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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerAug-08-2013 6:47 AM
I would do things differently but based on all the bread crumbs and things I have seen so far about all this this is what I think will happen – roughly of course as no one really knows not even Ridley I reckon after all he did say this in one of the art books about Prometheus! In the second part we will see: 1. Yutani corporation come into it – they will probably be a rescue party ehem I mean they were spying on weyland and wanted some of the action! They will meet the deacon and we will learn more about lv433 as well. 2. We will see part or hints of a god like being – Ridley has said this himself though I think this being will be held back for the last part most likely. 3. They will visit 'Paradise' obviously – I think more than likely it will be totally or almost totally destroyed – something terrible has happened to the entire engineer race and maybe only the elders are still there – possibly battling each other or the god like being. That would be my favourite: they found this god like being and the black goo is from it – maybe its blood or from one part of it. They thought they had found something special that they could use but all along the god like being was playing with them and now it was destroying their empire from the inside out. A god sized battle that has been going on for thousands of years -epic stuff. 4. I still reckon there is something about the mural of the alien on lv433 being a prediction not a mural of something that happened – maybe this was the reasoning for taking the liquid to earth – they foresaw the coming of the alien/xeno – an almost perfect being – that is what they wanted to create – the what is 101112 site pointed to this with its 'overman' information etc. . 5. Another tangent is that the engineers are us – from the future – I don’t think it will take this route but it is very interesting. Say we as a race advance so much in the future that we somehow manage to go back in time and then discover we made ourselves! Thus messing with the whole creation idea. Could be an interesting plot if done correctly. 6. None of the above – one thing that I got the feeling about was Ridley was making this up as he went along which scares me as I thought he would of worked it all out to the end point of part 3 and got a writer to be there for it all. I seriously hope he has or that by some amazing stroke of luck it all fits into place. But because of this I and the internet with sites like this showing all the predictions I think he may try to take it in a weird direction away from this all but we shall see... Anyway thats just off the top of my head -what ever it will be it needs better characters and writing and Ridley needs to stick to directing – go back to the old days! (sorry rid).

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerAug-08-2013 6:57 AM
Ah yer forgot this one too: Why do the engineers not advance/change very much over millions / billions of years? A very strong religious faith and ruling elders who live for a long time and don't like to see things change :P – we see how religions and dictators halt change and advancement in our society and so it has done the same to them but on a bigger scale.

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphAug-08-2013 12:13 PM
^ dude, all they do IS change! Robes to armour, ship differences, religious into more scientific/military nature. Seems like every aspect of them has changed or there were always 2 (at least) factions.
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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerAug-08-2013 2:13 PM
Hmm I don't think you're thinking on the right level. Think about how much humans have changed in say 10 million years apes to us. Then add on the fact that these guys have highly advanced technology and intelligence. If there was nothing holding them back they would change immensely in only a few hundred years especially if they can redesign themselves in only one generation! So scale that up and they could easily go from an engineer to a floating ball of light or some other crazy form in only a matter of thousands of years and there is hints they have been around for millions if not billions so the changes would be astronomical without massive control on not changing to much. The time between the sacrificial engineer and the space suited ones could of been hardly anything really or yes 2 factions or just different clothes for different occasions. But I did hear ridley saying 100 million years between the disc craft and the juggernaut which just made me think 100 million years to do that little are you sure?! Hmmmm

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Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphAug-08-2013 3:22 PM
Well since Cro Magnon man 100,000 years ago, we really haven't PHYSICALLY changed much at all. Advancements we have made are incredible, yes, but evolutionarily it has been quite miniscule. But i hear what you're saying, and it's an interesting parallel with what young Weyland says during the Ted Talk. (What are we 'allowed' to do with this power/ being held back by religion and/or morality) So maybe you're right after all! (Engineer lifetimes are probably much longer as well, this may account for a slower evolution) We also aren't sure if they can reproduce in a classic sense, so it may be they 'clone' themselves over and over and this is why we see little to no change. Cool post!
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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerAug-08-2013 3:54 PM
Yes they do seem to be clone like but if you think what we can do with genetic manipulation already then scale that up to what we could do in the future it would be so dramatic without anything holding it back. Also evolution essentially speeds up if you see how long the first life forms took to change -billions of years. Now the change seems slow but its getting faster with us and the corner stone has been crossed I hear about designer babies being talked about already. :) And yes that was the other theory I liked the spawning of life letting it diversify then using black goo to 'collect' the best traits and add to there own design building a super being is another likely avenue.

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Anunnaki50

MemberOvomorphAug-10-2013 4:34 AM
I have doubts about them being clones for two reasons, one they dont all look the same and two clones genetic material breaks down after each generation and they live for thousands if not millions of years. Yes you could use that argument that they're clones but it really dosent make sense to me aat all. The Engineers are us but not in their looks and feelings. Its their genetic tinkering and passion for war with one another that is more like us humans. They do not look like us, WE look like them. Mankind is taking after his "parents" so to speak just like the Sumerian stories regarding our relationship with the Anunnaki/Nefilim.

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

Anunnaki50

MemberOvomorphAug-10-2013 4:37 AM
Intelligent life can come about using two methods, 1. seeding life 2. natural evolution.

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerAug-10-2013 9:38 AM
Yer the clone thing isn't clear - they could have more than one type of clone of course or some other way of spawning but similar to cloning maybe even using the black goo...and dont forget the 3rd type of intelligent life: AI is david intelligent life? Maybe not quiet but I bet he has parts that are organic in nature but then imagine david 1000 generations forward or probably less - it might not be so easy to tell if he were life or not even on a microscopic scale. I thought we would see more of the kind of biological technology being used by the engineers - I know we saw a bit of it but I bet the lines between life and technology are totally burred for them.

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

BigDave

MemberDeaconAug-12-2013 9:06 AM
As far as possibilities with the franchise well there have been many discussions and its really open story that could span in any direction. As far as other points from this thread.... 1) The seeding, and Goo, there has to be a connection, and maybe indeed this Goo came from some being or somewhere and that the Engineers need this substance in order to create life because they can not do it the natural way i.e reproduce. Maybe they evolved themselves to far for perfection and near imortality that it meant they did not need to reproduce to procreate their race as their race would live for a very long time. They then found or stole or created something from some thing they found to allow them to create life with the Goo. 2) However.... Ridley also said that the Engineers seed their genetic material in that way, not only on Earth but this is just how they do it, which implies that they either have done this and do it on many Worlds and/or that they can create life in other ways but they just go the Sacrificial route for some purpose i.e cultural and religious. As it would be safe to assume that a Advanced Race could just take some of their DNA and a Petra dish and clone themselves. Maybe its both..... that they can create life in other way but they cant sexually reproduce and that they can create life from their DNA but it leads to creation of well more Engineers who end up to some degree being clones of sorts that have some problems. And the only other way is to mix their DNA material with natural basic other lifeforms to produce organisms that are not 100% Engineer. But the only way to go about this in mass, or indeed a way to create a substance that contains their DNA that does not just reform to produce Engineers is only done via the Goo.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconAug-12-2013 9:15 AM
Oh forgot to say in carrying on with the Engineers and how they have not changed or Evolved... In Evolution once a Organism has evolved to near perfect form then it does not Evolve anymore, or it does at a slow rate.... When a Organism has evolved to its habitat in such a way that it is near perfection then evolution halts or does not happen fast, unless the Organisms Habitat is changed. Examples of Perfect Organisms for their Habitat etc are Insects etc. Ants for Example have not really Evolved for over 100 Million Years, Cockroaches likewise and both Organisms Ancestors from 300 Million years ago are not that much different to what they are now they have not evolved to a extreme level in as such short time as Mammals have. So it would be safe to assume that once Mankind has Evolved to a higher level and our technology has evolved so we do not need to sexually reproduce, and that we do not need to use food to give us energy well as far as eating normally which could cause us to not need to well have the Bowel to dispose of waste.... And once our brains have evolved to a higher level and we have also created and engineered cures against diseases and cancers etc and mutations. Once with help of natural Evolution and Technological help... i.e Genetic Modifications.. Then once we reach that level maybe we would be not much different to the Engineers and thus our Evolutionary changes would slow down and we would not change much more over next millions or years...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerAug-12-2013 1:54 PM
Ah yes I did think about that too but its a completely different situation once your as intelligent as us you then have a completely different avenue for evolution (its no longer about necessity). And the engineers are far from perfectly adapted! I mean look how easily the black goo creatures owned them all! This points strongly towards there evolution being held back. There more like basic drones instead of what they could be achieving. Imagine what they could b doing - skin that that hardens to steel camouflage flight more limbs shape changing etc. etc. Some of which is already evolved on earth! Maybe the elders or one leader will have all the evolution in them hopefully. Again this makes me think these engineers are just workers serving something that's properly evolved which is were the black goo might be from. I just hope its all well thought out this time. Ps not sure if people will have want to give up sex n food - kind of two of the best things about being us! :)

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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerAug-23-2013 2:26 PM
Ah almost forgot about one of the more obvious directions that of promethues itself. I guess if u applied it to this film u might think the jesus engineer was the promethues character he and possibly others helping humans and ultimately paying the price. I guess this would work with the 2 faction idea or at least 2 opposing ideas coming from whatever. Just had a funny thought - there was so much opportunity for david to do some comedy that could be been genius like when he was watching films and copying the hairstyles etc. why not go further and have him do a bit of dancing and miming to something like viva la vida while he was on his own on the ship then suddenly going dead pan and doing some serious calculations etc.... if you know what I mean - could of been some funny moments put in. There could be some great eccentricities added for david in the 2nd one I hope they do that...

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

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