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LV226 Same Resined Wall In Alien(s)

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DenzelTH

MemberOvomorphAug-14-2013 5:02 AM
Ive found a connection,but dont know what it means. The Xenomorph to the Engineers. In Alien and Aliens the walls of like black hard mush are made by the Xenomorph's, this looks exactly like the interior of the dome on LV226. Is this what they both do, or were the Xenomorph's out and about on LV226. It could even be a different kind of goo they put on the walls, just like what eggs are for someone who's trapped . Alsohow was the Dome made?They might have worker aliens,maybe even humans. The round tunnels look as if as gigantic snake has squeezed its way through the dome, because I cant imagine Engineers building this dome. Who knows what they've got as tools and weapons.
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Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphAug-16-2013 4:02 AM
LV-426 = Alien/Aliens LV-223= Prometheus The ship explored in Alien (at the beginning) is a detelict Engineer craft. This is why the appearance is similar to the interior dome and ship in Prometheus. I don't recall anything from Alien/Aliens stating or indicating thy the walls were 'made by xenos' as you say. As far as using humans for slaves- it seems a little like me hiring my 4 year old niece to move a fridge, no?
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Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphAug-16-2013 4:21 AM
Derelict** sorry.
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DenzelTH

MemberOvomorphAug-16-2013 9:24 AM
I know the differences of the planets,and Im not talking about the interiors of the ship, more about the interior of the facilities at 426. Not so much in Alien,but there is still elements of it . But In Aliens when they are camouflaged in the black walls, im pretty sure that was made by Xeno's, I dont think Weyland would've had that sort of interior. As for the Humans, they're not us, they'v maybe lived with the Engineers since before LV226's escapade, they may have been upgraded by the goo? You ever seen a Xeno without a human nearby?
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Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphAug-16-2013 11:47 AM
Ok. Well thete weren't any facilities in the time of Alien yet, so i guess we're talking about Aliens. I'm still sure it was just The Companies design dude. The fachugger gets Newt's Dad inthe beginning, then the facilities get overrun. Newt is still a kid when we get there, so not much time has passed, certainly not enough for the Xenos to build their own walls, etc. (And i'm sorry, but do you know the differene between planets?) Also, yes! Alien 3- Xeno bursts from a dog/bull depending on the cut you watch.
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oduodu

MemberXenomorphAug-16-2013 7:13 PM
There is definitely a resemblance between the passage that shaw runs through before being blown out and the the resin walls in aliens . Remember someone noting the walls look like some kind secretion and hicks asks but secreted from what. If the xenos did not make those walls in the atmosphere processor then what did ? But was it xenos that made the passage way that shaw ran through and was blown out of ? Don't think so But there is definitely a resemblance.

brego

MemberOvomorphAug-17-2013 12:10 AM
Perhaps the Xeno's replicate their birth environment in resin in their new surroundings. The engineers have a very district architectural nuance which appears in the pyramid, egg silos and space craft. As these were the birthplace of most xeno's we have seen so far perhaps this environmental trait is carried through to their new place of habitation.

Ron Hardcastle

MemberOvomorphAug-23-2013 1:30 AM
Ron Hardcastle on Facebook RDHardcastle on Twitter MY IDEAS FOR "PROMETHEUS 2" BY RON HARDCASTLE The alien ship with Elizabeth Shaw and David will be captured much as Ripley and the cat were at the start of ÒAliens,Ó with the large white humans called ÒEngineersÓ from ÒPrometheus" doing the catching (for simplicity, I'll refer to them as Engineers). They'll have the ability to switch easily to English -- they speak telepathically in an odd and very fast language, and after pressing various buttons will suddenly be able to verbally speak and understand English. We will learn that they are rebels from the main civilization, which, paranoid that they may one day be surpassed by one of these civilizations they've spawned, are determined to wipe them out after seeding most of them, while these rebels have no such fears and in fact embrace diversity of civilizations as well as diversity among their own people. The Engineer rebels, who now have Elizabeth and David, have been assisted by the benevolent but powerful Hagons, a separate civilization that evolved entirely on its own without help from the Engineers. The rebels and the Hagons have been working together to stop any further destruction (the word "genocide" will be used freely), but have to contend with the entrenched and powerful Engineers on their huge and icy mother planet G'al, which we'll eventually discover looks very much like the water and ice [of Iceland] we see at the beginning of "Prometheus." But there the ice of the planet seems to have spilled over to their cold and impassive behavior, with an obvious lack of any signs of real humanity. Individuality is non-existent, as is emotion. Even when they kill or destroy, it is done very methodically and impassively and almost as an unconscious, knee-jerk action. In comparison, the rebels have embraced both emotion AND individuality, and while they continue to have much the same exterior look of the Engineers, they are anything BUT emotionless. They will be fascinated by the ship that Elizabeth and David have arrived in, since it happens to be an artifact of their own distant past -- none of their people have seen nor used ships like that in millennia. Some of them will be entranced by Shaw's overt emotionalism, while others will be made uncomfortable, maybe even repelled and horrified, by it -- to them, she represents the extreme of where they seem to be heading, and, despite rejecting their emotionless society, some of them still aren't quite ready to fully embrace the extreme as personified by Elizabeth. David will have spent the time in transport re-connecting himself and practicing the language of the Engineers, and while he will be protective of Shaw, he remains fairly detached and doesn't share much of her curiosity or fierce protectiveness towards Earth. The disdain she exhibited in the deleted scenes of "Prometheus" towards David will be on display, and she may even say something witheringly towards him about his part in infecting her and her partner Charlie with the alien goo. The rebels will be entirely aware of this, having been able to enter Elizabeth's mind while she slept and view what happened and precisely how it brought her to them. They'll be on her side, entranced by her emotional humanness, and while David isn't going to be entirely an enemy, he will have his own secret agenda. There will be an amusing scene where David, so proud of his thorough proficiency with the language, is deflated when THEY are able to speak flawless English, replying to him in English rather than in their own language, although some of them will affect Rapace's own accent, which David will insensitively point out to her. But before Elizabeth and David can get entirely acquainted with the rebels, they'll find themselves under savage attack by a warship of Engineers, out to capture the rebels and unaware of Elizabeth and David, which is when the Hagons will step in to, in an instant, transport them all to safety. This will be our introduction to the home of the Hagons, deep in an eerie sort of Black Hole in which most forms of navigation become impossible and anything entering can never return -- unless they have the powers of the Hagons, which is one of the things the cold Engineers seek, feeling that it will enable them to divest themselves of their greatest rivals whom they see as bent on transforming ALL of their people rather than just the rebels. To Elizabeth's horror, the Hagons make no move to destroy the warship from the Engineers' home planet that is definitely determined to destroy THEM. The Hagons only take action when it is a last resort. Once the rebels with Elizabeth and David have been transported near the world of the Hagons, we get a sense of their power, but also their vulnerability, because, unlike the Engineers, they are intrinsically pacifist and may even have to rely on some of the military might the rebels still retain. Indeed, they quickly tap those military resources shortly after they all arrive near the home world of the Hagons to damage, not destroy, the warship pursuing them. The Rebels will have both men and women, with the women seeming to wield more power than the men. Which will be in stark contrast to the Engineers, who seem to be entirely hulking and emotionless males, and we'll discover that back on G'al women have been overwhelmed by the men and treated as little more than incubators for subsequent generations of Engineers. The male Engineers we see are bereft of any sexual or romantic attachment to the females of their species, which contribute to their singleminded determination to destroy everyone and everything not of their planet. The rebels receive a signal from another rebel ship and prepare to meet up with it. But that ship has already been overtaken by the malevolent Engineers, and thus begins a fierce battle between the 2 ships. Unfortunately one of the male leaders of the rebels has a personal attachment to a female on that other ship, and it will be left to that rebel to make the final action that destroys the ship AND the woman he loves. David will observe this and perhaps finally begin to understand not only what love is, but also what a malevolent thing he did by infecting both Elizabeth and her partner Charlie. But the battles continue. I was about to suggest that Elizabeth be captured by the bad Engineers who want her because she still has vestiges of the alien she had removed in the medical procedure on the Prometheus, but if they had wanted to do that, they could have easily infected one of their own people -- look how easily they sacrificed one of their own to seed the Earth with their DNA. Because they could have done that easily WITHOUT Elizabeth, it would be a mistake to make her another Ripley incubating aliens. No no no! Because the Engineers wield so much power on their planet, the only way they can be overtaken there is with the help of a network of secret rebels in strategic areas of the planet AND with help from the powerful Hagons, and it will be the Hagons who help the rebels communicate among themselves and gain sufficient power to take control. But for some of the Engineers it will be a fight to the death, and neither side is willing to give up, so it'll be up to the powerful Hagons to step in and put a stop -- at least temporarily -- to the conflict. Of course that isn't the end of it, since there will also be "Prometheus 3"!!!

BigDave

MemberDeaconAug-23-2013 9:15 AM
Some nice work Ron..... i do think the Engineers have Emotions and the Deleted Scenes seem to show that, they are not as strong as ours though.... maybe the Engineers have learnt or have to learn to be able to suppress them more, pretty much like a Vulcan does compared to Romulan from Star Trek... But how you introduced another Race is a possibility, you see Ridley had said the opening Scene of Prometheus does not have to be Earth and it simply shows how they seed life on Worlds... And that the re-engineer and upgrade life over years by coming back to upgrade and teach them... So there is a possibility we may see other creations of the Engineers, if not then the Engineer Franchise is vast as surely indeed Mankind is not the only Intelligent life they have created.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconAug-23-2013 9:19 AM
As far as the connection with the Derelict, Jugernaught and Engineer Temple etc... and the Xenos and the kinds of surfaces they construct. There is a slight connection, maybe hinting that maybe the Engineer could have borrowed or stolen the Bio Tech from some Organism Related to the Xeno, or from some Organism that created the Xeno.. Or maybe some Organism created both.. The Saucer at the Start of the Movie does not have that Bio Mech look of the Juggernaut/Derelict and Space Jockey and Pressure Suits... Maybe some how the Engineers obtained that Bio Tech from somewhere or someone or something else.... We have to also look at Gigers unused concepts for the Derelict and they had the Derelicts as living Machines and it was the Derelict that gave birth to the Eggs via structures on the Walls that bared resemblance to Pregnant Bellies.. Maybe showing that the Xeno and Juggernauts and Engineer Bio Tech is indeed connected some how...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

brego

MemberOvomorphSep-02-2013 12:39 AM
And another connection, at least via Alien 1 and Prometheus. The Engineer's bio suit design is very similar to the Biomechanical design of Giger's original Alien's body. I was hoping there would be some lineage there.

BigDave

MemberDeaconSep-02-2013 8:53 AM
There is a connection... We never got to see a good shot of the Space Jockey suits apart from Ghost Scenes and the dead bodies they was dried up and dead. By that if we see how the Last Engineer looked in flesh compared to how we could not see how lifelike the suits looked in Holograms, it would be safe to assume the Space Jockey Suit would be just as organic looking as the pressure suit. If we take the Suit on a Engineer and take off his arms and legs past the knees and elbows and take away the head, and then take the Xeno and do the same and take away its tail and pipes on back. Then indeed the Torso areas do look alike so there must be some connection.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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