The Invitation

Inside the gym when Dr's Holloway, and Shaw put up the holographic map of the different cave paintings it is understood that for these primitive humans to have made the cave paintings that they must have had contact with Elders. Take a look at the film again. The figures are very tall and elongated. These figures in the cave paintings are just crude copies of aliens and diagrams reprensenting planets and a star. It's finger paint dude! LOL

@Visionary Alpha now we both know this creates a plot hole so big that we could fit this planet through it LOL cause I don't know about you brother but if Dem Der primitive Humans went all up into DER cave and painted it all out I really don't think the Tall Aliens could have said hey we made you humans now get up in DAT cave and paint it so it shows everyone what we look like and where we live. OKLY DOKELY LOL.

This is just something you will have to accept as part of the fun ok and just roll with it man...just roll with it. And by the way if you have a cave I want you to go out and make a cave painting of this conversation in this post and I will show up with a team of Doctors and discover it...then make a film about it....and call it Prometheus one and a half and two thirty thirds LOLOLOLOO ROLF LOL. Way tooooooooooo funny!

Don't tell anyone PSSSST keep this between you and me ok Alpha but I see very funny comments on the way from this post! LOL

Actually I think that is one of the more plausible parts. If you think about it basically the engineers just showed a projection map to the ancient 'humans' then the humans went off and drew pictures of the event or drew it while still looking at the projection (for accuracy). And yes it could easily be interpreted as an invitation. Though that is not certain. 

BwaaaahaaaaLOLOOLLOROLFROOOOOLF LOL  so now your telling me the Elders or Aliens even more intleligent than the elders say yep here we are come vist us some day when your ready. Do you go to the grocery store and leave cave paintings in the bathroom for the cows you consume to come visit you when they are ready............ahhhhhhhhhhhhh oh stop please Im begging you I havent laughed this hard for years. IT's making me cry its so funny. 

You just don't get it do you. The elders created the engineers to create us for live stock for the xeno.....this is too funny. Seriously 
stop this is beyond funny! LOL

Ah but it is a perfect way to know when the crop is 'ripe' which would be when we are able to travel through space that far. If indeed that is the story line which is not so likely anyway. As in why would they spend thousands of years guiding and teaching us maybe even sending jesus to us if we were only crops! This points to something more like more than one faction of engineer/elders or just a massive change in the whole empire...

Redant

Read the spaihts script. It wasn't so there . They had very specific information on the position of the star system. What o am asking you is: why do you think they changed it so much and who was behind it ?? Ridley ?? Fox ?? Brandywine. The potential to add from deleted scenes and create a masterpiece is unparalleled which leads me to believe that is the reason why they did this . We'll what do you think ?? I d love to know your opinion about this !!!

My speeling and grammar sucks. It is the only thing I have in common with Einstein. Get used to it.....

@oduodu,

Hey no need to put that out there. Your cool with me oduodu. 

In all honestly I think this is open for interpertaion. The problem is that it is so subjective as to what would be a real plot device here that it could be pointless to discuss it. Seriously, Aliens so intelligent capable of traveling light years across space and needing us for anything or evolving us for anything. 

It would be like any of you saying nope not going to use a cell phone. Someone please get me a copper cable, couple of magnets, and few batteries, I will take the time to streatch the thing around the planet to send a message when you could as easily do it with a text message.

The point is the plot can't match anything that these Elders would need that they could not do with a computer right where they are at-they have computers
right?
These elders are powerfull enough to use the power of a star or stars. They are very inteligent powerfull beings. No need for us at all.

You don't look down at the plants in your garden and say some day when you are ready come over so I will know when its's time for the next step of our relationship. A plant is pure science. No communication with the plant is necessary unless you like talking to plants that is. You wont ever get much of meaningful reply. This would be the same thing. These elders have mastered DNA PERIOD!

They build garbage like us because it's like a toy to them. They don't need it anymore than you need dirt on your shoe. People in our real world produce plot devices like this so it can create a story. That's all it is. It's not the best fiction but it's the best game in town. Unless you like watching commercials on tv instead?

So ok if you need Aliens that our this intelligent to come talk to us in a fictional movie OK I am with you on it. I might be able to bend the truth a little and pitch in and create some kind of plausable senario for this; but, it would only be a matter of time before people take enough layers off of it and see where the contradiction is. That's what this is ok. It can happen to very intelligent screen writers LOL

LOL in space no one can here you screem right! ROFL LOOFLOOFOLOOLOOOL.

OK with this plot divice no one can hear us screeming through the internet for real quality movies and plots either. Read a Philip K. Dick novel or something if you want real science fiction. What do you want me to tell you.

LOL give me your cell phone we are going to act out this movie together LOL we will be the elders and the cell phone will represent us the human DNA OR hem hem ahhhhhhh the DNA. Ok we are going to push buttons on the cell phone to make the program open up one of it's menus so we can see what we programmed.

Please stop.....this is too funny I can't type stuff like this. 

So ultimately what is your take on prometheus ?? My issue with prometheus is how it contributes to the alien universe . If you ask me what great sci fi is I would have to say contact from carl sagan and 2001 space odessy with 2010 (as a resolution to 2001) . Because all of them acknowledges that something greater (an already finished higher being was behind our creation ) . Prometheus says the same thing. What I would lole to know how is prometheus adding to this alien universe and how does a creature that is well designed came to be and why (the xenomorph existed) this is where aliens shines. The xenops have intelligence but their instinctual nature doesn't allow it reign - it is the servant not the master - very much like homo sapiens - our desires rules and logic has very little place in that world. The available intelligence is government controlled especially after the second world war (free masons = united nations). They have technology we can't begin to imagine and where is genetics . They are already able to clone humans. I am sure of it. If they can do that then why not locate the genes that control the development of the logic centres of the brain ?? Make something that is very intelligent and then use sensory deprivation to control it. Have you read the door to december by dean coonts ?? That is I am sure what many governments have already done . Prometheus is just mirroring all of the above . Where does this leave the evolution theory ? I am mentioned 4 movies above that actually suggest that evolution is a controlled process , controlled by who ?? God ?? Some superbeing ?? 

Prometheus is redeemable. Why do you make a movie that costs $240 million and then cut another million to not make the movie not fitable with alien as in 15 feet engineers ?? 

So what do think of prometheus then ??

As is it the case with real world I can only assume that there is higher power that prevents the engineers from reaching the singarity because indeed why bother seeding worlds if you can just genetically manipulate something to make beings of super intelligence and then upgrade yourself with that super abity ?? Except maybe if there is someone preventing you from doing so ? Why would an engineer be baffled upon seeing a book of earth culture and intrigued by it ? Do they not have a culture of their own ?? Have they been oppressed by a higher force ?? To serve and subdue them ?? They should have reached the singarity a long time ago . What prevented them from doing so ??

Sorry "singularity"

Hey Redant,

if you were going to develop weapons of mass destruction, would you do it in your backyard? 

Or would you, perhaps, choose a nice, faraway and remote location? Seriously man, sure they could do it closer to home, but maybe they dont want 6 billion xenos right next door.

Stop rolling on the floor and just think about it dude.

Hmm, "To explain who the big Elephantine Trucker guy was, and why he was carrying egg cargo in his 'juggernaut'," Scott.

Let's never forget this.

@ Custodian thanks for that post clears a lot of things up real fast. I have been trying to tell a lot of people that the orignal Alien ship was a load of biological weapons and that the Engineers designed these things.
@Fleshvessle sure I completely agree that these Engineers are making weapons of mass destruction. For what reasons? Who knows? Maybe they found this blog when they went back in time and want to get back at us once and for all. LOL ROFL
It's not that I don't want to take this seriously it's that it's more fun
to not take this all too seriously. Seriously LOL

Well the whole thing is confusing because of the way they never gave it much thought, i.e looked at possible answers, it was left to speculation too much and especially if we only see the theatrical version.

There are mistakes in this movie that makes the answer harder to figure, such as Engineers sizes, but also we have to remember that some ancient cultures had a habit of exaggerating things when drawing, i mean have you seen some gave paintings of men with erect penises? Ones where their penises are depicted as bigger than their legs lol (boy there Herbal Viagra must have been good).   So sizes can be exaggerated.

But back to the topic, you see i think the movie contradicts itself and its trying to cover to many aspects and when goes onto another idea and part or the plot they seem to forget other parts and how it would tie in, and this is just the kind of writing that Lindeloff does.

I think the movie at the start shows us that these Engineers created us, and that those star maps are just records of how many different Ancient Cultures had interpreted visits from giant beings from the stars who created us, i think the idea was that these beings had also visited us in the past at many different points and taught us stuff and we worshiped them...

Basically the Ancient Astronaught theory.....

Latter they then tried to throw in the Xeno connection and how that LV 223 was a Weapons Facility and these beings wanted us destroyed, but then David also hints that they maybe wanted to upgrade us, well create a new lifeform.

The movie then has a lot of ambiguity and we are left with lots of possibilities such as was we used to be hosts for the Xeno or other experiments with the Goo... this seemed to be the now back bone of the plot.... but one that makes little sense to the beginning of the movie.

And then by taking out the deleted scenes makes things even worse....  and then Ridley now changes his comments from being the movie was about a giant race that created us and then visited and taught and upgrades us over thousands of years until there was a point when mankind had offended these Engineers for the last time and after one more attempt to get us to change our ways and behave in a way that these Engineers wanted. They then decided to pull the plug... thus weaponize the Goo only something went wrong.

Well now with the deleted scenes taken out, and more emphasis put on the LV 223 Weapons Facility and how these Engineers are aggressive SOB towards us, leads us down a different route that basically does not make sense to the original idea.

And that all along it was indeed..... A TRAP

But then why go through all that hassle, why make a invitation if they just wanted to destroy us, when they could just come to us, why did they need to wait for us to be at a certain age or level.... and we have to remember they attempted to come to us to destroy us so its not a case of leave a trap for when we can travel to LV 223.

Nope i have a simpler answer that ties in with the whole idea of who these Engineers are at the start of the movie and not what we see on LV 223. And that will be posted next! 

OK here is my idea and theory that i would like to see and its well what i made from the clues, if i ignore the whole Xeno connection as we do not know what that is yet.......

The idea of this movie seemed to be that the many ancient cultures and religions was just different interpretations of Ancient Alien Giant Beings from Space......  the movies clues as far as Holloway and Shaws work seem to show us these Engineers created life on Earth for what purpose we do not know.

But they seemed to care and nurture our race, helped us at different points to advance ourselves both technologically and maybe genetically... why? we cant be sure.

Now if we look at some of the Ancient Cultures and before the ONE GOD Religions, we was created and ruled over by a series of Gods, made in their image.... Ridley even said these Engineers are like Angels, and that LV 223 was Dark Angels, this means these Engineers was created to watch over mankind..... But some rebellion may have happened.

If we look at LV 223 there are many clues, why is there a Head Monument? For the Engineers to show a self worship, but why leave clues to LV 223 on Earth?

Maybe this place was to be a place of Paradise for us, maybe this place was a watch post that a selection of Engineers was tasked to watch over us from.  Maybe they was in the process of trying to Teraform the place for Mankind?

Why did the Temple have a Atmosphere? The Engineers could breath fine outside, the Xeno never needed a habitable atmosphere.  Does all this work seem to be so that Humans can survive inside those Temples?

This does not rule out that they needed this so we can be used as Hosts for the Xeno as we are no use Dead as Hosts?

Maybe this ties in with like the Annunaki tale, maybe these Engineers was created by the Elders to perform tasks that the Elders do no longer have to do, much like Weyland created David.

Maybe these Engineers got fed up of serving the Elders and Rebelled, maybe they then tried to then get Mankind to be servants to them but we did not and at this point they wanted to destroy us.

Maybe along the way these Engineers found something else to Worship.

What i am saying is what if LV 223 was a base these Engineers who are Gardeners are to watch over Mankind, but at some point maybe they rebelled against the Elders?  at some point they wanted to destroy us or replace us with something new.

So they then turned LV 223 from a Watchers Out Post to a Bio Weapons Facility.

Not sure thats whats going on, but i think that the above could have a little to do with whats going on,  as it makes less sense for Mankind to be created via Evoltion over thousands if  not millions (as opening scene did not create man right away.. unlike Spaights draft) just so we can then be used as Hosts for the Goo.

Never mind why Teraform LV 223 so its suited to mankind, and set a trap?

Unless they came and took some of us in the past to LV 223 to test the Bio Weapon on first?

ESSENTIALLY... Was the Engineers created by the Elders, thus they are like Angels are to God, and they became jealous of Gods favoured creation and they rebelled against their creators and then tried to get mankind to worship them or one of them, but then they ultimately wanted to destroy us too because we would not worship them...

Basically a fraction of Engineers/Angels/IGGI had decided they wanted to play the Gods and wipe out their creators and his latest creation....

This kind of route would explain a lot of things, such as why the Elders/Engineers never came back and that Paradise is not a thriving place, but a War Torn place with very little left of a once predominant civilisation that created the Engineers and us.

Visionary alpha

The spaihts script was very clear about the exact nature of the stone they found in the ocean. It was detailed and they had excact data. Why did they go away from this ?? Redant if you do read the two confirmed scripts of spaihts and lindeloff yoy will see that they deliberately move and cut scenes out of order to purposely make the movie confusing. So the same would apply to how they came to the pictograms being invitations. Look for a thread called "scientists destroy prometheus" started by necronom4. I just want him to see that the movie was made this way on purpose . But why and to what end ??

Perhaps like alien they simply threw things together like they did in alien that wasn't  supposed to work together . Oh well ........

The pictograms seems to be very much the same as in the relationships between the dots seem exactly the same ie angles distances as it seems they are combined in holloways presentation. The configuration should was the same for all civilisations. But over 35 000 years their configuration would have changed. So the trick the engineers tested us with was finding out what star system had that configuration 35 000 years ago . Very plausible. But thinking of it as an invitation ?? I dunno. Shaw remarks at the enf of the movie: we were wrong , we were so wrong. Meaning she no longer thinks of it as an invitation ?? 

Oduodu your posts seem to be carrying on outside the post window as such (getting cut off) so cant read them - least on my screen they are...

Well the same is for me, if you highlight and copy the text onto a notepad etc then you can read what Oduodu  had typed...

I also get isues with this site since last two updates in how it looks etc.....

@Oduodu

As far as Shaw saying we was wrong.... i think it has many meanings, for example they hopped to find some beings who was Godlike and that they would find answers to life and a benevolent race.... but all they found was a race of mortals (ok ones who can live for much longer but can be killed) who basically made us a science experiment and they are a race who are not as Shaw had hoped they would had been and instead are malevolent race.

But now she wants answers to why?  Why go for all the effort to create us and visit us just to then destroy us... why?

This is why the movie idea at the start with the opening Scene and particularly the deleted one and how Shaw and Holloway found the clues in the Ancient Cultures on Earth and the connections to worship of a giant race of Alien Godlike beings... i.e Ancient Astronaught theory.

This was the basis of the movie from the start before they found LV 223 and the Urns and Alien connections Murals etc....

Through out the movie some hints are these beings created us, but then wanted us destroyed and they set out to wipe us out 2000 years ago... yes the relevance to time of Christ’s Death may be a red hearing but in Spaights ideas and what Ridley said was that Mankind had upset the Engineers and they sent down a emissary who we then killed and that was the last straw.

If we look at all the above, then these Engineers created us for some purpose and went through a considerable amount of effort and time to produce the final result and nurtured and visited us in the past etc....

For what just to invite us to LV 223 so we can be infected, just so thousands of years latter they can visit us with the Bio Weapon to Evolve us into Xeno-Esque creatures...

Maybe but seems a bit odd....

I would like to see them explore more of the Ancient Astronaught theory, answer why we was created.... i think loosely they should explore a common connection between these Engineers and Elders and many Ancient Cultures in particular the Annunaki which is the oldest recorded account of worship of God like beings from 6000+ Years ago.