Honorable Mentions: Monsters Cut From Season 3 of DinoFights

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NoobMember0 XPAug-12-2013 9:23 PM Man,n, I just can't wait for season 3! I love the bigger dinosaurs and season 3 just happens to be full of them. Giant multi ton carnivores and a multi hundred ton herbivore are included, and when theses giants clash, you're sure to be entertained. Unfortunately, only so many dinosaurs can make the cut. So I've compiled a list of the runner up species that, while not getting a chance to win the title of "King" in the fight for the crown, deserve to be mentioned and their absence is deserving of an explanation. Sure there are tons and tons of large species that were excluded but these are the really noteworthy ones. 1. Deinocheirus [img]http://www.junglewalk.com/animal-pictures/646/Deinocheirus-10484.jpg[/img] Height: 18 feet Length: 40 feet Weight: 2-3 tons Speed: 45-70 mph Diet: Omnivore Weapons: Claws, speed, size, powerful legs for kicking Reason for exclusion: Deinocheirus is an enigmatic species to say the least. Known only from a pair of arms found in the Gobi desert the giant was for years thought to be a giant theropod until it was discovered that its arms were actually more ornithomimid in nature. The giant 40 foot long ostrich lizard thing was suited for running rather than fighting, something that really prevented it from being in season 3. Sure, it can run circles around its opponents at light speed but it really has no true attack advantage. Its beak would cause minor lacerations at best and its arms were really not that powerful. While it could kick the kicks weren't very lethal, plus it came at the cost of being remarkably light weight, perhaps under 2 tons and its skeleton was very frail. One bite to the neck, back, leg or head from any opponent and the speedy dinosaur is done for. 2. Das Monster von Minden [img]http://palaeos.com/vertebrates/theropoda/images/Allosaurus.jpg[/img] Height: 18 feet Length: 48-52 feet Weight: 9-13 tons Speed: 30-35 mph Diet: Carnivore Weapons: Bite, claws, size, speed Reason for exclusion: Das Monster von Minden is an allosaur or megalosaur known from pieces of a skull and some ribs. Scaling up from Allosaurus you get an animal 48-50 feet long and from Torvosaurus 50-52 feet long. With speed, size, strength, agility, claws and a deadly bite Das Monster's the perfect competitor, right? Well, yeah, obviously it is. But the thing is we don't know if it was a megalosaur or an allosaur. That's something that makes an outstanding difference in a fight. Megalosaurs are robust and strong with super powerful mechanically efficient bites capable of ending a fight in a second, while allosaurs are more gracile and flexible with wide gapes, slicing teeth, thinner skulls and a hatchet chop function. Their builds are already a big difference but bite changes everything beyond acceptability. I can't choose either megalosaur or allosaur because I really see evidence for both in the remains. Too much uncertainty for inclusion. 3. The unnamed megalosaurs/allosaurs [img]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QgF6kDLjwOI/T6-eXOB2-wI/AAAAAAAAAN0/ueBW8bjwh-Y/s800/Torvosaurus_allosaurus.png[/img] Height: 13-15+ feet Length: 40-45+ feet Weight: 8-9.5+ tons Speed: 30-35 mph Diet: Carnivore Weapons: Bite, claws, size, speed Reason for exclusion: There are anywhere from one to four unnamed allosaurs or megalosaurs awaiting description from Europe. They range from 40-45 feet in length and all are similar in case to Das Monster: fragmentary and uncertain grouping 4. Phobodon [img]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O_ffleAiC9M/UckYQgeaxbI/AAAAAAAAAWs/hfIITh2Z0N8/s640/blogger-image-2093466223.jpg[/img] Height: 14-16 feet Length: 43-46 feet Weight: 7-9 tons Speed: 25 mph Diet: Carnivore/piscivore Weapons: Bite, claws, size Description: The Horror Mouth, a mysterious giant spinosaur from Africa, is known from only one alleged specimen. Dug up alongside Saurophagus and Bahariasaurus in Africa the 40+ foot giant was destroyed before it could be described thanks to a surprise bombing by the U.S. on Germany. It can supposedly be seen in the background of a photograph of the Spinosaurus remains in the museum alongside the "snake eater" and Bahariasaurus among many things. Its huge 10+ inch long teeth and immense size would make it a formidable opponent for any dinosaur in season 3. So why was it excluded? Its only scientifically known remains were bombed out of existence. Apparently some super jerky people own specimens in private collections but they're being super jerky and not giving them up. Until we see a specimen really described it will unfortunately be excluded due to, yes, again, uncertainty. 5. Gigantoraptor [img]http://www.raul-martin.net/raulmartin/new/gigantoraptor.jpg[/img] Height: 15 feet Length: 30-35 feet Weight: 2 tons Speed: 45 mph Diet: Carnivore Weapons: Bite, claws, speed, size, powerful legs for kicking Reason for exclusion: The giant oviraptor looking Gigantoraptor is being excluded because it's not nearly as deadly as its name suggests. Its arsenal includes a beaky bite, some average claws, extreme speed, a karate kick and some freakish size for an oviraptor. But why was it excluded? It's a little too small and a runner not a fighter. While tall and long it wasn't really powerful or heavy. Pretty much the same reasons for exclusion as Deinocheirus. 6. Huaxiaosaurus [img]http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/304/3/c/huaxiaosaurus_is_freaking_huge_by_fragillimus335-d5jlkg1.png [/img] Height: 35+ feet Length: 67+ feet Weight: 25+ tons Speed: 20-25 mph Diet: Herbivore Weapons: Size, bite, unmatched strength, tail Reason for exclusion: Huaxiaosaurus is the largest non-sauropod dinosaur ever to live. Simply put it was far too big for any animal (disregarding Argentinosaurus) in season 3 to handle one on one. With the largest mounted skeletons being 22 meters and more unmounted specimens exceeding 25 meters this was an animal the size of a decent sauropod but it was far more mobile and heavily armed. It's just way too big for any known theropod to handle face to face or even by ambush. 7. Ceratopsipes [img]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/221/6/9/the_three_horned_king_by_fragillimus335-d5ahxyn.jpg[/img] Height: 14-18 feet Length: 40-46 feet Weight: 15-20 tons Speed: 35 mph Diet: Herbivore Weapons: Size, strength, speed, horns, bite Reason for exclusion: As with Huaxiaosaurus, Ceratopsipes is pretty much a super giant version of its relatives. Topping 40 feet and weighing over 15 tons the frilled freak was basically a giant tank with horns. Too big and powerful for any theropod to take one on one. 8. Giant crocodiles [img]http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/147/d/6/sarcosuchus_vs_deinosuchus_by_sameerprehistorica-d66qwah.jpg[/img] Height: 3.5-4 feet Length: 40-45 feet Weight: 10-12 tons Speed: 25 mph in water, 10 mph dash on land Diet: Carnivore Weapons: Size, bite, swimming ability Reason for exclusion: 40+ foot long 10+ ton crocodiles like Deinosuchus, Purussaurus, Sarcosuchus and that other land one I can't remember the name of ate all formidable adversaries for even the largest of dinosaurs when in water... But on dry land they're pretty much snails with super powerful bites. Okay, so crocodiles are a lot more mobile than snails but you get the point. Crocodiles get killed easily on land but win easily in water. Which is why I don't do crocodile-dinosaur fights. They're too hard to choose a setting for. Shallow water is the most even choice but even then it's a little biased and hard to do because of the limited mobility for both. Crocs can't swim well in shallow water and dinosaurs can't move very fast. If I could remember the name of the giant land crocodile (it wasn't a crocodile but rather a close relative, actually) it would have been included. 9. Dacentrurus [img]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/136/1/9/dacentrurus_by_sharkeytrike-d4zyggz.jpg[/img] Height: 12 feet Length: 35 feet Weight: 6-7 tons Speed: 15-20 mph Diet: Herbivore Weapons: Tail spikes, size Reason for exclusion: Dacentrurus was the largest stegosaur with some specimens over 30 feet long. It had the most tail spikes of any stegosaur and they were also the longest, topping 3 feet. So why was it excluded? Well, Stegosaurus is really the more popular animal and is included purely because it has popularity priority. I really considered replacing Stegosaurus but I decided against it at the last moment. I suppose I still could... 10. Utah Nodosaur [img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/221/d/d/giant_nodosaur_by_fragillimus335-d5ahwah.jpg[/img] Height: 10 feet Length: 35 feet Weight: 5-6 tons Speed: 15-20 mph Diet: Herbivore Weapons: Shoulder spikes, powerful tail, size Reason for exclusion: This recently discovered giant hails from Utah and has yet to be described. At over 30 feet long and 5 tons the nodosaur is both the largest ankylosaur and largest nodosaur. It has very thick armor covered in knobs and spikes from head to tail. Its low slung build would make it near impossible to tip over and kill. It really deserves to be included, so why isn't it? Same with Dacentrurus, it was replaced with it's smaller but far more popular cousin. Also like Dacentrurus it still has a chance if there is enough demand. 11. Oxalaia [img]http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/127/8/d/oxalaia_by_hyrotrioskjan-d4yv0ez.jpg[/img] Height: 14-17 feet Length: 40-46 feet Weight: 7-9 tons Speed: 25 mph Diet: Carnivore/piscivore Weapons: Claws, bite, size Reason for exclusion: Oxalaia was pretty much a smaller Spinosaurus. It had a big sail, a powerful build, long legs, long arms, sharp claws and a crocodilian skull. It, like Spinosaurus, was more adapted for land than other spinosaurs and had a more powerful bite and more muscle. With its huge arsenal you'd think it would appear, right? Well, no. It has a far larger and more popular cousin in the battle. As was almost the case with Tarbosaurus the larger cousin pretty much takes any chance of winning away. While Tarbosaurus had some advantages over Tyrannosaurus (speed, agility, wider field of vision), Oxalaia has literally none over Spinosaurus. 12. Non-dinosaur giants [img]http://evolbiol.ru/Elasmotherium.jpg[/img] Reason for exclusion: Mammoths, snakes, woolly rhinos and enormous pterosaurs all could put up a fight against giant dinosaurs but remember, this is Jurassic Park, a series built on dinosaurs. Not Quaternary Park, a series built on mammals. Sure I'd do a bonus fight with giant non-dinosaurs if requested but I try to stay canon to JP during seasons. 13. Sauropods [img]http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/02/sauropods-990x576.jpg[/img] Reason for exclusion: Only one sauropod appears in season 3 and that's Argentinosaurus. Sauropods are among the largest animals ever to live, even bigger than most whales. The largest reportedly top 200 feet and 200 tons, easily rivaling the mighty blue whale for the title of the largest animal ever to live. They're certainly the longest. Many theropods hunted them in packs so why don't they appear more often? Fights with packs are hard to do. There are way too many moving pieces included and I can't focus on them all at once. At least one sauropod deserved to appear so I made it the biggest predator-prey clash ever to happen on land: Giganotosaurus pack vs Argentinosaurus. Of course you're probably thinking "Giganotosaurus will win. They were built to hunt sauropods this size" and I agree a big pack could do it with little trouble. But can a pack of only 5 do it? So, there you have it. Explanations for 13 major exclusions. Some may appear in bonus fights but others, sadly, will not. If I left anything out let me know and I'll explain its absence.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 1:08 AMToo bad Dacentrurus didn't appear. It really takes the cake when it comes to spikes. Stegosaurus is still a worthy contender but I can't help but feel Dacentrurus is more deserving.

Rex Fan 684

NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 8:44 AMAll of those dinosaurs are interesting, but so many are known from very poor remains and it's hard to say just how big they were, what their weapons were, etc. The current line-up is still great though.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 8:57 AMSad to see Phobodon go, but that's understandable. If only those jerky people would give up the specimens!! I'm excited for season 3!

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NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 9:02 AMI'm also very sad about Phobodon, but I guess it makes sense to take him out. He would make one heck of a predator if only more specimens could be dug up. But what about Dacentrurus?? Are you still considering his entry? I respect Stegosaurus, but I'd take Daventrurus over Stego in a fight anyday. Please reconsider, DinoFights.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 9:12 AMEven though it's not my favorite dinosaur, I'll see if I can add Dacentrurus to my site. Get it's name out there so the public can know more about it.

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LegendMember6270 XPAug-13-2013 11:07 AMI like the current line up for season three, but it would have been interesting to see Das Monster Von Minden though. Just checked out the Dacentrurus entry on Rex Fan's site, it's good.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 11:27 AMThanks. Honestly, I'm very unsure of Das Monser Von Miden's size. I saw reports stating that it was over 40 feet long, and others saying it was only 26 feet long. Guess I'll just go somewhere in the middle, 33 feet or so.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 9:08 PMThere was more than one specimen found. One was a skull from a juvenile and the others belonged to an animal 48 or more feet long judging by a rib and some other fragments: they were very close together.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-13-2013 9:16 PMHere's a "report" about Das Monster von Minden... "Das Monster von Minden" is an informal name for a theropod dinosaur from the Late Jurassic, brought to international notice in 1999. It was found in Westphalia, Germany, near Minden. It is known from an assortment of bones including parts of the skull (premaxilla, maxilla, and possible lacrimal and postorbital bones), the anterior part of a dentary, teeth, fused gastralia, two tail vertebrae, one complete rib and four rib fragments, an ilium, fibulae, and other elements. Initial reports of a rib 50% larger than in Allosaurus, which is said to resemble, stirred speculations of it being up to 15 metres (49 ft) in length. The remains are currently undescribed, but according to Michael Mortimer, the maxilla, the main tooth-bearing bone of the upper jaw, measures at 51.7 centimetres (20.4 in) long, suggesting a skull length of around 1 metre (3 ft), along with the 75.0 centimetres (29.5 in) fibula, this suggest and individual in the region of 7 to 8 metres (23 to 26 ft) in length and 0.75 to 1.2 metric tons (0.83 to 1.3 short tons) in weight.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 8:40 AMLooks like Dacentrurus replaces Stegosaurus. So now we have Allosaurus maximus taking on Dacentrurus in season 3!

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 8:48 AMCool. I think the reason Ceratopsipes was excluded should be because the only evidence of it are it's footprints. It is very hard to say how big the track maker was, what it looked like, etc. just based on the tracks.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 9:00 AMTrue. But not many things other than a ceratopsian can make a footprint like a ceratopsian. Judging from relatives it would have been between 38 and 48 feet long, really depending on how much of the footprint had caved in and what you scale it from.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 9:06 AMYeah, it may be distorted or something. The overall appearance of the animal is also really hard to judge. Ceratopsians have so many frill and horn arrangements. It could have 3 horns like Triceratops or none like Pachyrhinosaurus.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 9:13 AMTrue. But Pachyrhinosaurus actually probably did have horns. If you look at the bosses on its skull the very closely resemble rhino bosses. It could have had keratin horns.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 9:33 AMPerhaps, but no other ceratopsian had keratin horns. They all had horns with a bone core. Pachyrhinosaurus was not a primitive ceratopsian, so it'd be strange for it to have a totally different kind of horn than other advanced ceratopsians.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 9:37 AMI've always wondered about that. It's possible and the skull suggests it but none of its relatives did have fully keratin horns.

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NoobMember0 XPAug-14-2013 10:28 AMYeah, just a keratin sheath, like raptor claws. It's always possible, but not definitive.