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Purpose for Prometheus (Questions from Alien).

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BigDave

Mar-17-2014 11:56 AM

I will now attempt to address the basis for a Prequel to Alien...

What is left not answered in the Alien Franchise but more so Alien...?

 

1) Who was the Space Jockey, what race and where did he come from?

We are shown that the Space Jockey is connected to the Engineers in Prometheus they may be the same Race, they may be a race created by the Engineers, or that created the Engineers or they was both created by some other race.  And chances are the Space Jockey is thus also Humanoid or even the same Race as the Engineers.

And that some part of this connection the Engineers had a hand in created Mankind, and then Genetically upgrading us and visiting us over the years.

2) What was the purpose of the Derelict Ship?

We are shown that the ship is similar and connected to the one in Prometheus and thats its purpose was to carry a Bio Weapon. It is a Cargo Ship that carry and transport Bio Weapons.  Maybe for use as a Weapon and maybe sometimes to be carried to certain places for testing and re-engineering.

3) Why was it carrying Eggs and where did the Xeno come from?

Prometheus shows us some connections as above that there is a connection between the Urns and the Eggs, and that they are intended as Bio Weapons. The Derelict was carrying a Bio Weapon Cargo but with some hinted given off film.  We can not for sure tell if the Ship had Eggs on it, or if it had something else on it that evolved to Eggs. Or even if that was Urns. And we cant rule out that something had evolved and infected the Pilot and then we got the Eggs. 

Prometheus has not addressed this and maybe even added more Ambiguity compared to the idea before that a Bio Weapon Egg Cargo was being transported to some unknown destination, was that to use as Weapon? Was they be stored somewhere, or even carried to be experimented on or re-engineered? We just cant be sure.

Prometheus gives us some connection between the Urns on LV 223 and the Eggs in Alien but as far as which comes first and was the Xeno a creation  of this process on LV 223, or created somewhere else or even a experiment created on some other Organism that produced the Xeno is not known.

4) What happened to the Derelict and Space Jockey?

This is something that we have the answers in Alien all ready, but Ridleys comments as of Prometheus now do not make it clear that the Eggs was on the Ship at the point it had taken off.  But he had before explained what happened and that is this ship was Carrying a Bio Weapon and it had left some destination to go to some other undisclosed destination but did not get far as the Pilot had somehow got infected with the Cargo and he then had to lay down the closest course to Quarantine the Cargo on the nearest Baron Moon/Planet and then set off a SOS to warn his Race that the Cargo had become compromised.

How this happened, well if the ship had Eggs then what happened to Kane gives us all the clues we need and most likely at one point the Space Jockey had left his chair to investigate the Cargo Hold or near the Cargo hold and got infected by one of the Cargo.

5) Where did Weyland Yutani come from?

Prometheus shows us that Weyland corp/Industries was created by Pioneer Peter Weyland.  A inventor a Scientific Genius who had created lots of Technology and Medical Advances for mainly the improvement of Tech to be used in Medicine and Exploration and Terraforming of new Worlds. 

While Prometheus does not show us, the Weyland Viral sites etc show us Yutani is a rival company who seem to more specify in Military Tech, but they both have in common is the creation of Artificial Life Forms, Androids in which there was a conflict over a patent in the design of David Model, which most likely is to do with some Technology that makes the David model unique and holds some advantage over the design of the Weyland Androids and how this Patent gives them a advantage in the Market for Artificial Companions/Workers and most likely to do with the lifelike technology that goes into the David models and onwards.

The movie franchise so far does not show us how the company came to Merge but its safe to assume that the CEO and his Number 2 are both dead, and the company would now have a void as far as Power Struggle over who takes over and countless Trillions the mission has cost and could cost.

6) How did the company know about the Derelict Signal and Specimen (Alien DC)?

The Weyland Viral sites seems to show that the company had detected a Alien signal from the Zeta 2 Reticuli System.  And it would appear that as Dr Holloway and Shaw had found clues left by many Ancient Cultures to the same System.  Its logical that the Prometheus mission was sent out to that System but first for some reason had more interest in the Moon LV 223.

We can not be sure how close LV 223 and LV 426 are, and indeed there is a chance that maybe David 8 could have intercepted the Signal from LV 426 but first the mission was to check out LV 223 as maybe the Star Maps pointed more to this specific location.

After the events of Prometheus Shaw set off a SOS, and chances are the company may have at some point found this SOS as well and may even have had information passed onto it from David during the exploration of LV 223.

The Weyland Files have a file on the Urns/Black Goo, if this is taken as Canon then that means either David 8 managed to pass on his findings of the Urns onto the company, or that maybe the company gets this info after the events of Prometheus. But it would make little sense but we can  not rule out that the company knew about this stuff before Prometheus... ie it was not the first ship to be on LV 223.  But i would have to say maybe we throw out the Weyland Goo File.

The events of Prometheus, whats left on LV 223, the Shaws and Space Jockeys SOS and what ever David had sent back to the company during his mission and what happens between Prometheus and Alien timeline as far as Weyland and Yutani and LV 223 would give some indication as to why the company (As Ash says in Alien DC) knew something about the Bio Weapon.

 

So there you have it my interpretation of the main purpose for doing a Alien Prequel and what Prometheus and the Related Viral sites have given us about those questions.

Off course its raised just as many new questions as what it attempted to answer.

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33 Responses to Purpose for Prometheus (Questions from Alien).

Necronom 4

Mar-17-2014 6:37 PM

@BigDave; love your posts bro!

Imo:

1) Who was the Space Jockey, what race and where did he come from?

I'm pretty sure that Ridley is trying to show us who the Space Jockey is with Prometheus. There certainly are big differencies between the engineers and the space jockey from ALIEN, (especially the size difference,) however, this shouldn't make us come to the conclussion that they might be two different races, i don't think even Ridley would want to go down that rabbit hole, it would be way too confusing! 

2) What was the purpose of the Derelict Ship?

Well, Ridley as stated on numerous occassions that he always thought the derelict was a bomber that was probably used in some ancient war and the eggs were his cargo/weapons. The egg silo does appear to be much too large to be a part of the derelict, but according to Ridley and other members of the film crew, it is indeed a part of the derelict. We have to suspend our disbelief in order to appreciate it. However, before the release of Prometheus and the reveal of the juggernaut, you could be forgiven to assume that maybe the egg silo part of the derelict had somehow been buried under thousands of years worth of cooled, volcanic vomit. The juggernaut in Prometheus doesn't appear to have enough space below to house an egg silo. Maybe the derelict is a different design compaired to the other juggernauts? But i doubt it. I just think that they didn't pay enough attention to it and didn't bargain on us fans pulling them up on it.

3) Why was it carrying Eggs and where did the Xeno come from? Wouldn't we all love to know the answer to that one?

4) What happened to the Derelict and Space Jockey?

This is one of the questions i was hoping would be answered in Prometheus. We know from Ridley's comments that the space jockey left LV 223 around the time of the outbreak and that he was infected by his cargo, forcing him to set down on LV 426 where he then set off a warning beacon. But, was he carrying a cargo of eggs or was he carrying a silo full of urns that changed into eggs? All we can do at this point is speculate, but i believe that he was carrying a cargo of eggs, then somehow got facehugged en route, but why eggs? where were they from? And what happened to the chest burster that was born of the space jockey?

5 and 6) Don't know. Couldn't even hazard a guess, but i need to know!!!

The poster was good though!

 

meshuggah

Mar-18-2014 1:54 AM

Nice write up. 

I think this will all be addressed definitively at some point, even if it's offscreen. I'm extremely doubtful that the derelict was originally carrying a cargo of eggs from the get go, it just doesn't seem viable. Close proximity to these things and you're literally screwed, and look how they're all interconnected by veiny tentacles, suggesting that they grew there. Can you imagine Engineers plucking these things up from the ground and placing them all up like pineapples? How? No. The 'eggs' weren't the original cargo, I think that is heavily implied if not definitively proven.

Ridley has stated that the original pilot's 'cargo' 'got out of control' and it is interesting to compare the visual similarities between the ampule chamber and the egg silo, I think it is more than just a nod. We see that the black slime does affect the metal material of the urns; it literally melts through it and mixes thus there is definitely some biomechanoid process going on there. The slime (or goo rather) doesn't leak from the seams but literally melts through the tops of the lids, we even see some Non-newtonian activity going on. Quite simply the urns in the chamber weren't as well controlled as the stockpile we see on the Juggernaut, they become increasingly unstable at room temperature and the cargo hold had a lot more mist evident, indicating better containment. I believe this is the clue as to what happened to the derelict's cargo. Through trial and error in containment the engineers discovered just how volatile their bioweapons were and they killed them in the end.

The ampules seem to contain all the chemistry to create the xenomorph and in Prometheus Ridley misdirects its audiences by showing us DNA strands infecting other organisms and a reverse engineering of the classic lifecycle. I think the engineers wanted to reverse engineer the weapon in order to control it better, the original xenomorph is 'too perfect'  when the DNA is left unchecked it rapidly evolves itself.

Considering how the 'eggs' in O'bannon's 'Star Beast' were originally identified as glossy urns with strange markings and then later identified as 'eggs' is rather telling, I tell ya, I look forward to the forthcoming Dark Horse comics.

Batchpool

Mar-18-2014 6:12 PM

One of the things I've noticed about the warning beacon on LV 426, is why the crew of the Nostromo never really identified its location in relation to the Derelict, because I think there is the possibility that the Derelict may have homed in on the beacon, just like the Nostromo. Maybe I've overlooked something here, but Im wondering if the Derelict set down on top of the beacon left by something else.

Just a thought.

 

BigDave

Mar-19-2014 10:01 AM

"Can you imagine Engineers plucking these things up from the ground and placing them all up like pineapples?"

 

This is a big mystrey up until Prometheus as well, Gigers idea was the ship actually made the Eggs.  The movie Alien left it unexplained, Aliens shows they can be laid by a Queen. And in Prometheus we see that maybe neither is the case and are left wondering is there a way to move the Eggs Safely, if thats the case should those procedures had protected the Space Jockey.

But then we get the Frescos in Prometheus showing us a Xeno Hand holding a Egg, we can assume Xenos can move the Eggs, and then we see the Xeno type Organism that has hands just like the Xeno that is in a Fresco with a Engineer. What is this connection? Could the Engineers use these creatures to move the Eggs?

There is just so many clues and counter clues to this mystrey as the LV 223 Temple Frescos and Murals show a connection to the Eggs and Face Huger Type Creatures  surely this means the Eggs are known before the LV 223 outbreak?

Ridley said about the Derelict set off but did not get far!

This is  MASSIVE HINT if what Ridley said is Canon, this for one implies that the LV 426 crash landing was not the destination but that its distance is not to far from the location the Derelict Left.... how far is not far?  On a Galactic level for a Advanced Race we can not assume its simply from One moon around a planet to the next as think about it.. if this was the case then journey time in those craft that have to at least be Light Speed would be what mere seconds.

So from leaving a LV 223 Docking Station to LV 426 would take few minutes tops, that is not enough time for something to Evolve from Urn to Eggs.

So i think we can throw out the Urn to Egg theory and Egg then infected the Space Jockey, as the only way that could logically happen is..

1) The Ship had Eggs on it.

2) The Ship had Urns or some other early type of storage container maybe Leathery Urns and something from them (Face Huger Type) got the Engineer/Space Jockey and either then the Eggs latter Evolved into Eggs some how.

3) That like above occuried only what every came out of the Space Jockey then some how morphed the Cargo into Urns or used the Material inside to Lay or Produce the Eggs.

4) The Urns or other Storage had infected the Engineer/Space Jockey somehow in a way that made him have some Organism grow in him and chest busted and then as above this Organism either Evolved the Urns/What ever or Laid Eggs.

5) The Space Jockey was infected unknowing before he took off, but Ridley said it was by the Cargo, but again that could been by same kind of Cargo and some other point.

You see its all so Ambigious.

If we went the Cargo Evolved route or Egg Lay Route that could fit as logic says from what Ridley said that the Derelict must have landed a few hundred years before the LV 223 outbreak and the distance from where the Derelict left to where it had to land due to contamination on LV 426 must have been only a matter of few days tops of travel as Ridley said the ship never got far.  so logically that supports that it had Eggs or that what ever it was carrying did not lead to the Eggs during that short journey but after.

But then again Ridley said within a few hundred years he never said before the Outbreak so could been after. Which leads to many questions and posibilities.

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BigDave

Mar-19-2014 10:05 AM

@Batchpool

 

Interesting idea, but we have to remember that the Egg Cargo/silo and Derelict/Juggernaughts all share similar Architecture and thus would surely imply that who or what ever contructed the Derelict also did the same with the Egg Silo and this would seem to rule out that the Egg Chamber was found by the Engineers who never knew about it as the O'Bannon Star Beast Script sugested.

This dont mean to say the Engineers had not come across the Eggs or Xeno and so never created them, it simply means that if thats the case then LV 426 could not have been the first place they encountered them... although Spaights draft seems to show that could be the case.

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meshuggah

Mar-19-2014 9:43 PM

We can't rule out anything at this point. I would like to point to the contrast in storage temperatures however between the cargo hold in the juggernaut and the silo in the derelict. One is chilled the other, to quote Kane, is like the 'tropics'. Notice how in the temple the temperature was below zero...My bet is that the ampules became rapidly unstable and changed into the eggs, how? Doesn't really matter, it's just biomechanical chemistry baby!

Ruhaniya

Mar-20-2014 12:03 AM

That's interesting that theory about the temperature diffence! It's supper cold storage for your alien beer.  Let it get a tad too warm, and the worms will work their way to the fountain of goo.  Ever see the original Dr Who of the Cybermen!

http://youtu.be/hmFPvL6uRoc

You guys got me thinking about the suit and how it wrapps around the Engineer.  When they go into the Ornary Room there ar3 4 Engineer Statues with them in an Snork pressure suit.  All of them that died in the structure were wearing Space suits as well.  There are 5 or 6 temple structure which makes about 20 to 24 engineers total but if you subtract 4 from the main one and one from the Head Room that would make 15 to 23 outside that door. Thats if each 4 Passengers per spaceship that doc's at the temple. Shoot, I just counted 19 corpses at the door.  So much for that! I keep thinking about the one guy in the beginning who eats the clear gel like things in the beginning.  Perhaps not all the Engineers are willfully kamakazi commandos?  Maybe it is? It doesn't matter if the Engineers  are not the same size as the guy in the Derelict.  We don't know the long term effects of wearing the suit and beginning exposed to nano tech over long and distant journeys.  Where you are one with your craft!. 

BigDave

Mar-20-2014 10:17 AM

Well the Urns again is another item that has some confusion and inconsistancies.

You see the Weyland files tell us indeed that the Urns need to be kept a certain space apart and are affected by climate changes, but the Cargo Hold of the Juggernaught they are all stacked up close together.

Maybe what the movie shows us, is maybe when they are close together they stay stable, so if the Urns are moved so they are futher apart that could cause them to react? This could be a point... or maybe not significant.

However yes climate and atmospheric changes, do seem to have a impact on the Urns being Activated. But also maybe other things such as the pressence of CO2 or other chemicals can affect them.   This would maybe fit in with why the Engineers wear the Space Jockey Suits as they dont seem to need them outside, at least not for a certain period of time.

The Eggs well they seem to be affected by sensory movement, as Kane was wearing a Helmet.  And he said the tempreature was hot down  there and we have to assume that the Eggs may need a certain tempreature as i am sure in Aliens the area they was laid in was near heating pipes etc of the complex.

As for if certain tempreature changes or even on its own or combined with contamination of certain organisms (Worms) could lead to the Urns or at least something inside of them to leak out and change into Eggs.  We cant rule that out.

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BigDave

Mar-20-2014 10:53 AM

I wanted this topic to be about mainly what things we never knew about the Space Jockey Race, the Xeno and there connection and creation and Agenda.

So maybe going off topic if we talk about the Urns.

But here is what we do see, the Cargo Hold is not affected by the crew walking past but they do not spend a long time in that room. And the door to the Juggernaught Cargo Hold is closed and opens at both times in the movie when David enters.

This means this environment is sealed off more, and the Ampoule Urns are positioned more closely together.

I can only assume that the Urns contain some element in them that keeps them cool if they are stored close together, like how Penguins can survive harsh cold environments by staying huggled up together to keep them warm.

When the Urns are further apart they do not keep as cool, just as Penguins who are not standing close enough will get cold. 

We also maybe have to consider that not only changes in atmosphere due to temperature effects them but also maybe something we breath out that does, or at least that helps to warm the room up.

A massive clue is David, when he says the Urns was sweating, which means that temperature raising is effecting them,  he then says Organic which means the substance is Organic but also somehow the top of the Urns seem to be effected by the changes.

This shows us a clear image of the insides of the Urns maybe due to changes the substance we see around the Phials inside could somehow eat through, or most likely maybe there is some kind of substance ontop of them that seals them, like how you can use wax to seal something but when heat is applied the Wax Melts... this is what i see happening ontop of the Urns.  And when David freezes it, this prevents this from happening.

Why the Urns are laid out far apart if doing so makes them unstable, and having them close will prevent them from being affected.... well the only logical answer is they are placed there for a purpose, they are intended to be placed that way so they could be activated.

Maybe this fits in with the whole ITS A TRAP and not invitation?

Which gives us a question...... could it be a case of these Urns was being brought from the Juggernaughts to be placed inside that Ampule Mural Room, maybe the Mural is there as these Engineers want to set a trap and the Mural is to show what will become of this trap? Who knows...

Maybe the outbreak was caused in the process of moving some Urns to that room...

This does beg the question of why it appeared the Engineers seemed to be wanting to get to the Ampule/Mural Room as if iys poses some kind of sanctuary as opposed to threat.

They do however seem to be running away from the corridoors that lead to the Juggernaught docking bay, and then we have to ask about the 3 Cryo Pods that have Chest Busted Engineers?

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granolaboy

Mar-20-2014 1:39 PM

Everybody is talking about the "eggs" and where they are from, but I wish we could speak more about the "bird" specie. We could also named it the elefantine creature because it's not clear if it's got a beak or a trunk instead of a mouth... there is obviously a missing link in the equation between engineers and the xenomorph life cycle. I really hope we will discover more of this race in P2 !

 

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Redant

Mar-20-2014 7:25 PM

@Mr Ruhaniya,

“It doesn't matter if the Engineers  are not the same size as the guy in the Derelict.  We don't know the long term effects of wearing the suit and beginning exposed to nano tech over long and distant journeys. Where you are one with your craft!”.

This is a profound observation with an important scientific connection to the Prometheus movie.  It is plausible to consider that the development of engineers takes several hundred years. As engineers develop they use a lot more nano tech and get taller. The much larger body mass could help engineers with every conceivable type of threat in space or something terrestrially.

The possibilities are endless when we try to consider what engineers are capable for of with a several hundred year life span.

This idea is so good I would like to think that this is most correct way to try to understand how an engineer would grow into a stronger taller more capable being.

I like this explanation more than any other that I have read about the engineers so far. However, I realize that Scott made exceptions to get this movie made. So we all know that realistically the engineers are much taller to begin with. What we are shown in the movie Prometheus is not a real representation of what Scott wanted.

In the sequal to Prometheus I think everyone here would like to see an fully evolved Engineer over 20 feet tall. This could be done with a production budget that does not require all the other engineers to be of this taller height. I think this would be a great way to explain why the original engineer we see on LV-426 is 26 feet tall.

I would like to think that engineers evolve and when they are fully ready for full combat only the tallest most capable ones go into combat to deliver a biological weapons payload.

Thank you once again Mr Ruhaniya for the incredible insight. 

Redant

Mar-20-2014 7:41 PM

It is interesting that almost everyone with the exception of people who are really big fans of this movie universe know that the Xenos and possibly the Engineers are part synthetic bio machines.

The majority of people watching all of these movies have no idea what the Xenos are really made of.  Acid for blood and metal teeth? look at the Xenos more carefully and you see that they are very complex machines and not more elementally organic based weapons.

They are very high tech nano synthetic Engineered designed nano weapons.

 

shambs

Mar-21-2014 6:44 AM

To me the xenomoprhs were like biomechanicals androids. Btw, I like the idea that engineers change their size with nanotechnology (that could explain the differences in size) but what if the suits are just larger than the user (as a vehicle), as in the following case:

BigDave

Mar-21-2014 6:53 AM

@granolaboy

Yes this creature could be the missing link, this creature also appears to be holding the Egg in the Fresco, it and the Xeno are very similar as far as Hands and Arms go, another interesting thing is this beak like look is not the first appearence in the Franchise.

The above is one of Gigers early Face Huger designs if you see this image above is near enough the same as the Prometheus Mural.

Likewise as that Face Huger is the 2nd design, above is the 2nd Xeno design, if you notice this one is not so much Xeno looking, its dome head is more starting from the front than going futher back like the Xeno.  Also it has eyes and it as same kind of tongue/tube that the Face Huger above has.

so this image above is kind of like a half way point from the thing in the Fresco to the Xeno.

If you then look below at the Star Beast Mural, you will see that the Sacrifcial Beast is similar to the Prometheus Fresco Creature and that the resulting Chest Buster is actually not far off the fully grown Trillobite that came from out of Shaw.

Maybe there is a connection?  In Star Beast the Space Jockey was not the orginal creators of the Xeno, they actually came across it. The Prometheus Mural and Frescos show us Organisms that are a lot like the old Giger Concepts and also Star Beast.  Maybe the Engineers came across some Organism and they then tried to re-engineer and borrow from it.

 

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BigDave

Mar-21-2014 7:03 AM

As far as the Engineers size, yes the plan simply was to have them as 15ft tall, the Space Jockey was about 13-16ft so they tried to make the Engineers the same size, it was changes in how they would make the movie that led to them being smaller, Ridley simply never had the budget to pull off Larger race and is no fan of CGI when in hindsight LOR camera trickery and effects could have pulled it off.

But Prometheus is linking to Ancient Mankind and our many different cultures interpretations of Gods, and these are not all uniform size, Ancient Cultures show Gods and Giants to vary from 8ft-20ft tall.

We also see a patern that Engineers created us in their image and we created David 8 in ours, why does this patern have to start with the Engineers?  Could they had been created in the image of another race?  Are they like David 8 is to us, to the Elders that Ridley is going back to the drawing board with.

Humans vary on average from 4.5ft-6.5ft tall people below 4ft are consider to have genetic Dwarfism and those over 7ft genetic Giagantism.  If we consider that the average Human is thus 5.5ft tall and thus Engineers could be between 7 to 10 ft tall.

The Space Jockey could be either a taller Re-designed Elder race who stand 10-15ft tall, or indeed another Race of 12-15ft beings created by them, or even the race who created the Elders and Engineers.  There is a number of ways to explain who the Space Jockey is and the size difference.

 

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BigDave

Mar-21-2014 7:08 AM

As far as the Bio-Mech look....

The Sacrificial Engineer and Elders (which we may have to pretend we never saw) and the Space Ship all did not have the Giger Bio-Mech look, now this scene would had been set like at least 500 Million years ago and maybe over a Billion.

The Xeno has a Bio-Mech look, infact the Architecture and Contruction Materials of the Xeno, Hives are very similar to the Engineers Juggernaught/Derelict and corridors in Prometheus.

There has to be a connection, also the Space Jockey suits are also some what Bio-Mech and the Engineers on LV 223 Preasure Suits are too.

Does this Technology share a comon trait with the Xeno, you have to say yes.  The Question is... Does the Xeno Tech come from the Engineers, or does the Engineers Tech come from the Xeno or do they both come from some other higher Organism/Race or Machine etc.

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BigDave

Mar-21-2014 7:36 AM

Here is the idea that i am drawn to and its kind of what a draft for Paradise i was working on was based on....  These Engineers are merely like David, they are genetically engineered to perform tasks that the Elders no longer have to do.

We look at the reason David 8 was created, well the Elders created the Engineers likewise and thus they have no sex... but they are Biological Machines and not Synthetic.

If we go the Annunaki route as this Sumarian tale is one of the oldest of Gods, and this tale tells that the Annunaki created the Igigi to serve the Annunaki Gods, they fit in well with the Greek Olympians who came from the Titans and if we take the Koran and Bible we have God and Angels and Ridley refered to the Engineers as Fallen Angels.

Thus if we take connection between Abrahamic God, Greek Titans and Annunaki and tie them to the Engineer Elders what we next have is the Greek Olympians, Annunaki Igigi and Abrahamic Angels what if these are our Engineers.

All these tales tell of a Rebelion in the order of Hierarchy.

The Annunaki tale sugest that they created Mankind to replace the rebelious Igigi.

Now what we see with these Engineers are they are a race of Advanced Technology they are a race and indeed their creators are too, that dable a lot in Genetic Experiments.

We see the Sacrificial Goo as being a substance that can be used to break down a Organisms Genetic Code and produce a new substance that can pass traits of this code onto and evolve other organisms to then take on those traits and evolve into a hybrid that carries traits of the organism seeded with the Goo.

What other ways of Genetic Engineer do they have?

Maybe they came across some Organism that they then liked there Genetic Code and some of the abilities of such Organism. The Engineers felt if they could re-engineer and borrow certain aspects of this Organism they could use it to Advance their own Technology.

We now are finding ways to genetically produce Spider Silk so we can use this to Advance Contruction Materials, surely our Scientists can think of many other lifeforms that have traits we could use to Genetically improve our race or take from to use as Technology.

Could our Engineers had done the same, and used some Ancient Lifeform to borrow from it the Bio-Tech that goes into their Space Suits, their newer Ships just as Mankind is trying to harness Spider Silk, and where next for Mankind as we try to replicate other genetic traits of life on earth and their natural ability to produce substances for contruction like wise how Bees Build Bee Hives etc.

Maybe these Engineers thus borrowed from some Ancient Organism, but they also conducted experiments trying to create a Hybrid of their Race and the Life form they encountered but the offspring of those experiments or some was the creation of the Xeno or its Predessesor?

This is one posibility and the one that i like the most that ticks all the boxes, its one that also goes back to the orginal Star Beast.

IN A NUT SHELL....

Had Weyland Yutani been sucsessful with the capture of the Xeno, would they use it purely as a Weapon?

Surely they would look to see what else they can borrow from it as far as using for new Materials, for Advancements in Medical Applications.  There is more to the Xeno genetically and how it creates its Hives than just to use as a Weapon.... now imagine the Ancestor and Orgins of the Xeno, surely this Organism or what ever had many more uses it could be used for and stuff taken from it.

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Redant

Mar-21-2014 4:01 PM

@BigDave 

I think it is confusing when you state that the engineers are "bio-machines".

The word machine means a mechanical thing with parts. I could not give as good a 
definition as wikipedia but here it is anyway..."A machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action. Machines are usually powered by mechanical, chemical, thermal, or electrical means, and are often motorized". 

So yes we could say that bio machines have bio parts that do work. However, machines that everyone is used to understanging are metallic in nature and have no "bio" parts to them. 

It is interesting that only recently in the early 21st century are we now beging to design
real bio-machines. They are making human organs that work and function just like the organ they intended to preplace. They can make skin, heart valves, parts of lungs, treaceas, are working on bone, teeth, parts of liver and so on. 

I think the engineers are part synthetic and that means they are made by the engineers them selfs. These parts can either be a combination of metal and organic elements or 
even new elements that we do not have on the periotic table. The reason I state this is
because they have been doing DNA development more than a hundred thousand years.

I could only imagine what we will be doing with genitics, buiding DNA in many new combinations in the next few decades. Could you imagine what the engineers must be able to do after more than 100,000 years or more.

Redant

Mar-21-2014 4:01 PM

@BigDave 

I think it is confusing when you state that the engineers are "bio-machines".

The word machine means a mechanical thing with parts. I could not give as good a 
definition as wikipedia but here is anyway..."A machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action. Machines are usually powered by mechanical, chemical, thermal, or electrical means, and are often motorized". 

So yes we could say that bio machines have bio parts that do work. However, machines that everyone is used to understanging are metallic in nature and have no "bio" parts to them. 

It is interesting that only recently in the early 21st century are we now beging to design
real bio-machines. They are making human organs that work and function just like the organ they intended to preplace. They can make skin, heart valves, parts of lungs, treaceas, are working on bone, teeth, parts of liver and so on. 

I think the engineers are part synthetic and that means they are made by the engineers them selfs. These parts can either be a combination of metal and organic elements or 
even new elements that we do not have on the periotic table. The reason I state this is
because they have been doing DNA development more than a hundred thousand years.

I could only imagine what we will be doing with genitics, buiding DNA in many new combinations in the next few decades. Could you imagine what the engineers must be able to do after more than 100,000 years or more.

Redant

Mar-21-2014 4:01 PM

@BigDave 

I think it is confusing when you state that the engineers are "bio-machines".

The word machine means a mechanical thing with parts. I could not give as good a 
definition as wikipedia but here is anyway..."A machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action. Machines are usually powered by mechanical, chemical, thermal, or electrical means, and are often motorized". 

So yes we could say that bio machines have bio parts that do work. However, machines that everyone is used to understanging are metallic in nature and have no "bio" parts to them. 

It is interesting that only recently in the early 21st century are we now beging to design
real bio-machines. They are making human organs that work and function just like the organ they intended to preplace. They can make skin, heart valves, parts of lungs, treaceas, are working on bone, teeth, parts of liver and so on. 

I think the engineers are part synthetic and that means they are made by the engineers them selfs. These parts can either be a combination of metal and organic elements or 
even new elements that we do not have on the periotic table. The reason I state this is
because they have been doing DNA development more than a hundred thousand years.

I could only imagine what we will be doing with genitics, buiding DNA in many new combinations in the next few decades. Could you imagine what the engineers must be able to do after more than 100,000 years or more.

meshuggah

Mar-22-2014 12:14 AM

I think the xeno-esque creature in the fresco is a perspected picture, the head looks like the Jockey helmet hence why it looks somewhat bird-like, thus it can be viewed as both a xeno-esque engineer or a xeno, remember the xeno physiology of the engineers.

BigDave

Mar-22-2014 4:34 AM

"@BigDave 

I think it is confusing when you state that the engineers are "bio-machines"."

 

Well its as you say, what makes a Machine? Machines comprise of moving parts and then need a fuel or energy source.... 

We are Machines we have parts and we need fuel (Food/Drink) only we are Biological Machines, meaning Organic not Synthetic.

But when i refer to the Engineers and Bio-Mech look what i mean is that there Technology i.e Machines, Suits etc are not completely synthetic but are part Organic. It seem there suits are kind of Part Living Organic to a certain extent... However we have to assume they are not quite as organic as we are, as well we have to assume the Space Jockey suits and other Tech is not affected by the Black Goo, but the actual Engineers are and the Engineers seeded their DNA to create us so they are Organic like we are.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-22-2014 4:40 AM

@meshuggah

Thats correct there is a connection between the Xeno and Engineers Tech, the Space Jockey suits do have certain aspects of the Xeno about them, the Engineers Derelict/Juggernaughts and LV 223 outpost walls  Contruction and Architecture do have a very similar look to the Xeno Hive.

They must be connected, and the creature in the Mural may be the missing link, it does look like a Mix of Space Jockey suit and Xeno for sure.  The thing is what order of Evolution is it?

Does the Space Jockey and this Creature come from the Xeno, does the Xeno and Space Jockey come from this Creature or does this Creature and Xeno come from the Engineer/Space Jockey... or do all 3 come from some other process/organism or machine.

I have a feeling that this Organism we see is the MISSING LINK to the whole equation and hopefully we will find out more about this Creature and its Origin and connection with the Engineers and Xeno.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

meshuggah

Mar-22-2014 5:18 AM

I think the engineers derive all their tech from the black substance, which I surmise was synthesised from the green crystal. Everything from their flight suits, to their architecture, etc. 

granolaboy

Mar-22-2014 10:09 AM

@ meshuggah
I love the parallel you made between the fresco creature and engineers suit !
Does anybody here think that engineers could have stolen everything we see in Prometheus movie ? The croissant ship, the suit, the goo, biotech and everything could belong to the Birdy xeno race... As we see it at the beginning of the movie during the waterfall sequence, older engineers seemed to have a completely different technology ( rogue & oblong spaceship).

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Ruhaniya

Mar-22-2014 11:56 AM

Maybe there is a connection to wearign the suit and evolving into a higher form such a these Deities:

meshuggah

Mar-22-2014 9:10 PM

That's all I think it is, the engineers have xeno-esque features, thus I think the fresco represents the first engineer to sacrifice himself to the black goo, which transformed him into a xeno-esque hybrid like Fifield (no tubes or tail), and since the fresco shows a peeled egg this perhaps shows that this engineer was the first to sacrifice himself to an egg.

BigDave

Mar-23-2014 9:48 AM

Ha Ha... but where does that Egg come from lol...

Thats the beauty with the Franchise is we really cant get a 100% sure answer as there is just so many possible explanations.. i  intended this thread to show us what Questions from Alien that a prequel or prequels could and maybe would have to answer.

So may do another thread on the Frescos one where we can diagnose and look in detail just on them.

"Does anybody here think that engineers could have stolen everything we see in Prometheus movie"

Maybe, and maybe the Prometheus Myth could have some connections, it could very well be they stole the Goo off the Gods, it could very well be the Goo at the start of the movie had many purposes and it is used to seed basic life and then futher exposure to the goo then then futher Evolves life and the reason the Engineers may had been back over and over.

Maybe the Engineers at the start stole that Goo maybe this was the stealing of the fire?

Maybe a rogue fraction used this Goo on something else they used the Goo for another purpose than to seed life, and as a result used it to create the Xeno or used it on the Xeno Ancestor and as a result created the Xeno or its Predessor and for this they got burnt by this Fire.

There really is no set one way to show what the connections could be.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-23-2014 3:40 PM

@meshuggah

The Frescos are very interesting, i would like to maybe start a Topic just for those..

What we see is this Organism has a lot of traits of the Xeno, and it appears to be the same creature with the Engineer that is holding the Egg but what purpose.

1) Is it offering itself as a Sacrifice? i would consider that for the purpose we have seen of the Xeno and how the Goo in the Urns work, then i maybe would doubt any reason a Xeno related Organism would offer itself as a Host to a Xeno Egg.  Cant rule that out but just seems less logical.

2) Is this as some before sugested this organism eating something from the Egg? I doubt that is makes little sense at all.

3) Does this show this Organism is maybe abble to transport the Eggs without being infected and could this mean these are used to place the Eggs near a intended Sacrifice, such as in Aliens the way some Eggs got in some places could only had been if they was moved by something and not laid in that place.. thus the Xeno must have moved them to be placed near a Host at a different location to the Egg Laying Part of the Colony (Hadley's Hope ).

Thus i think this fresco was showing us the same thing, that the creature in the Fresco is carrying the Egg to be placed near a intended host.  But are these creatures controlled by the Engineers, thats the big question and one maybe the other Fresco can give us clues to.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Batchpool

Mar-23-2014 4:15 PM

@ Granolaboy

I think that the engineers have stolen a lot of the technology also, hence the different ships.

I will post a thread on the subject at some point as this thread has its own purpose.

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