Spartan300
MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:25 PMMost of your questions are based on your perceived assumptions.
GigerFace 3.0
MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:49 PMOkay here it goes, the fine tooth picking apart of a film that more than did it's job. Answers -
1. Trip was funded for Weyland 98% reasons, for Shaw maybe 1%.
2. The installation in the original Derelict wasn't protected either, it doesn't have to be when an urn or egg contains the things they do.
3. Weyland corp. subcontracted out to save cost.
4. Either she carries a ex wife's maiden name or she was a robot after all, regardless, a mega trillionaire could keep lots of things off the books when it comes to his personal info.
5. I'm sure they did off screen just like Dallas probably had a brief convo with Ash when Ash was assigned to Dallas's ship. As Dallas and Ash didn't really know each other, prior to the mining operation but most likely they developed some sort of working relationship off camera during the mining operation.
6. Things happen within the story that prevent them from reporting back, like for example infections, discovering the Engineer head, finding out that Engineers and humans share the same DNA, yeah lots going on lol.
7. David wasn't sure he grabbed the smallest urn closest to him, froze it and bagged it up in a hurry.
8. Holloway gave David a hard time on the bridge and sort of challenged David's superior intellect so David pegged Holloway as the most likely ginny pig.
9. She had no speculation, the Engineers were planning to travel to earth and put the smack down, but the Derelict crashed on LV246 and on LV223 all hell broke loose putting a 2000 year hold on the Engineers plans and probably the Engineers on their home planet quickly found out and not only sent out a stay away beacon on LV246 but also abandoned LV223. The reason no warning beacon was put out on LV223 is because everything their remained behind locked doors and wasn't as exposed as the derelict on LV246, and the Engineers were arrogant enough to figure that no one would figure out how to open the doors on LV223. Also Shaw asked the Engineer tons of questions right when he was woke up which was after she carbon dated the dead Engineer.
9. Weyland didn't know that the Engineers were coming to destroy earth as they put that in plan 2000 years before Weyland would make it to LV223. And David didn't know what they had planned he was only able to make generalized translations but wasn't super fluent in Engineer culture.
10. Again, the Engineers were using 2000 year old ships and probably felt arrogant enough not to need weapons as 2000 years ago we humans were using swords to fight with and horse drawn carts.
11. The original xenomorph grew pretty fast too.
12. She wasn't in her module as she'd started spending most all of her time on the bridge as the situation became more heighten with each thing that was happening.
13. Fifield killed at least 6 crew members and that equals out to the total 17. Shaw, Holloway, Vickers, Janek, Ford, Fifield, Milburn, David, Jackson, Ravel, Chance, and 6 more crew equals the guys that mutated Filfied killed.
14. Shaw wants it back because by this point she's still alive and has to believe in something, she has to have something from earth to hold onto as everything else has been lost. And David took her cross out of the med-lab when he left her.
Hope that gives you some of the answers you're looking for :)
Generalmojo
MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 1:18 AMMy question is, after they re-enter the temple and Holloway is determined to be too sick to continue and must go back, they find the guy who got "mouth raped", the lady doctor (not shaw) discovers the thing in his esophagus, it flies out and and appears to injure her, the scene is frantic, all that happening at once, but there are a few characters that just dissapear from the movie and it doesn't even show what happens to them at all. (the other female dr, a guy, and another guy i think) plus, what happend to the guy who got "mouth raped" ? it just went in and killed him? it was kind of unclear, or was he supposed to give birth to something else? what was the point of the cobra-snake? was it something that infected others? or was it just a gross killer? What I really can't get over is how they leave out some of the characters after holloway gets taken back. or am i wrong?
DoorKicker
MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 3:20 AMAdding a couple questions of my own:
1. What was the intended delivery system for the "black goop" weaponized bio-agent?
2. What was the hourly organic ping found by one of the "pup" recon probes? (Doubtful that the hibernating Engineer revived hourly for no reason at all)
3. What was the yellow-green goo David found on the exterior Engineer control panel, the one that activated the hologram recording that ultimately leads the team to the tomb and the beheaded Engineer corpse?
4. What was the result of the Engineer "martyr" at the beginning of the movie?
5. What connection is there between the Engineer "martyr", the "black goop", the "reptilian tentacles", and the "earthworms" underfoot when the Prometheus team first enters the tomb with the beheaded Engineer outside?
Here's the observed results of exposure from the movie:
1. Engineer + Black Goop = disintegration + DNA recombination = ?
2. Engineer + Tentacle Parasite = alien drone incubated
1. Human + Black Goop (minimal oral ingestion) = slow infection, retains higher mental functions
2. Human + Black Goop (full facial immersion) = faster infection, homicidal rage (still manages to make his way back to the ship though ??)
3. Human + Black Goop (infected intercourse) = no infection, alien facehugger incubated (??)
4. Human + Tentacle Parasite = ??
GigerFace 3.0
MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 9:26 PM@ Doorkicker, answers...
1. The urns/ampules were most likely deposited on a planet either but simply releasing them by air dropped bombing raids, or the Juggernaut could land in an undisclosed area and the pilot Engineers could carry the urns off and set them on the ground. Eventually someone would find them and then the infection begins.
2. The pup probe hovered outside of the chamber that lead to the cargo hold which had the urns with the organic goop. But did lead into the bridge chamber that held the Engineer in suspended animation. His life signs were no doubt slowed and the pup was picking up mixed readings from that.
3. The residue green slime was probably from one of the Engineers. We have to take into consideration that the Engineers have life spans of possibly thousands if not tens of thousands of years. They came from a culture that was using interstellar travel prior to any complex life even being on earth, if we are to accept the beginning sequence of the film.
4. This was basically answered above, but to expand, the beginning sequence was of the earth and an Engineer who sacrificed his life to bring out the development of complex celled organisms on earth by his body providing the DNA building blocks.
5. The sacrifice Engineer drank a concoction that was greenish, brownish in color and which broke him apart on a molecular level. The black goop interacts with any biological system and mutates it on the cellular level. The reptilian tentacles you are referring to are from the squid body hugger correct? If so then the squid embryo grew right inside of Holloway and no doubt mixed with his own semen and mutated into the squid body hugger, which btw didn't require an ovary to develop. The earthworms were space maggots if you will that were mutated by the black goop into the ghoulish "cobraaliens".
Sesquatch
MemberOvomorphJun-11-2012 8:07 AMThere are far bigger inconsistencies in the movie, sorry guys:
1. Why David would infect a person with a goo at all? In Alien I it was clear - he was programmed to take home secretely a biological weapon. But in this movie? The corporation did not even know beforehand, that something could be used for biological weapons (that was the reason in Alien I).
2. why would the founder of Wayne Corp. hide in his own ship? He is the owner, he paid for the trip, why does he have to hide?
3. even more problematic: the DNA of humans matches 100% with the DNA of the Engineers. If so, how can they be different? But OK, let us say, the two DNAs are just 99% the same.
If they are the same, this would require, that Engineers did not create life on Earth, only humans (otherwise, due the evolution, the human DNA would not be an exact match to the Engineer DNA). But if this is the case, how come animal DNA is so similar to ours?
Or they created the DNA of each and every living species on earth? That seems totally illogical too .
4. the one Engineer appears in the cabin without any space suit... Remember, his DNA is the same as humans' DNA (lol), so he should not be able to breathe outside of the cabin...
Sesquatch
MemberOvomorphJun-11-2012 8:09 AM+1 more thing: The octopussy thing, which is extracted from the doctor's belly, grows to approx 10 times of its size in a perfectly sealed environment, without any food. How? You cannot gain mass out of thin air....
In Alien 1 at least, the creature runs away, so you can assume, that it finds something to eat in the docks. But here?
LonelyCaterpillar
MemberOvomorphJun-12-2012 8:06 AMI think that David spent a lot of time doting on Dr. Shaw because he is attempting to be human and express "love" for her. It seems that during the movie he wants to be seen as "human" and even in the beginning sequences he is practicing human behaviors that aren't necessary as a robot. This is why he infected her partner, and this is why he held on to her cross. Why else would he have watched her dreams? It doesn't really explain why he didn't figure out a way to get the octopus baby out of her (other than scientific curiosity and/or bringing the "baby" back to earth), but then again, most robots can't read social cues....
Also-I think that the DNA matched because the Engineers eventually mutated with exposure to the black goo. Some of the Engineers reacted badly to the black goo, like the one whose head exploded, and some mutated/adapted to the exposure in various ways. I think that this might explain why the biologist died, the geologist turned into a killing machine that moved like an insect, and Holloway was still able to communicate but was obviously changing slowly. Granted, the method of exposure was different for all, but I think that this could explain why so many of the Engineers were dead? They were trying to escape what most thought would be death?
Then again these theories might sound crazy because I'm relatively new to the whole film franchise....