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“Familiarity breeds contempt”

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Gimm-e

MemberOvomorphApr-02-2013 10:42 PM
Alien just looks fantastic on Blu-ray and this is what Dan O’Bannon said on the Alien Anthology: “If it’s new and you haven’t seen it before, it has impact. Once something becomes familiar, no matter how well it’s done, if it’s familiar…Well, you know the old saying, familiarity breeds contempt.” This is probably why Prometheus doesn’t work for me, apart from the fact that it’s too bright ( because they shot it in 3d, I know), too clean and not gritty enough ( just a matter of taste, I might add) and definitely NOT scary, and it was supposed to scare the living shit out of us, right? O’Bannon took the words out of my mouth, bear with me: It’s been almost a year now since Prometheus’ release and let me tell you, when the lights faded in the theatre and the audience became quiet, I had this massive grin on my face from ear to ear…not even Joker could smile like that. I was like: OMG… it’s finally happening, the wait is over! YES!! Let’s see what all the fuss is about and what the big secret is… It begins fantastic: jaw-dropping scenery combined with some pretty amazing “epic score” although I didn’t pay much attention to it, because I was overwhelmed by the image quality and the effects of the 3d. One word: right!! The questions that raced through my mind: Are we finally going to see their civilization ? How do they live, eat, procreate? How do they make war and what was that cargo was about? Is there a third species they’re in war with? Are we going to see a really cool Alien-SJ breed in the last 15 minutes? Is that humanoid head going to come alive and begin to trash the place? How will the crew react when Shaw walks in and drops to her knees covered in blood? Why is Vickers so scared in that one scene and why is she doing push-up half-naked looking like she’s possessed? Why did they show us the derelict falling from the sky? That’s a major spoiler… There must be 30 minutes or so after it falls that we haven’t seen yet, right? ( I was so wrong, I just knew we weren’t getting anything when I saw that scene in theatres.) And above all: how will this tie in with Ripley’s adventures? Am I going to look at Alien(s) and go: “OH, now I get it” or ”I never looked at it that way” or to the extreme “JESUS, what a mind-blowing revelation, WAUW, genius…” Then suddenly, like a bolt from the blue ( I still remember going like: WUT?? You’ve got to be kidding me!!) this character walks in like straight from a lord of the rings movie, dressed in an “elfish cloak” and he looks at the audience with those big black eyes… like doll’s eyes… lifeless eyes…ahum …and then it hit me like a freight train: THAT IS OUR SPACE JOCKEY ? I must be seeing things…I really, really thought, believed, wished the big blue bald guy from the trailers was some android from the Prometheus whose job was taking care of some of the more difficult, heavier chores the crew couldn’t, like a self-operating power-loader…or maybe he was an infected human… anything but our beloved SJ. So, I took off my 3d-googles to check for ANY deviation of the glasses, scratches, ANYTHING to convince myself that it was just me and the audience was seeing another version. I actually raised my hands towards the screen like a little child who wanted an explanation: “Why did they have to make him look like a humanoid?” Why, why why… In Alien it worked somehow and it worked great actually. But in Prometheus…. the universe is so vast and immense, what are the odds that they even have the slightest resemblance with us humans? That is just so unoriginal and too familiar to be scary…not to mention they look exactly like doctor Manhattan…I never got that idea out of my mind during the entire movie. They could have made an alien species for this movie that was so vicious, relentless, brutal, intelligent, sadistic, indifferent, and more than anything else :ELEPHANTINE-like, that it would make the “xenomorph” look like some pet you’d like to…pet. That you would almost beg to be quickly disposed by the secondary jaw of the xeno, rather than this horrifying , somewhat humanoid, but still undoubtedly elephantine BEAST who is 5 times our size. THAT would have been the movie I would have loved to pay for again and again to watch it in theatres. The fact that they decided to make them looking like us killed the movie-experience instantly for me. I just can’t appreciate this new direction, even though I really want to. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve finally come to accept Prometheus for what it is: an average movie that looks great and has a hell of a lot of potential. It will go down in my book as one of the most anticipated and most disputed movies of all time, that can make someone bitter and twisted because it failed to deliver, or make someone else wonder in what order they should watch the other Alien films, because they never bothered to. But, Prometheus imho was made for the masses and the average Joe who knows very little about this universe, and not for the hardcore fans, the niche who watches alien(s) over and over again to soak in the next missed detail (the sets in alien are in a class of their own, absolutely gorgeous), because those movies (and especially the first one) are just brilliant and almost flawless, and to put it simply: works of art. Prometheus will always be (to me) that missed opportunity to properly resurrect the franchise. I seriously hope Paradise will be that movie that we can all be proud of instead of this love-hate situation that is Prometheus. I really do. But they will have to pull out all the stops to get me THIS hyped again for paradise, and I doubt if they can achieve that, now that we know there wasn’t an outlined plot at all and that the SJ’s are smurfs on steroids… Anyway, I’m having a ball with Aliens: colonial marines. Glitching and teleporting your way across the map as a xeno with a hollow carapace towards unsuspecting marines and flurrying them to death is extremely satisfying haha. Well, I had to get it off my chest…or out….GAAAAH *chestburst* Is there anyone else who felt like this during their first viewing? It would be nice to know that I’m not alone on this one
You don\\\'t see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage!
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cuponator3000

MemberChestbursterApr-03-2013 7:29 PM
That would have been been ackward sex scene to watch with my sister right there...hot damn haha! @fleshvessel: I love your comment about them just disregarding the jockey as a fossil that they had no business to think twice about then it ends up to be what basically created them. The irony is killing me there and that right there, in a matter of seconds, has made me respect the Alien from the original movie even more! which is hard to do considering how highly I already thought of it. Thank you

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King

MemberOvomorphApr-02-2013 11:14 PM
pretty much sums up how i feel :P

[img width=351 height=150]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ML_kFkjpdzE/SK6uPUT8iKI/AAAAAAAAGm4/tzk1lye2eZE/s400/vlcsnap-94269.jpg[/img] "Frostmourne Hungers"

cuponator3000

MemberChestbursterApr-02-2013 11:51 PM
I sat down and left thinking it was a solid movie. I never made a complete review, which I might spend some time on sometime in the near future. I kind of agree, but at the same time realize how far they wanted it to be from lien. Even though they wanted it to be a little close, with threads od DNA or whatever, but they kind of screwed up. You are pretyy much, completely right when you said it was made for people who didn't know much about the Alien series or even the first movie alone. In all I thought of this movie in a bit more optimistic, for a lack of better words, sense than you, but I do understand your complaints.

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Xenotron

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 12:25 AM
I agree up until the part with Prometheus being made for the masses, that Aliens: Colonial Marines is fun, or that Paradise will be any good. The movie was the biggest disappointment of 2012 for me.

Custodian

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 3:36 AM
have I really found 'soulmates' on this forum? How excellent. In my excitement to read OP's comment I had it in my head that it was actually THE WORDS OF DAN O'BANNON that he/she was quoting, but I couldn't see any relevant 'quotage' marks just 'took the words right out of my mouth' on re-reading. One big omission from the Alien film (apart from the PYRAMID) imho was the (deleted) scene where Dallas is transformed/ing into an EGG. That, and the (gigantic, i.e. 3-5m) Space Trucker, as I call him, with his Egg cargo that (clearly) used to be 'people' at some point i.e. no need for James Cameron's 'camp' Queen, and all the shit 'canon' that came after it. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2cEEY5cmq30/TbewX-Hz1YI/AAAAAAAAABM/1pMJ2wWzrrc/s260/sheep%2Bin%2Bwolf%2Bclothing.png[/img] Space Trucker plus Eggs - how hard did they have to make it for themselves to produce an ORIGINAL UNIVERSE that ended where that 'do not land' beacon begins? I even had a [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/12390]young Peter Weyland as Hanna[/url] narrative just to leave the Alien Franchise (as it became) intact. But no, Chariots of the Gods-drivers had to be 'our mummy and daddy'. :) [b]L[/b]ots[b]O[/b]f[b]L[/b]ove.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...

Major Noob

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 6:09 AM
This is going to be a fun thread, I think.

HAL 9000

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 7:19 AM
Run...RUUUN!

Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 7:50 AM
For me it's not familiarity, but pissing on that with which I am familiar, that breeds contempt. (Ie, Aliens, Alien 3 and the other one I refuse to name) Prometheus made for the masses?!? That's insane. I cannot tell you how little the majority thinks about stuff like this. (Who made us, why are we here, what is our place I'm this universe?) The majority (being religious) thinks they know already, and I'm sure many we're offended by the notion humans were made by aliens. Yes the universe is huge (infinite most likely) but I always believed if there were Aliens they probably WOULD look a lot like us. Once the conditions for life are present, I imagine things would develop a lot like they did here on Earth. (Or could develop that way at least, it's not unreasonable) But to each his own, of course. I personally think making the Jockeys humanoid was genius and beautiful!! It is so much more relatable, and it's cool to think Dallas and the gang dismissed the big guy as a fossil when there was a humanoid in there!! (And they were looking at their creator but never knew it!!) Since you asked, during my first viewing it was like a drug, Fassbender was amazing, the look and feel was amazing. (PS it was cleaner because they were on a TriLlion dollar expedition with the richest man in the world, and the Nostromo was a mining ship) I have since watched this movie 38 times and Alien a dozen times. I have seen the others a lot, but am trying to forget they exist. Prometheus flows quite nicely into Alien actually and if I'm honest, I only started loving Alien this much since Prometheus came out. It's all about the subtle stuff and the mystery of this movie for me. Ps, why do you guys post 1,000 times on a forum for a movie you can't stand? Just curious, not being a smart-ass. (For once)
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Gimm-e

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 9:36 AM
@King: ok, so I’m not alone. Cheers! @cuponator 3000: thank you for your comment. I appreciate your opinion very much. @xenotron: hi bud! I was also very, very disappointed…I ranted for weeks on end. But it’s kinda growing on me because of this love-hate situation, not because it’s a great movie. @Custodian: yes, you have! Reading your threads and “feeling” your frustration about this movie is hilarious from time to time lol. @Major noob: Thanks? @hal 9000: okay… @fleshvessel: It’s not that I can’t stand this movie. I can perfectly understand that people like me are working on your nerves. But I care a lot about this franchise and I expected something completely different with this film, and I’m not afraid to say that it could have been a LOT better. And it was made for the masses: pg-13. It’s alien light or zero if you will. Please, compare the chestbursting scene with shaw’s c-section. Cuddles should have just bursted out of her womb, dousing the sets in blood, instead of this perfectly executed abortion. THAT would have been a scene worthy of the franchise imo.
You don\\\'t see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage!

Major Noob

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 11:32 AM
I don't know, man, a beautiful woman being operated on by a robot was a pretty cool idea. If you approach the film from the context of having no idea what was coming, having not figured out the whole thing weeks in advance, you still would have seen the chest burst coming, having seen it again and again and again. The methodical, merciless robot surgery was horrific. I read somewhere recently that RS said something like " if you want to see the Alien, it's at Disneyland" which I think sums up his actions pretty well. Also, with a mega budget you can expect something made for the masses, who will turn a profit. I think we need to look more for imagination and stellar production values than shock and Xenos, two elements long divorced anyway. For a mega movie, Prometheus was pretty nasty.

Custodian

MemberOvomorphApr-03-2013 2:34 PM
Gimme, you must have read my (PG-13 ironically) [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/10624]homo-ification of Gigerworld[/url] thread? But it's not even really 'that' issue, it's THIS: [img]http://www.flixist.com/ul/213357-the-chestburster-from-prometheus-that-could-have-been/Prometheus-Chest-Burst-noscale.jpg[/img] and then a 'machine caesarian section' would have 'made sense' -- and they should have played it to 'scare the shit out of me' really go for it, let Holloway be banging Shaw (you know, like the drunk thug he is, and her enjoying it still, fighting back, causing him pain) and then AS HE'S EJACULATING IN HER have all this gruesome oily slipperiness pouring out of his punctured body as he shudders out his tainted seed INTO HER WOMB. Play the whole scene, with Shaw hanging on like this is the best orgasm she's ever had. Gripping him with all four limbs. Really holding on, hugging the life from him, then a tentacle wraps around her thigh and she screams and Holloway screams with the last ebb of his breath and sits up, and then his torso just UNZIPS from throat to groin and it pours all over her. Flopping like mad and inflating as it tries to keep hold of her with its opening suckers... THAT scene alone would have been f***ing worth my ten dollars at the cinema (well, someone else's ten dollars as I was paid to review it). I mean, though I did 'admire' Prom's arm-break head-cut-regrow scene quite a lot - here Kitty Kitty. Whoomph. Get it off! Too late, buddy. Too. Late.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...

Custodian

MemberOvomorphApr-04-2013 1:24 AM
Cupo, obviously, in my mind any Giger-influenced horror product is an INSTANT adult rating. What's the highest rating R, is that? The rating they'd use for the most potent chile. Anyone who claims that 'Prometheus wasn't made for the mass market i.e. a Summer Blockbuster," is just kidding themselves, and their family members.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...

Membrane

MemberFacehuggerApr-04-2013 8:33 AM
I really enjoyed 'Prometheus', although it wasn't exactly what I thought it was going to be prior to watching it. I think it would be nice to see some more Giger-influenced creatures, artwork, etc. in 'Paradise' as well. I've said it before in other posts... a world that, on the surface, appears to be "paradise" as we envision it, but underneath it is a hell that we've never experienced before and Giger would certainly help create that world. Custodian, every time I see that image you posted of Holloway and the chestburster idea from Spaihts script, it reminds me of Front Line Assembly's album artwork from 'Implode'... [img]http://www.bandswallpapers.com/data/media/6/fla_implode_1024.jpg[/img]

cuponator3000

MemberChestbursterApr-04-2013 9:18 AM
you post made me think that even if the engineers were still human like, a Giger influenced design would have made them really scary. Although it would obviously have to be pretty damn bad for this, imagine hearing the Prometheus sequel was rated Nc-17? haha I would do all I could to get into that no matter what age I am haha. Although there wouldn't be much money made in the theatre which sucks for them, but would be crazy for us

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Membrane

MemberFacehuggerApr-04-2013 9:53 AM
cuponator3000 - I am thinking more about the landscapes of the place they are from having more Giger-influence... "paradise" looks like the Garden of Eden on the surface. Or maybe it's just a mirage from far away. Either way, if influenced by Giger, I was thinking is more like this, where each picture shows the progression from the surface to the heart of the planet and where the Engineers live... [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/d5bb78849bbec9e34e77f2b20e49b0d0/tumblr_mharrfp6Ay1rptujyo1_500.jpg[/img] [img]http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1890/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1890-107447.jpg[/img] [img]http://blogs.estadao.com.br/olhar-sobre-o-mundo/files/2010/01/AB001.jpg[/img] [img]http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/2293/wm/pd2718345.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/3/20288.jpg[/img] [img]http://lcart3.narod.ru/image/fantasy/giger/bl/hr_giger_biomechanicallandscape_scythe.jpg[/img] [img]http://vitsfera.by/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hr_giger_biomechanicallandscape_sack.jpg[/img]

Custodian

MemberOvomorphApr-04-2013 10:00 AM
[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xM44dnGdL.jpg[/img] FRONT LINE ASSEMBLY always have interesting cover art. If I were to be pushed on the PARADISE front, I think I'd like something that 'on the surface' was maybe the place where Adam & Eve could have soiled themselves by eating of the fruit of the tree. It'd be a beautiful place with all sorts of wondrous creatures and plants from all combinations of lifeform across the universe. [img]http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/7866243/P15250991.jpg[/img] But it'd be a Giger-fruit tree, dripping scarabs or fruit like pods that ate into them! With maybe a black egg at its root that Shaw/David have to 'somehow' dig up and transport back to Earth. If one were allowed to 'dream'.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...

Membrane

MemberFacehuggerApr-04-2013 10:08 AM
@custodian, I think you and I are on the same page there... Garden of Eden on the surface and Hell at the heart of the planet...

Custodian

MemberOvomorphApr-04-2013 10:11 AM
Memb, sounds 'about right', don't it?
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
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