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BigDave

Aug-17-2015 7:04 PM

Hi as i discused in another thread, i wish to maybe try and start work and finish work on some Projects when i get the time and when i am done i would post them here first.....  Which would you like to see.

1) PARADISE My Draft and Ideas on the Prometheus Sequel... i found a major sticking point mind as far as the Engineers Agenda, Engineers and Hierarchy on Paradise and if they was aware of our creation and why they never came back to Earth or LV 233.

However Mission to LV 223 and connections and what becomes of Weyland-Yutani Ideas had been more easy to work with.

2) PROMETHEUS My hardley started on, but i have lot ideas on a Re-Write of Lindeloffs Draft and the Scene by Scene Prometheus Movie to a Draft that is more detailed, less problems more connections but still Ambigious that would be based on the movie and Lindeloffs work and will add a few and i mean few elements from Spaigts.... to Produce a Prometheus Draft that would be as if i was given the task to re-write Prometheus before it went into Production.

3) ALIEN 4.5 ASCENSION (Working Title) a recent idea i had after someone on Scified wanted to make a new Story in the Universe, a new Alien movie i came up and pitched a idea, but they wish to reboot the Space Jockey Story.....  So i may work on my idea.....  This idea would be based on a parallel timeline with Alien Resurection and would cover the fate of the other Queen taken from Ripley 7 that was a failed Clone and a Failed to a degree Queen but produces something New... something more Human yet Alien something like the New Born only done in a better way.

Introduces a new kind of Alien and Life Cycle.. something more fresh!

4) ALIEN UNEARTHED (Working Title) another recent idea and one to basically bring back the Xeno but in a slightly different form, a maybe hint at a Origins Story that will introduce the Space Jockey Engineers in alternative movie, based on a Minning Facility on a Baron World, that is minning Ore and refineary when something goes wrong causes a Explosion that causes a Unearthing of a hidden place long burried after a Ancient Catastrophic Event......

Slight themes from Star Beast, maybe a Mountains of Madness slightly.

 

The Last 2 ideas are recent interesting ways to explore the Alien Universe in a way that does not discredit other movies....

 

5) ALIEN Afliction (Working Title) I had another about the discovery of a Vessel floating in Space that has Xenos infected crew onboard that are taken to  far far away outpost and we see a Alien Outbreak, but this is something similar to say a what if the Nostromo or Sulaco where infected and then discovered...  The reason for infections would be unkown but would link to Alien Unearthed and indeed could be a Sequel to it.

This movie would basically be a generic Chest Busters lose on Ship thats taken to a outpost where the Colony do not know what is happening, pretty much like the Hadleys Hope Infestation and what happened with Kane and yes also AVPR etc.... so would not add nowt new but another way to have a outbreak of Xenos on a Far out Outpost.....  but one where i would have Explored the Alien DC Egg Morph! Idea.

I can give more detailed  Synopsis to each that would contain spoilers... then i just need set down and flesh out and finish one of them lol...

Maybe Fox are watching because a few of these are going to be more Original than Blomkamps Popcorn Flick!

Feel free to choose one and i would go in more detail.... i have some Orginal ideas on all of them, even if i pitch my ideas as a broad  synopsis and see how some may fair and maybe even be close to ideas Prometheus 2 and Alien 5 could bring about? 

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The First Child

Aug-17-2015 7:28 PM

funny you mentioned this. From 2012 to now I have been working on a plot for Paradise. I am trying to get it sent in through a friend that works for a TV channel. my hope is to get it to Scott free productions by october or November. 

THANATOS_CONTAGION

Aug-17-2015 7:31 PM

i would like to see your draft for pearadise!

Something Real

Aug-17-2015 7:54 PM

BIGDAVE - I would be greatly interested in seeing your draft for Paradise and the Alien Unearthed story! They sound most compelling! :)

BigDave

Aug-17-2015 8:16 PM

Yeah i lost a lot of it... :(

Roughly know the ideas, some of the ideas had been put to draft...  But its not a clear synopsis.

The movie started off kind of like Prometheus, and a like Star Trek Voyager, Next Generation i.e flying through space starting halfway between the centre of our Galaxy and we end up on LV 223, survey from space the remains of LV 223.  in the distance we see a Probe....

The plot was all mis matched like a Jigsaw as to which peice goes where as far as what plot goes where...

I.e do i show Shaw and David on Juggernaught next, or latter... i did this scene and  its a kind of flash back to before the end of Prometheus...  we get some dialect with Shaw and David in which he eventually persuades her to go into Stasis...

The movie kind of flashes back and forth to different plot points.... but during the Travel we get to see Shaws Dreams only its not David monitor them.... we see her dream about who looks after her after her fathers death and this person is related to Ripley, more flashbacks where they go to this persons funeral Shaw and her relative are at their Grandmothers funeral Shaw now late teens, the other Woman is pregnant and says the unborn baby is a Girl and they are going to use their Grandmothers 2nd name Ellen.

We also see David has Flash back thoughts, inc Weyland and his introducing the David 8's and how he has given one David 8 special program that gives him more freedome in the code, Weyland treats this David like a Son watches movies with him etc... we see in this part of the plot Seeds to giving his personel David 8 special code programing that allows more freedom... could this be a costly mistake in the future...

We have a board meeting and scenes on Mars, where we discover the future of the company and them wondering what happened to LV 223 they then find out Yutani had detected a SOS, and are off to send a Mission themselves

So Weyland company attempts to send its own, after finding no news this plot we see into who will take over the company which is Weylands Brother.... Weylands Brother has a Son, the Plot has a suprise... (Spoiler) Vickers is Alive....  as the board are to give power to Weylands brother, we see a Woman enter with a briefcase and it contains a Laptop with a Will of Weylands, inwhich he leaves his share of the Company to Vickers..

Weylands brother thought he would gain he company as Vickers was on the Mission, but they find she was not...... 

This plot element we would see a lot of struggle between the company for power, Vickers uses Insurance Money to buy out Weylands Brother and Fires him,  she does not want to send out a mission to find out what happend to her father but to take care of the company as ordered.

Having Lost a lot Weylands brother orders to send a mission but lacks funding, his Son has a idea....  they would join up with Yutani and sell off secrets that Weyland company has his son objects and says they should listen to Vickers and think of the Company over their own private gain... Vickers confronts Weylands brother who attacks her but she moves fast and throws him up the wall, the injury causes Weylands Brother to have a bad turn and injuries to his brain and heart attack..... dying... she qoutes the same qoute "every king has his reign"

Knowing this Weylands Nephew wants revenge, he plots with Yutani a deal that if Vickers is removed he would then inherit Weyland Industries and he would then propose a Partnership but not full Merger with Yutani, Yutani would allow Weyland company to continue with its Terraforming and Medical Applications but Yutani wants the Patents to the Synthetics that allow them to evolve their own Androids as they are not as Human due to Weyland patents..

Yutani and Weylands Nephew plan to assassinate Vickers, we have to remeber this Plot Device, goes back and forth between different ones..... so this Vickers Assasination is near the end well 3/4 way through.... we some some Geisha Female Androids attempt to attack Vickers, they take shots off her body gaurds, the wounded Yutani Droids to not wound like Weylands David 8 did,  these Geisha do not look as Human they look Fake, like Grey manikins..  They kill Vickers Bodyguards throwing the one as easy as the Engineer in Prometheus did with Weylands..... 

They then set there sights on Vickers, but Vickers is fast, and strong she throws one like a rag doll, then breaks anothers neck and pulls her head off, Vickers is winning, then we see Weylands Nephew enter from behind and shoots... it hits Vickers in the shoulder.... and she bleeds white.... VICKERS IS  A ROBOT...  she runs at Weylands Newphew and throws him to the Floor she is about to kill him and she says... No Weyland will take over the company... he pleads kill me and they would Win... Yutani...  they bribed me to do this, i have Nothing this is my fathers work, you killed him and i wanted to kill you.

But i know now we need to protect Weyland Company, Vickers hesitates and then a Yutani Android rises off the ground and Cuts Vickers Arm off....  Weylands Nephew kicks Vickers off and she is held down by some Mercs who rush in, one shoots her in the legs..

Weylands Nephew then informs via Phone.... the company is ours, Vickers is a Robot and so she cant inheret Peters Shares....

This is basically one Plot....

Other deals with a Mission to LV 223 by Yutani but little they know, Vickers had sent off a mision of her own to LV 223 with David 8 Androids.... the movie would end with a Race to LV 223 between these factions and what would they find... for  PROMETHEUS PART 3

 

The Other Plot is indeed Shaw and David on Paradise or so they assume, and this is where i was stuck because if had about 3-4 ideas half similar so its two themes, but two varations of each.... i can cover this in detail if you want....

I already had ideas for Part 3 and LV 223, which could give us some vague ideas as to LV 223 and LV 426 connection....  PROMETHEUS 3  ended with Shaw and some being from Paradise.... Destroying LV 223 so nothing could be gained...

 

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BigDave

Aug-17-2015 8:23 PM

Above is the rough idea, i had done it in detail with some scenes put into draft and dialect form... but seemed to had lost my work....

My movie had these Plots...

1) Shaw and Davids journey to Paradise and Dreams and Flash Backs.

2) Back Story to what happens to the Company and how Yutani are involved, in which the above is a short synopsis.... i.e outline as we do see Yutani board too...

3) Preperations for a Yutani mission to LV 223 and a Weyland one also scheduled to intercept.  This would be explored in Part 3... unless i made movie longer one...

4) Discovery of a World related to the Engineers and well... this is the tricky one... as i had flash backs to Ancient interactions between mankind and Engineers.... 

I had us seeing they created and destroyed life on Earth many times and other worlds..

Then i had a number ideas to explain why they never came back and well this is the sticking point i had... i tried to tie in on one hand Ancient Cultures connections... i.e Annunaki... but then i had problems...

Another idea was something different and well very Giger... in that God was a Machine, i was also playing with idea of Time Travel but scrapped it.. i.e David becomes Xeno and Shaw becomes God.... well a Goddes after she is infected... but i was never sure on which idea to run with...

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BigDave

Aug-17-2015 8:57 PM

4) ALIEN UNEARTHED

A rough idea i had years ago about 2011-2012 but never worked on it, as i was waiting to see what Prometheus show us,  which was in basic form..

A distant Weyland Minning Facility was refining a Ore to make a new kind of Nuclear Power and there was a Acident that caused a Reactor Meltdown... they managed to Eject the Faulty Core, but it landed near by and exploded.... this caused a Earthquake, that then opened up a fissure in a near by Mountain Range that is a long dead Volcano...

We see it uncover a cavern where the Company then as the layer of Volcanic Material had moved away i.e heavy rock, they started to read a signal, they investigate and find a underground cave system.

Hanging off the Cielings incased in a Substance that was part rock, part metal yet also another material we see like Spores..  Originally idea was like Eggs incased within the Walls like a Beehive honeycomb this is where they would uncover Early form of Xeno Eggs.... we would see Also a dead Space Jockey (chest busted) No sign of his Ship mind...

More Recently i expanded this after Prometheus that we would then latter come across a Derelict parked and cut off from the rest of the complex... within it would be two Alive Engineers. In Cryo Stasis....  and one more Dead one outside the Ship... this one beheaded.

I had not covered much but broad strokes but the idea was that this place used to contain a Organism in Spores hanging from the Roof of the Caves (not Honeycomb like before)

 

Not to unsimilar to this Prometheus image...

The Spores where more a collection of such things contained within a more like coccon thing instead..... and actually year latter the idea i had did actually look like Godzilla 2014 MOTO Spores in a way well how that looked was like the Coccon that had a selection of Spores hanging from it.

The idea was the Humans uncover the Space Jockey and then Spores and get infected.....

After they deal with the Parasites that contain Face Hugers but more like the Giger 3rd one...

which results in a slightly different Xeno.... who has no Queen but procreated by the Egg Morph Route... well the Victim becomes a Coccon that then houses a number of Spores.

Anyway after dealing with these, the survivors set off with Carges to blow the place up and they blow the one part up that leads to the Area of the Ship... they find the ship and then enter it and the Engineers awaken and go on rampage and kill most of the Crew...

they then set off to chase the Crew, well one does, the Blast Charges have now unearthed the Engineers Ship so now it can make a escape...

One Engineer gets killed by a Xeno related Organism.....  and its remains is Egg Morphed,  The under cover Android then takes a Blast Charge and one of those Spores from the Cocooned Space Jockey to the Derelict... the Android is killed by the Engineer but not before the now different Face Huger is released onto Engineer, the end of the movie we see the Engineer ship take off but a blast Charge Goes off and causes his Ship to Crash back on the Moon but in the distance...

The Few survivors then see more Xeno related Face Hugers on lose and they escape and cause the Minning outpost to go into Total Meltdown.... this blast so strong that it triggers the long dead Volcano that then errupts as we end the movie... shot of the Survivors ship leaving Orbit and a Huge Volcanic Eruption..

Thats the basic synopsis i have so far.....

I was toying of mixing the idea for the other Alien movie Afliction  which was unconnected, to be connected as in maybe its the Ship at the end of Unearthed that is the vessel in Afliction

 Basically its ways to show us a new Xeno movie without seeing the exact Xeno from the Alien Franchise and its Life Cycle.

So Alien Unearthed is kind of a nod to Star Beast.  But Ambigious as we wont know if this place that was burried after a Volcanic Erruption thousands of years ago... was a place these Engineer Stored and Collected these Organisms.... or if it was a place they obtained them...

i.e was it a place experiments was stored in, or was it the place they discovered a Ancestor to the Xeno?

If i was to flesh out a that latter idea i would have done a prequel to it, that would have been Alien Alpha showed the connection to this Storage Facility and the Xeno Eggs. and LV 223 etc.

 

The Organism Life Cycle...

1) We start with a Casing like Cocoon that would hold a number of Spores the Spores get Nutriants from the Cocoon.

2) Spores have inside of them Face Hugers like Giger D3 ones, they have a like Grub like look to them and they can either Face Huger and Implant a Embryo Egg into a Host or they can create like a Silk well a Resin from its like Grub like head and even Cocoon a Victim with this.

3) Gestation into Chest Buster and we see a like Nymth Stage the Creature is like a cross between the Chest Buster in Alien and like a Beetle so to speak.

4) This Rapidly Grows into a Adult and the idea is that it is part Xeno, Part more bigger like Beetle, it has smaller set of hands, it has feet like a Xeno Queen and it had like a set of like sickle like appendage that can open up to act as Wings but it can only fly a short distance so its more like a Jump... the creature would have a bit of a look to two of the Star Beast Concepts...  The idea i had is a result of some of the various Star Beast, meets some Gigers Xeno ish designs.

5) This Organism is able to Morph a Genetic Host into Cocoon where its material is used as a food source to grow the Spores which the Organism implants.... 

The Cycle repeats...

Toying with the idea the Organism takes on traits from its Host but then also the Face Hugers take on traits of its Cocooned Host too.

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oduodu

Aug-20-2015 7:30 AM

2.

That would be my choice though 1. wouldnt be far behind !!

 

Generally i think prometheus is more then redeemable but like the subteranean cavern where no one is really wheter or not it is part of the of the ship or planet (or perhaps some very alien tech that allows spece to be compressed inside very small spaces . much of alien 's stayng power resides around that. That all came by accidents - things not working together - or perhaps maybe ideas fused together like it was not supposed to be - like a pyramid which became part of the ship due to lack of funds etc.

This where i think Prometheus got it wrong because the mystery in prometheus isnt very alien if the engineers are genetically close or related to us. Therefore I feel that those parts of the scripts that shows very alien stuff like the goo and ship technology (the chair and the ball of energy that came from hich the engineer activated the chair). Which is why the engineer sj connection being the same things bombs everything really.

Paradise perhaps must perhaps re establish the sj elements but doubt it will happen. Therefore i sense a bigger presense behind it all. Some very dark and evil beings with power beyond our imagination. if not evil ten at the very least oblivious  to our existence in a way like when you step on an ant. you just dont care.

 

Engineer Tech Brett

Aug-20-2015 3:21 PM

If you don’t mind I would like to give some thoughts on your Paradise ideas.

 

Personally, I wouldn’t follow the Ripley/Shaw family connection. That would play out too much like Halloween. It would seem that the Ripley (Myers) Family are the only ones that the Alien (Michael) ever has anything to do with. I really don’t think there would need to be a connection, it doesn’t add anything important.

 

The David idea though, I like that. The prospect of the David we know being different from the others is interesting. Does this David have less restriction? Is he closer to human than the others? Does he have motives or is he in communication with someone home? Is he evolving?

 

The Weyland/ Yutani aspect, I would avoid that. It seems like it would play out like a tv series rather than a film. When there are deeper and more meaningful questions or concepts at hand, a merger of companies would feel like a distraction.

 

Like I said, this is just some of my thoughts.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

BigDave

Aug-21-2015 8:13 AM

Thanks for the Feedback...

Yes Originally i was not going to go the route of a Ripley connection, i was going to have dreams of Shaw however... i however was going to always have Petter Weyland in Davids...

What brought this Ripley connection in, was people was discussing Sigourney rumours of being cast in the movie, and i was like i dont think she should be cast at all and if it was it would have to be a cameo role as some kind of relative to Shaw (due to Weavers Age) so i decided to play with how (IF) Sigourney was cast how would i have her appear in the movie.

which would be that Sigourney to play the Legal Gaurdian to Shaw after the loss of both Parents, or that (as i had two alternative versions of this link, that Shaw was adopted by another relative of Shaws Father or Mother but again Sigourney would play the roll of a Grandmother to Shaw in the dream where we would see Sigourney with a young Shaw in a Dream Cameo, then we flash to a Funeral of the Grandmother where we see the Coffin lowered into the ground and one of the Girls in the other scene with Shaw, is now with a older Shaw in her Teens (other Girl being older) and other Girl is pregnant at the funeral and mentions that her Fiance  a Private Ripley are due to Marry when he comes back from Marine Tour... and that he should be back in time for their Babys Birth and that they would name her their Daughter to be.... either Ellen after her Grandmothers 2nd name, or i was toying with her Grandmothers first name being Louise thus  this Older Sigourney Character who plays a Grandmother to Shaw has her first name used as her Great Gran Daughter Ripleys 2nd name etc.

Just a if she had to be cast, his is how i would have done it and thus only Screen time would be less than a Minute or so, and it would some way connect Shaw to Ripley... in a way.

But yes ideally no i would not have gone this route.... Which is why i dont see the need for a Ripley in Alien 5

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BigDave

Aug-21-2015 8:32 AM

As far as the Yutani Connection, this would not show the Merger as per we see in the Franchise, but just lay seeds to how it could form....

That is who now runs Weylands Company? now Weyland and Vickers are gone?  In order to lead to the Weylands in the Franchise then we would need to keep the Blood Line Going... and the Logical way was that Peter Weyland had a Brother, who had a Son to carry this on....

This is where i add a TWIST, that it to hint that Vickers is alive, and Weylands brother did not know about this, so he thinks he would be inheriting the whole Company well Peters Shares... untill a contract via Laptop Device carrying Peters Will is handed to them, we see in earlier Scene a female hand open it up and see the Will read out...  then in the board room we see some Brief come into the Room hand over the Suitcase that contains the Device with the Will upon it....   Shocked... Weylands brother looks distraught but then smiles "ah but Vickers is dead she was on that ship"  to which a Female walks into the Room and we only see her from behind... Weyland Brothers Face changes.....  and we hear Vickers Voice... "you look like you just seen a Ghost"

A alternative i had it that we dont see Weylands Brother in this scene we only hear his voice or a Hollogram as he is not there in person but his Son is...

Basically the idea would be that Weylands Brother is more interested in taking over the company for Financial Gain and also want to break into the Monopoly of Military Tech that Yutani has the upper hand in....

But its ultimatelty Peter Weylands Nephew who has a Agenda to sell out the company and Patents to Yutani..... as you see Weyland Industries have some Patents that Force Yutani to not be able to produce as realistic Androids (this is documented on the Weyland Website)....

This is where i introduce the Female Geisha Android Assasins and paint the picture that Yutani is a Military based company.... Weylands Newphew who wants to enter a deal with Yutani, as he knows if Vickers is killed he would eventually gain the company and so he comes to a deal that Yutani would kill Vickers, with no traces back to Weyland Family on the basis that Weyland drops or hands over some of its Patents to Yutani.

We will see Yutani intercept a lot of messages from Prometheus as it has Yutani Tech that secretly encypts information and messages back to Yutani.... (this is documented in the Viral Sites too i.e Tech of Yutanis thats used in Project Prometheus).  So while Weyland Industries dont get much information back about LV 223 and Prometheus... its the Yutani CPUs and Software that sends some info back to Yutani..

They sent a Probe.... this Probe detects stuff and so Yutani send off a mission,  Vickers before she is killed also using her money and insurance from Prometheus also sends of in persuit a Weyland Vessel...

Vickers is eventually attacked by the Yutani Assasin Androids and this is when she is revealed as being a Android herself.... which plays into Weylands Newphews hands as well a Android can not inherent the company.... 

The 3rd movie would have shown that with this Weylands Nephew thinks he can now gain the Company without having to pay back his part of the deal with Yutani... but there would be a story to force his hand.. and the LV 223 mission would also lead to costly situation to Weyland Industries and Ultimately lead to a Forced Merger.

The movie would focus on the Company and Background etc and Shaw and Davids trip to Paradise....

A 3rd one would then focus more on LV 223, wrap up what went down on Paradise and bring the company Weyland Yutani more into the fold.

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MonsterZero

Aug-21-2015 5:10 PM

hmmm...Not sure I want to watch a movie about Weyland/Yutani ... Reminds me too much of 'The Phantom Menace' ....politics and backstabbing...(will the Senator get the votes he needs!!??) Who will lead the senate!!?! What about the taxes!?) Maybe if a Xeno gets released in the board room....and it's a 30 second shot....nah

Less board room politics more mutant space monsters.

 

 

 

MonsterZero

Aug-21-2015 5:22 PM

Lets look at this.

 

What sort of Space weapons do the Engineers/Elders have? Planet busters? 

Xenos and the goo are alright...but that's going to take some time to develop and understand($$$$ and dangerous)........I want face melting SUPER WEAPONS NOW! A ship full of them if possible.

They must have something?

How do they control their test subjects? Harsh language?

No I want ALIEN HI-TECH.

Massive casualities are acceptable.

BigDave

Aug-21-2015 5:56 PM

Yeah my Plot covered those too ;)

But i had many different ideas on the Engineers Agenda and what Shaw finds and how it fits in with Earth the Xeno etc as far as Agenda....

I came with ideas as the different plot elements because of trying to create a movie within the Franchise that does not have to go and basically give us a Alien movie or a what about the Space Jockey flick...

The board/company element was on part of the movie, as would then a mission to LV 223 to be covered in a 3rd movie with the connections to the Xeno and LV 426... while Part 2 lays foundations for such a mission and explores the company on one hand... while in the other it explores what David and Shaw find...

I did run into problems finding the exact idea for the Engineers, their creators or what ever Shaw finds and connection to Earth.... this was hard and i had about 2-3 ideas, and two of those had like slight differences to 5 kind of ideas of how to cover this..

The other thing i was going to work on was a Edit of Prometheus draft...

But then i also have a few ideas of other Alien movies... but i dont know which to work on..... my Prometheus Edit i feel would make for a more polished Prometheus movie, but we have seen Prometheus so it would peform no purpose... the same goes for a Paradise Draft because their is a actual Draft that has been done for that movie that work would start on this fall with...

So maybe i would work on one of my other ideas...

Alien Ascension and Alien Unearthed... both working titles. Both trying something similar but different.... Alien Unearthed being more a cross between a Alien and Aliens flick and Alien Ascension being more a Alien 3 and Alien Resurection kind of flick.

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MonsterZero

Aug-22-2015 6:36 AM

Alien Ascension would be my pick.

 

Questions I have:

Who are the enemies of the Engineers/Elders(Everyone has enemies/foes). Are Earthlings caught in the crossfire?

Paradise questions.

I find it crazy that one Engineer would take on the responsibility to destroy Earth. Was he told that if Earthlings ever infected LV223...to immediatly fly to Earth and destroy it??!? Who gave the orders? Was he so angry about losing some sleep, that he would kill 10 billion humans?

Maybe Shaw/David8 were wrong and the Engineer had no intentions of destroying Earth, just wanted to do a fly by and report back to Paradise("they are building large cities and are starting space travel")?

Though I doubt the Engineer would leave LV223 without cleaning the Human virus (Prometheus ship/crew)?

Probably was going to park in LV223's orbit and nuke the surface? But that's a big waste of black goo!

BigDave

Aug-23-2015 4:01 PM

Alien Ascension: 

Set in the year 2379 a cargo vessel departs the Research Station USM Auriga onboard it carries DNA Samples of Ripley 8 and a incubated Failed Xeno Queen taken from Failed Ripley 8, this ship is on its way to a United Systems Military outpost on the Saturn Moon of Epimetheus.

The ship arrives at a Military Research Outpost hidden on the Moons surface and it is a place that has been carrying out Clone Experiments to create the Ultimate Combat Marine.. the company is hoping to use Ripley 8's DNA to create the Ultimate Soldier, the company was also ordered to examine the Failed Xeno Queen and find out why this did not develop into a Xenomorph Queen but something more Humanoid than Xeno DNA... they are tasked with figuring out the reasons for why this Foetus did not develop to anything closely related to the Xeno Queen, while the Ripley 7 was as close as they have yet came to creating a complete Ripley Model prior to Ripley 8 they want to know why the Queen Foetus is so far away from a Full Xeno Queen.

Upon Carrying out experiments on the DNA to find the link and also to carry out a attempt to Harness and Merge the Ripley 8 DNA with the Super Marines the company have been creating.   The Outpost gets a Message from the USM Auriga that they have successfully Managed to obtain Xenos from Human Hosts and that there would be no need for the Ripley 7 Queen and that the Organism is to be destroyed.  But the Outposts is given the command to also cease work on the Super Soldier but to instead concentrate on the Ripley 8 DNA to create the Ultimate Soldier from her DNA..  The Lead Scientists is not too keen to see his many years of research in Genetic Experiments to make a Super Human Soulless Fighting Machine despite a Law that outlaws the cloning of Humans (the Tyrell Law), The lead Scientist does not want to see his resarch go to waste and thinks maybe the key could be in the Queen 7 Foetus kept in Stasis.

The outpost then receives a SOS message from USM Auriga that their Ripley 8 had managed to regain memories and has rebelled has aided in a  sabotage of the Outposts Experiments and that the Ripley 8 Clones could prove to be a futile attempt.... and to concentrate on re-starting Super Soldier Program.

However the Lab was shut down and early stage Clones Destroyed, the lead Scientists on the base on Epimetheus did however have a few finished clones, but instead of trying to re-start this Program to create Super Humans, he decided to maybe explore the use of Ripley 8 DNA...

And to also unfreeze the Queen 7 as he feels maybe this could hold a key to creating the Ultimate Super Soldier.  They begin experiments on Ripley 8 DNA by trying to combine this with the Super Human Clones they are working on in order to create the Perfect Human Weapon.

They also see the Queen 7 fully grow into a more Human than Xeno Organism, and they take DNA samples to then try and create Clones of it.... but in doing so they detect that the Queen which stands 8ft tall, has began to develop Eggs inside, we see these Eggs get laid and they are formed inside a sack in groups like spores and the Scientists then collect these and study them and find that they are then starting to grow and they develop not like a Human Embryo or the Xenos, but they somehow start to develop like a Frogs Life Cycle..

This gives us a fully grown Organism that has some Xeno traits but is far more Human, they have hit the Jack Pot and created maybe something that can be used as a Super Soldier... 

We also see work on the Ripley 8 and Super Human DNA that proves to not be stable... so there Clones of Ripley 8 also just seem to age very vast and die.... But eventually they do create one Super Human and Ripley 8 DNA Hybrid.

We see one of the Scientists think this is madness after learning of the destruction of The USM Auriga and they try to sabotage and destroy the outpost... they destroy the Queen 7 but in doing so they release a few of the fully grown Organisms that came from the Queen 7, these go around killing off the Scientists, who release the few Super Human Marine Clones upon them.

We see that these new Xeno type Organisms have a different life cycle, they can Egg Morph Victims to become Nests, or a Egg or Spors and they can also infect Humans DNA with their own... 

I am not sure where else to expand this, as on one hand i have us seeing a Female infected who gives birth to a Face Huger.... this has been done with Shaw however.. and the Face Huger infects the Super Soldier/Ripley 8 clone and at the end we see the Birth of something new that is like a Engineer/Xeno Hybrid..

I am still toying with at the moment the outcome of the new kind of Xeno life Cycle, how it can procreate and the Super Human Clones but i intend that there is a event that leads to from a combination of the above to create something similar to our Engineers.

The Perfect Humanoid..

So its work in progress still.

But the idea is the aim of creating the Perfect Humanoid to Evolve Man to Ascension (Ascend to Perfection) and the Moon of Epimetheus is no accident, it’s there as a metaphor like his brother Prometheus, and in context of this movie it is to translate to the Foolish Act of trying to create the Perfect Bieng.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-23-2015 4:01 PM

Alien Ascension: 

Set in the year 2379 a cargo vessel departs the Research Station USM Auriga onboard it carries DNA Samples of Ripley 8 and a incubated Failed Xeno Queen taken from Failed Ripley 8, this ship is on its way to a United Systems Military outpost on the Saturn Moon of Epimetheus.

The ship arrives at a Military Research Outpost hidden on the Moons surface and it is a place that has been carrying out Clone Experiments to create the Ultimate Combat Marine.. the company is hoping to use Ripley 8's DNA to create the Ultimate Soldier, the company was also ordered to examine the Failed Xeno Queen and find out why this did not develop into a Xenomorph Queen but something more Humanoid than Xeno DNA... they are tasked with figuring out the reasons for why this Foetus did not develop to anything closely related to the Xeno Queen, while the Ripley 7 was as close as they have yet came to creating a complete Ripley Model prior to Ripley 8 they want to know why the Queen Foetus is so far away from a Full Xeno Queen.

Upon Carrying out experiments on the DNA to find the link and also to carry out a attempt to Harness and Merge the Ripley 8 DNA with the Super Marines the company have been creating.   The Outpost gets a Message from the USM Auriga that they have successfully Managed to obtain Xenos from Human Hosts and that there would be no need for the Ripley 7 Queen and that the Organism is to be destroyed.  But the Outposts is given the command to also cease work on the Super Soldier but to instead concentrate on the Ripley 8 DNA to create the Ultimate Soldier from her DNA..  The Lead Scientists is not too keen to see his many years of research in Genetic Experiments to make a Super Human Soulless Fighting Machine despite a Law that outlaws the cloning of Humans (the Tyrell Law), The lead Scientist does not want to see his resarch go to waste and thinks maybe the key could be in the Queen 7 Foetus kept in Stasis.

The outpost then receives a SOS message from USM Auriga that their Ripley 8 had managed to regain memories and has rebelled has aided in a  sabotage of the Outposts Experiments and that the Ripley 8 Clones could prove to be a futile attempt.... and to concentrate on re-starting Super Soldier Program.

However the Lab was shut down and early stage Clones Destroyed, the lead Scientists on the base on Epimetheus did however have a few finished clones, but instead of trying to re-start this Program to create Super Humans, he decided to maybe explore the use of Ripley 8 DNA...

And to also unfreeze the Queen 7 as he feels maybe this could hold a key to creating the Ultimate Super Soldier.  They begin experiments on Ripley 8 DNA by trying to combine this with the Super Human Clones they are working on in order to create the Perfect Human Weapon.

They also see the Queen 7 fully grow into a more Human than Xeno Organism, and they take DNA samples to then try and create Clones of it.... but in doing so they detect that the Queen which stands 8ft tall, has began to develop Eggs inside, we see these Eggs get laid and they are formed inside a sack in groups like spores and the Scientists then collect these and study them and find that they are then starting to grow and they develop not like a Human Embryo or the Xenos, but they somehow start to develop like a Frogs Life Cycle..

This gives us a fully grown Organism that has some Xeno traits but is far more Human, they have hit the Jack Pot and created maybe something that can be used as a Super Soldier... 

We also see work on the Ripley 8 and Super Human DNA that proves to not be stable... so there Clones of Ripley 8 also just seem to age very vast and die.... But eventually they do create one Super Human and Ripley 8 DNA Hybrid.

We see one of the Scientists think this is madness after learning of the destruction of The USM Auriga and they try to sabotage and destroy the outpost... they destroy the Queen 7 but in doing so they release a few of the fully grown Organisms that came from the Queen 7, these go around killing off the Scientists, who release the few Super Human Marine Clones upon them.

We see that these new Xeno type Organisms have a different life cycle, they can Egg Morph Victims to become Nests, or a Egg or Spors and they can also infect Humans DNA with their own... 

I am not sure where else to expand this, as on one hand i have us seeing a Female infected who gives birth to a Face Huger.... this has been done with Shaw however.. and the Face Huger infects the Super Soldier/Ripley 8 clone and at the end we see the Birth of something new that is like a Engineer/Xeno Hybrid..

I am still toying with at the moment the outcome of the new kind of Xeno life Cycle, how it can procreate and the Super Human Clones but i intend that there is a event that leads to from a combination of the above to create something similar to our Engineers.

The Perfect Humanoid..

So its work in progress still.

But the idea is the aim of creating the Perfect Humanoid to Evolve Man to Ascension (Ascend to Perfection) and the Moon of Epimetheus is no accident, it’s there as a metaphor like his brother Prometheus, and in context of this movie it is to translate to the Foolish Act of trying to create the Perfect Bieng.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-23-2015 4:14 PM

"Questions I have:

Who are the enemies of the Engineers/Elders(Everyone has enemies/foes). Are Earthlings caught in the crossfire?"

Not sure if these are relevant to my movie ideas.. but i will answer this as best as i can in context of Prometheus......   which we cant be sure of.... but going from the clues that i have got from the movie and Ridleys comments...   I feel the Engineers/Elders Enemies are themselves and/or their creators.

"I find it crazy that one Engineer would take on the responsibility to destroy Earth. Was he told that if Earthlings ever infected LV223...to immediatly fly to Earth and destroy it??!? Who gave the orders? Was he so angry about losing some sleep, that he would kill 10 billion humans?"

Again this is a question regarding Prometheus but again as above i would try and explain what i felt was the answer from the clues... and my Prometheus re-write was in some part going to answer your first question as i had above well left few clues, but this is what my Paradise Draft would have attempted to answer and well its a hard one to answer as i came into having a few different reasons...

But in context of answering this as far as the actual Prometheus movie...

We really cant be sure why he survived?  Maybe there is a element of Sabotage on his part?  did he cause the outbreak?  did he try to protect mankind?  This is what i was drawn to conclude in some way.

The full Engineer Scenes show us our Engineers in a different light, and i think maybe he never thought Mankind would ever get to LV 223 but finding that we indeed could reach that place and from the conversations with David and observations of Weyland and his Actions as being Selfish to his cause.... The Engineer saw that indeed his brothers was correct and Mankind had became corrupt and greedy and selfish and now they wish to become as Gods, they also created life in their own Image and now they have found this Place and its Secrets and Technology (Bio Weapons) and as the Humans creation David could communicate with the Engineer then maybe this Android could use and understand the Engineers Technology and in no way can Mankind be allowed to get its hands on such Secrets and Power.

And soo off he went to wipe out Mankind knowing that indeed his brothers was right for having Mankind destroyed before we grew too powerful.

Thats my interpretation and it would be the basic theme behind how i would have explored the Engineers.

But Alas... The movie was re-cut and changed after Production to paint our Engineers in a far lesser role as opposed to independant and that as i think Ridley or Lindeloff pit it....  The Engineer was merely woken up after a Long Sleep saw these Humans standing there in a place they was invited or intended to stand foot in.... and one of them starts to talk to Engineer and he just finds the whole situation iratating and decides to pull Davids head off and Hit Weyland with it, as you would swat a Fly that was anoying you.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MonsterZero

Aug-24-2015 5:40 PM

I like Alien Ascension so far.

 

I wonder if they can 'flip' the Queen 7 DNA and create a 'King' Xeno? Something really terrifying! The King I Xeno would be unconcerned with the brood(childbirth and stuff) and have plenty of time for killing everything(and searching for a worthy Queen)......King Xeno + Ripley 8 = Godlike super soldier. 

BigDave

Aug-27-2015 4:01 PM

Interesting idea about a King, but i was more going the route of a Queen, that procreates a new kind of Xeno Race that is more Humanoid looking..   i find some of the Concept work for Alien Resurection interesting as some of the New Born designs and even Xeno designs had a Deacon from Prometheus influences, so maybe the Deacon was based off them?

I had in mind the off spring of the Failed Queen 7 to be somewhat similar to some of those concepts and a mix of these two would be something i would have been looking at.

Or even close to some unused Prometheus Concepts

Something like the above image top one, something that combined elements of all the above and basically something that is like 60-70 % Human 30-40% Xeno and something that is more Flesh coloured and so yes, a combination of the New Born Concept above and maybe the Prometheus Babyhead could be what i was looking for...

Then it was comming up with a more disturbing way to procreate.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-27-2015 4:14 PM

Something like above minus the Predator side Mandables and a shorter and smoother dome head.... i.e if we had the body of the above toned down so its between this look and this below..

So basically if we took away the Predator Traits from the first image i.e dread/tails on the head and side mandables....  and then we reached a halfway point to that and the New Born Concept above and keep same sort of skin tone would match near enough the idea i had in my head for how this new Hyrbid Xenomorph would look like.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

JamietheBastard

Oct-08-2015 9:30 AM

Hey Bigdave definitely some interesting ideas here.

I've been out of action for a few months with Glandular fever, not much writing done. Noticed the site has had a sexy new makeover, very flash.

My Alien prequel Evolution's Nightmare is now 90 percent complete and i will post it soon. Re your ideas:

Alien: Unearthed, I have a similar concept for my sequel story Aliens: Lockdown in which survivors from the USCSS Kurtz reach the frontier system Tau Ceti II. They dock at Deep Station Melville and find it has been over run by an alien hive infestation. A Con - Amalgamated mining outpost uncovered an alien temple containing xeno eggs of a race which worshipped the xenomorph as deities (as in Star Beast). The infected miners spread the infestation to the Space Station.When the Kurtz survivors reach the station they find it apparently deserted. Investigating they find the station is in quarantine lockdown, and they encounter a group of survivors barricaded in a secure location. The aliens infiltrate the secure location and the survivors must traverse the infested station to reach a docked mining shuttle and escape to... a Weyland Yutani correctional facility in the same system!

I wanted to include companies other than W/Y and introduced the Con - Amalgamated mining company from Outland (A movie which as a kid I felt existed in the same universe as Alien, the costume designer from Alien also designed the costumes for Outland and it felt like these stories could have taken place in the same fictional universe).

The sequel to this story would be my version of Alien 3, they reach the Weyland Yutani prison facility (Which is more high tech and has guards and weapons) they find that Weyland Yutani has a secret experimental facility on the planet and are using the prisoners in hideous experiments with xenomorphs. The company release the xenos in the prison to eradicate all witnessess and the protagonists must team up with guards and prisoners, escape the xenos and try to reach the scientist's ship before it departs, stranding them on the alien infested prison planet.

I quite like your ideas for Alien: Affliction, I would be interested in seeing this story, the variations on Xeno reproduction/lifecycle are intriguing, and the creature design concepts are well thought out. A straight up Xeno infestation story would be cool.

I must admit that the story ideas based on Alien: Resurrection don't interest me much coz I really hated that movie! For my story purposes I stick to what is Canon as established in Alien/Aliens and ignore totally Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, Alien v Predator and Prometheus. it seems like this is what Blonkamp is doing for Alien 5 (which I have no confidence in whatsoever, Blonkamp makes films that look great but suck story wise he really needs to team up with a good writer!, and setting it after Aliens? I applaud him for ignoring the later crap films, but how the hell would this work? Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn are in their Sixties! How the fuck could they play characters 30 years younger? Shitloads of CGI and you end up with something weird and creepy like the CGI 'young" Jeff Bridges from the Tron sequel).

But I would definitely be interested in reading Alien: Unearthed and Alien: Affliction for sure!

BigDave

Oct-09-2015 9:39 AM

CGI overlay can work or not depends on who does it and the Quality...

 

Jeff Bridges is good example of not a great job...not bad but for a big movie like Alien 5 it wont do, even though to be fair Sigourney would only need a slight CGI so could work..... however look at  CGI Arnold from Terminator Genisys apply how little they need of that quality to a Sigourney and Acid Burnt Bien and it could work very well

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

JamietheBastard

Oct-14-2015 11:06 AM

Maybe it could work, maybe not. I just find I really can't get excited about the return of Ripley or Alien 5. Introduce some new characters the Franchise is called "Alien" not "Ripley"! It's been way too long since Aliens, they should have done this for Alien 3.

I hope you didn't take offence from my comments on your Alien Resurrection story ideas, to clear the air your ideas are quite good, It's just that I hated Alien Resurrection with a passion and anything based on this waste of celluloid doesn't interest me, no criticism of your ideas was intended, just my contempt for an awful, awful movie.

BigDave

Oct-15-2015 5:43 PM

No worries not offended at all....

My story was a idea of doing ANOTHER ALIEN MOVIE! set after or in the same timeline as Alien Resurection and i toyed with the idea of Ripley 8 DNA but thats not to say the draft would have Ripleys running around, the DNA could be used to extract certain characteristics and not to make a clone of Ripley 8.

The main idea was how and where do you go with Alien after Alien R?  The Xeno was dead after Aliens and Alien 3 why else would they bother with Ripleys DNA and the Ripley 1-8 clones, if the had Xeno Lifeform elsewhere?

So i thought how do we give us a new Alien movie, but do something a bit different to our usual Xeno... which is why i thought what if the company involved had shipped the failed Ripley 7 Queen to some other place, and also some early Ripley 8 DNA, the ship world travel at FTL speeds and so to go from a Space Station outiside of Earth to a moon around Saturn would not take long at all ... Prometheus at average speed to LV-223 would take about 5 minutes to get to Saturn from Earth.

So a ship that carries a failed Ripley 7 Queen and Ripley 8 DNA would surely get to a research outpost on the Moon Epimetheus  way before things go to pot on the outpost star base Auriga  even if we consider a vessel leaves a few hours after they extract a Ripley 8 DNA so before the  Betty docks with Auriga, this vessel then travels to the Moon of Saturn and docks within a hour after loading the Failed Xeno Queen and Ripley 7 DNA and then they start to experiment on the Queen... that leaves time for things to fall apart..

My idea was the ship leaves 72 hours before the Betty Arrives and so by the time the Auriga can contact the outpost on Epimetheus that Moon will be full swing into its own outbreak.... 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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