Alien Covenant is set thousands of years before Aliens, in some part must mean part of the movie is... this would back up the information and idea we had about the Space Jockey before Prometheus and just after we saw that movie...   It would also maybe explain why the Covenant Crew thought they would be finding Paradise to Colonise (Earth like World) and find a Scene of Disaster and Dark and Dangerous World.

And then how the New South Wales, Australia Shooting Locations that would include Monumental Forest and Rock Locations and then Formidable CGI....

All hint to us seeing a World maybe at a time prior to what ever happened to Paradise.

As far as the Derelict..... and how/why..

I had 3 main theories that i would go into detail with another time if any wants to know? 

They will take a lot of space though lol....  In a Nut Shell....  they all Share a Common theme...  That is that LV-223 the Engineers/Goo/Xenos are all connected to a event of series of events that revolve around a Horrid Bio Weapon and potentially a War Between Creator and Creation maybe one a higher level or lower or multiple..... i.e Engineers/Mankind .. Engineers/Engineers.. Higher Beings/Engineers or all 3!  These events also connect to Paradise and how Paradise is not a thriving Engineer Empire no more....

All of these theories are set in a time of thousands of years ago... and yep they all have minor contradictions to each other and dont answer everything... not if Ridley is going the route of the Engineers being in many Galaxies and their Creators and Engineers Creations are spread accross the Galaxy if not Galaxies.

I also have a futher 3 more theories to connect the Engineers, of which they have some similar themes but also different... because there is no ONE SET IN STONE theory.. each that i have branches off so that it can have slightly different takes.

I will however now go and post what Ridley has sugested that happened... my theories are based off this... some i had before some of this information, and so it fitted in with Ridleys (within a few hundred years) and that comment allowed me to evolve these theories to give me slightly different interpretations.. Then he released another comment about a year ago or so that made me have to re-think my theories and slightly evolve them...

But here is what Ridley said.. this is not word for word, but i can trawl the internest and provide direct qoutes if needed.

*The Space Jockey is a Giant Humanoid Race in a Space Suit. (way prior to Prometheus).

*The Cargo the Ship was carrying was for Bio-Weapon reasons it was a Bomber/Bio-Weapon Cargo Ship (way prior to Prometheus).

*The Space Jockey had become infected with his own Cargo, and after knowing so the Space Jockey set off a Warning SOS to his fellow Race (way prior to Prometheus).

*The Derelict had been there for a very very long time, prehapse thousands of years (way prior to Prometheus).

*The Derelict and Juggernaught and Space Jockey and Engineer are brothers, they are related. (after the release of Prometheus).

*The Derelict/Juggernaught had the same Purpose (after the release of Prometheus).

*The Xenomorph Biology is related to what ever the Engineers where doing on LV-223 there is a connection (after the release of Prometheus).

*The Derelict had left a undisclosed location to head to a undisclosed destination, it however did not Travel Far before it ended up on LV-426 (after the release of Prometheus).

*The Pilot had been infected with his own Cargo, and knowing this he set down on LV-426 to Quarantine its Cargo and Set off a Warning Beacon to tell his fellow Race the Cargo had been Compremised (after the release of Prometheus).

*The Derelict did not Technically Crash on LV-426 (way after the release of Prometheus).

*The Derelict event had occured within a few hundred years of the outbreak that killed nearly all the Engineers on LV-223 over 2000 years prior (way after the release of Prometheus).

*The Derelict had the same Intentions as the Juggernaught (More recent comments on subject).

*The Derelict had set off on its mission but it did not get far due to the Pilot being infected with his Cargo (More recent comments on subject).

*Something had Evolved in the Cargo, it got out and infected the Space Jockey (More recent comments on subject).

Thus the Space Jockey Story is as follows....  Some few thousand years ago, either a few hundred prior or after the events that befell the Engineers on the LV-223 Outpost... The Space Jockey had set off on a mission to deploy his Bio-Weapon Cargo on some World, maybe Earth? (but LV-223 and Paradise cant be ruled out).

The ship did not get far before the Space Jockey was either infected, or realised he had been infected (distance could be short LV-223 to LV-426) or not far could be a greater distance within context of how far the Engineers/Space Jockeys can Travel through Space... but it most likely had left Paradise, LV-223 or some other world related to the Engineers Agenda.

Knowing he was infected the Space Jockey set down a course to Quarantine the Cargo and Warn his fellow Race that the Cargo was Compremised. The Space Jockey must have attempted to land on LV-426 but then he started to go through the Chest Buster Event as he was making his Landing.

Latter Comments could imply something Evolved... this in itself is ambigious how ever it may not be a Coinsidence with the LV-223 and Urns.... maybe there is a connection?  Maybe the Urn Cargo Evolved?  Maybe what ever Chest Busted then evolved the Cargo... 

But this does cause a few contradictions with clues in Prometheus...

So there roughly you have the Alien and Prometheus Connection as far as the Space Jockey, now is this what they are going with now?  WHO KNOWS?

But this is what up until over a year ago, was the Story.....

My theories take into account the above clues and Prometheus ones. I think i had discussed them but i was going to do so again in a Topic Regarding the Space Jockey... But i put that on Hold now Alien Covenant is some how covering that Story... and its seqeuls will and maybe in a way that differs to what Ridley had said before hand.

Interesting thread.

I fear point 1 and 2 are impossible without time travel and I'm not keen on point 3, although interesting idea.

I think Ridley missed a major opportunity in writing Prometheus. In Prometheus the goings on we witnessed in holographic projection could have liked directly to Alien. To put it simply (as others have stated previously,) two thousand or so before Prometheus an accident caused a Group of Engineers to flee their outpost on LV223. A few of these managed to escape to a ship and take off. One by one they were picked off by a Xenomorph which had managed to infect one of them earlier on before take-off. The Xenomorph manages to kill or incapacitate all of the crew except for the pilot. The final surviving Engineer manages to pilot the ship until his or her ultimate death via a chest burster. The ship crash lands on LV426, but not before the final Engineer triggers a warning beacon upon dying.

In my mind the Derelict (as the ship becomes known in Alien) crash lands on another subterranean Engineer outpost. The ship lands, crashing into the outposts landing port, it’s populated by many hundred Engineers. By now a group of Xenomorphs are contained within the Derelict, one is growing into a Queen. They make their way down into the populated outpost beneath the crash site and gradually infect, kill and create a hive. The hive’s Queen lays the thousands of eggs over many year. We see these in Alien in the huge hanger type area which Kane is lowered into. Over the years and due to lack of hosts the Xenomorphs either move on or die of old age, leaving the eggs, the outpost and the Derelict to rot and or petrify with age The eggs are somehow safe due to the misty layer which they themselves produce to enable longevity and the survival of their species. Two thousand years later the Nostromo detects the distress beacon and the story of Alien begins.

I think Ridley over thought Prometheus. There was no need to deviate into a new tangent or history. The original story line is complex, interesting and terrifying enough. Imagine a flash back to history of the derelict. I think this is kind of what we all expected in Prometheus, answers to some of the questions from Alien and new questions to ponder within the Prometheus and the goings on on LV223.