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MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 2:55 PM

AKA "Celeste"

While browsing the bonus features of the JP/// DVD, i came across an interesting little snippet called Montana: Finding new dinosaurs In it, Horner talks about field excavations, recruiting for those excavations, all that good stuff.

The camera panned over some plaster coated fossils somewhere towards the middle of the featurette, and what i saw made me pause instantly.

In bold black and red sharpie letters, was the name C-rex" on a number of the fossil specimens.

For those of you who doubted this thing existed, it's all so real.

Horner talks vaguely about finding "The largest specimen of Tyrannosaurus to date", and then some more vagueness about a hadrosaur - Vague is Horner's thing after all. Celeste is ~35% complete from what i've gathered, enough to get a size estimate off of...But that's going to come up shortly,

He later goes on to state this thing was "any where between 40-45 feet long, we really don't know for sure." He stated the same thing about the hadrosaur, which i'm guessing is Edmontosaurus Annectens, But i really have nothing to work with on that one.

According to Horner, it's one of the older Tyrannosaurus specimens ever found, which "will give us insite on the evolution of Tyrannosaurus" as he so eloquently put it.

"We have a complete torso, so for the first time we know the shape of Tyrannosaurus" he went on to say.

Really, because i thought it was Ankylosaurian in nature?

mind blown...

In all seriousness, C-rex is, no doubt, a specimen of Tyrannosaurus,

There's been internet speculation that "Celeste" as she is so affectionately called, was a Carcharodontosaur.

Well, let's take a look at it...shall we?

Here is one of the original casts of Celeste's skull.

Does that^

Look anything like that?

Not really, no.

So, it's a virtual certainty this thing was a tyrannosaurus.

Based on Horner's field measurements, "Celeste" is ~10% bigger then Sue.

Sue, originally thought to be the largest Tyrannosaurus specimen, measures 41 feet in length and a rough mass estimate of 7.5 tons

So, simple math shows a plausible size scenario for this new giant.

According to my calculations, Celeste would measure 44 feet in length, and weigh upwards of 8-8.5 tons

From this, it looks like we have a new largest specimen of Tyrannosaurus for the record books, folks

 

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

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Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 3:20 PM

To put it bluntly Carnosaur, you and I have had an "interesting" relationship lately. However, it seems we can agree on one thing and that's Celeste ;)

 

Don't know why so many people doubt it's existence and/or think it's a carcharodontosaur. Makes no sense to me.

 

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Allotitan

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 3:25 PM

Interesting post Carnosaur. I'm with RexFan, I don't know why some people think it's a charcaradontosaur or it's fake.

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Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 3:49 PM

At one point i too thought it was a Carcharodontosaur, but that was just because it was "outside the realm of possibility" as far as size went..

But that was years ago, and looking at that skull, it's clearly not Carcharodontosaurid in nature, or anywhere near that theropod tree.

I do know one thing though, that skull is massive. And Celeste does seem to represent a higher size estimate for Tyrannosaurus, it sure is interesting

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 3:51 PM

Wonder how old she was when she died?

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 3:54 PM

From what i've read  Tyrannosaurus was a "short lived" species, maybe with a life span of thiirty/ forty years.. If they have a leg bone we could tell simply by cutting it open, or so i've heard

but a wild guess on my part would be some where between 25 and thirty years old..mainly because age is a pretty clear dictation of size, but i doubt what we have here is just a really old individual

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 3:55 PM

I agree. Probably comparable to Sue in age(Sue being 28).

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusSep-10-2014 4:27 PM

Can't remember where, but it said T-Rex lived average 35 years, think it might have been in a research paper on the real live preserved T-Rex Tissue found a year ago.

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 4:33 PM

I've heard 30 being the max, but I like to give a range of 25-35 years considering it's hard to determine and it's not like we've found all the T.rexes that ever lived.

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusSep-10-2014 4:36 PM

We can only presume, I mean now that we know T-Rexes were pretty mich giant bad-ass birds, we sort of know how they may have attacked and sounded.

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Lord Vader

MemberTyrannosaurus RexSep-10-2014 4:39 PM

Interesting, and no doubt she was an older Rex. Given the fact that Sue was 28, I'd hazard to guess 30 or 31. 

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Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 4:47 PM

Seems logical.

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

dinoboy22

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 4:51 PM

@raptor-401 scientists know what they may have sounded like? i know we know how they attacked but never knew that

Tyrant king

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 5:11 PM

how do people mistake that for a carnosaur? ugh, some people dont know dinosaurs.

Sci-Fi King25

MemberAllosaurusSep-10-2014 5:21 PM

Thanks for sharing this Carnosaur!

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Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusSep-10-2014 7:26 PM

Dinoboy, basically since a lot of them were birds, they obviously sounded something like them.

 

Some, were like bipedal crocodiles.

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

dinoboy22

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 7:40 PM

just my opinion but i dont think a lot of them sounded like birds at all. some of them maybe. id like to think dinosaurs sounds vary greatly

Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusSep-10-2014 8:08 PM

Well, since some of them were birds they had to sound like birds. Just saying.

 

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

JPCerato

MemberCompsognathusSep-10-2014 11:08 PM

Thanks for sharing! These find are so interesting...

Tyrant king

MemberCompsognathusSep-11-2014 3:54 AM

 No Dinosaur sounded the same.

Spinosaurus Rex

MemberCompsognathusSep-11-2014 2:30 PM

I believe Sue has found her match lol, time for a new Rex!

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