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Just a small continuity error

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IrNinjaBob

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:00 PM
I loved the movie. I am in the camp that thinks this is an instant classic, and the same reason it is recieving criticism now is also the reason this is a movie that will be loved by lots of people for a long time. That being said, there are a lot of questions left either unanswered or up to the viewers interpretation. There are lots of discussions on those issues, and that's not what this thread is for. I just noticed something during the movie and want to know what other people thought, or of there was dialog that I missed that would explain it better. What I thought was one of the funniest things that didn't make sense to me, but didn't hurt the movie in any significant way deals with the medical unit that was used to remove the fetus from Shaw. This may be me interpreting things incorrectly, but what I thought happened was it was established early on that Theron's character was so obsessed with her own desires that she had an attachment on he ship for her quarters, and that it was fully decked out with its own life support system, a level of comfort that clearly wasn't present elsewhere on Prometheus, and she had the medical unit installed for her to personally have access to in the case it was necessary. This did a great deal in portraying her tendency to care for herself more than others. Then later in the movie it is shown that it is a medical unit specifically for males. I'm guessing this was to give the added tension of Shaw having to come up with an alternate method of removing the fetus. Now, why if Theron had the unit installed as a precaution for herself was it a male specific unit? It might be that the added portion she is living in is really meant for Weyland the entire time, and she is using because she also feels entitled, but I got the sense that all of that luxury was somethig that SHE required, and that's why it was present. Again, if that is the case I think it does help develope her character, it just baffles me why they would later say it is a male specific unit.
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GigerFace 3.0

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:04 PM
It wasn't for Vickers it was for her father Weyland.

Spartan300

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:06 PM
From a previous post: Because Vickers is an Android Vickers does push-ups fresh out of hypersleep while the rest of the crew is throwing up all over the place and going into shock. No-one else finds this odd? She throws David quite easily and hard against the wall. The only time David seems even a little intimidated. She also could have done sexual things with the Cap that was not intercourse. I will elaborate if needed. Her Medpod in her personal chambers is programmed for men only. Is she not worried about herself having to use the device for safety precautions? According to Weyland industries website: No mentions of Peter Weyland having a daughter, but does list Vickers as a "life-long employee". Life- long meaning 1st and only job or life-long meaning produced and hired. Hmmmmm. Vickers ambiguous death - In a movie laced with brutal and detailed deaths why do a pg-13 cut-away death for Vickers? I say it was done on purpose. It does add flexibility to writing the next story line. And for those that say, "Vickers is dead, the ship fell on her!" Well the ship technically fell on Shaw too, but she was saved by a few well placed big rocks and a decline in the surface. When Vickers kisses Peter Weyland hand, he pulls it away (in disgust perhaps? I'm not sure). Just odd. If Vickers is not an android/synthetic, she is something else. She sure isn't the Hell Peter Weyland's daughter. Plus he is 103 years old in that scene on Prometheus. Lets say Vickers is 40. Weyland had her at 63? Maybe. Things about Vickers that made me say "Hmmmmm..." Any thoughts?

SSgt Fett

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:06 PM
It was programmed for males only for Weyland if he need to use it after leaving the hyper sleep chamber.

GigerFace 3.0

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:08 PM
Oh and btw I'm going to repost this early reply to another member's post because I think, like me you appreciated the great work Scott did with Prometheus...repost my reply if you like for all the haters to read over and get educated lol... I'm back lol, I've been on this site since last October, started out as GigerFace, then GigerFace 2.0 now I'm GigerFace 3.0 lol Anyways, I stopped myself from posting for months just because I wanted to wait until after I'd seen the film to post once again. So... @Mundus, I want to edit to your post and say that Prometheus was more of a prequel than meets the eyes. I think what a lot of people are missing is that most of the ties to ALIEN are in visuals and not in boring blatant exposition. And yet there are enough pieces of dialogue to fill in any of the blanks that aren't shown in the visuals. A great movie is one that shows and doesn't tell and that's exactly what Prometheus does. I'm not surprised that the movie is getting mixed reviews and mixed reactions from people because so did ALIEN lol. In fact ALIEN was mostly panned at first by critics which is ironic because Prometheus does have more positive professional reviews than ALIEN did back in 1979. It wasn't until many years later that ALIEN received its cult status and was deemed a masterpiece of film. It did well at the box office based on the shock and awe of the film's impression upon the general public, but it wasn't praised for it's stellar performances and story depth, although, Weaver did get lots of praise similar to what Repace and Fassbender are getting right now. Therefore I think those that are complaining or are panning the film are not getting it just like those critics didn't get ALIEN back in the day. In retrospect ALIEN left just as many questions as Prometheus has, frankly that's the reason why Scott decided to make Prometheus in the first place because all other film makers overlooked the questions left with ALIEN. Scott never said where the xenomorph came from, never confirmed if LV426 was the homeplanet of the xenomorph, never told us why the Nostromo was out in deep space mining in the first place, never told us who the company was, and certainly didn't tell us how the derelict got there, but hey none of that really mattered to the audience watching ALIEN back then, they just watched and allowed themselves to be entertained and visually assaulted. Which is the same thing Prometheus has done for those that allow it to be the movie it's meant to be. The problem is nowadays audiences are so instant gratification and so spoiler happy that they don't get where Scott is coming from no more than the "know it all" critics got ALIEN. These displeased people are going into the film looking for a carbon copy of ALIEN that gives them all the answers to everything, when watching a rehash of ALIEN would have been truly horrible. I applaud and appreciate that Scott showed us the opposite spectrum of what ALIEN was. If ALIEN is a slow burn nail biting who goes there film, then Prometheus is surely a breakneck Indy race where the finish line is in sight but isn't the final race. Prometheus didn't have to have a better xeno than the xenomorph from ALIEN because that would have just been more of the same just for the sake of trying to one up one's self. Prometheus instead showed us something much more dangerous than the xenomorph, it showed us an intelligent species that is millions of years more advanced than us of whom we can't even begin to understand their reasoning. And by introducing us to the Engineers Scott has given us a potential for endless stories and endless questions. Like for example, did every urn contain a different set of dna building blocks?! When you think about the Engineers capacity for creation, you got a pretty expansive spectrum, from us, to xenos, to you name it. Prometheus brings questions to the table that may never be answered and yet it provides explanation for the things like the relationship between the xeno and the Engineer. The Engineers and the xenomorph appear to have a master to tool relationship and using a loose analogy, the xenomorphs are like the guns of our world, in that they only weapons and when used unwisely they can tear a society apart from the inside out, no pun intended. I can only imagine that in the timeline of the Engineers there once was a time when the Engineers effectively used the xenos on a regular based and probably got sloppy in their use of them until things got out of hand like any weapon of mass destruction is bound to do. I could certainly go off on even more of a tangent, but regardless, I think Prometheus was the most efficient prequel to ALIEN that could have been done and in the end plays as a great companion piece to ALIEN without taking away any of the mystery of ALIEN because we still have questions in the end.

GigerFace 3.0

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:09 PM
Oh and btw I'm going to repost this early reply to another member's post because I think, like me you appreciated the great work Scott did with Prometheus...repost my reply if you like for all the haters to read over and get educated lol... I'm back lol, I've been on this site since last October, started out as GigerFace, then GigerFace 2.0 now I'm GigerFace 3.0 lol Anyways, I stopped myself from posting for months just because I wanted to wait until after I'd seen the film to post once again. So... @Mundus, I want to edit to your post and say that Prometheus was more of a prequel than meets the eyes. I think what a lot of people are missing is that most of the ties to ALIEN are in visuals and not in boring blatant exposition. And yet there are enough pieces of dialogue to fill in any of the blanks that aren't shown in the visuals. A great movie is one that shows and doesn't tell and that's exactly what Prometheus does. I'm not surprised that the movie is getting mixed reviews and mixed reactions from people because so did ALIEN lol. In fact ALIEN was mostly panned at first by critics which is ironic because Prometheus does have more positive professional reviews than ALIEN did back in 1979. It wasn't until many years later that ALIEN received its cult status and was deemed a masterpiece of film. It did well at the box office based on the shock and awe of the film's impression upon the general public, but it wasn't praised for it's stellar performances and story depth, although, Weaver did get lots of praise similar to what Repace and Fassbender are getting right now. Therefore I think those that are complaining or are panning the film are not getting it just like those critics didn't get ALIEN back in the day. In retrospect ALIEN left just as many questions as Prometheus has, frankly that's the reason why Scott decided to make Prometheus in the first place because all other film makers overlooked the questions left with ALIEN. Scott never said where the xenomorph came from, never confirmed if LV426 was the homeplanet of the xenomorph, never told us why the Nostromo was out in deep space mining in the first place, never told us who the company was, and certainly didn't tell us how the derelict got there, but hey none of that really mattered to the audience watching ALIEN back then, they just watched and allowed themselves to be entertained and visually assaulted. Which is the same thing Prometheus has done for those that allow it to be the movie it's meant to be. The problem is nowadays audiences are so instant gratification and so spoiler happy that they don't get where Scott is coming from no more than the "know it all" critics got ALIEN. These displeased people are going into the film looking for a carbon copy of ALIEN that gives them all the answers to everything, when watching a rehash of ALIEN would have been truly horrible. I applaud and appreciate that Scott showed us the opposite spectrum of what ALIEN was. If ALIEN is a slow burn nail biting who goes there film, then Prometheus is surely a breakneck Indy race where the finish line is in sight but isn't the final race. Prometheus didn't have to have a better xeno than the xenomorph from ALIEN because that would have just been more of the same just for the sake of trying to one up one's self. Prometheus instead showed us something much more dangerous than the xenomorph, it showed us an intelligent species that is millions of years more advanced than us of whom we can't even begin to understand their reasoning. And by introducing us to the Engineers Scott has given us a potential for endless stories and endless questions. Like for example, did every urn contain a different set of dna building blocks?! When you think about the Engineers capacity for creation, you got a pretty expansive spectrum, from us, to xenos, to you name it. Prometheus brings questions to the table that may never be answered and yet it provides explanation for the things like the relationship between the xeno and the Engineer. The Engineers and the xenomorph appear to have a master to tool relationship and using a loose analogy, the xenomorphs are like the guns of our world, in that they only weapons and when used unwisely they can tear a society apart from the inside out, no pun intended. I can only imagine that in the timeline of the Engineers there once was a time when the Engineers effectively used the xenos on a regular based and probably got sloppy in their use of them until things got out of hand like any weapon of mass destruction is bound to do. I could certainly go off on even more of a tangent, but regardless, I think Prometheus was the most efficient prequel to ALIEN that could have been done and in the end plays as a great companion piece to ALIEN without taking away any of the mystery of ALIEN because we still have questions in the end.

GigerFace 3.0

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:10 PM
Oh and btw I'm going to repost this early reply to another member's post because I think, like me you appreciated the great work Scott did with Prometheus...repost my reply if you like for all the haters to read over and get educated lol... I'm back lol, I've been on this site since last October, started out as GigerFace, then GigerFace 2.0 now I'm GigerFace 3.0 lol Anyways, I stopped myself from posting for months just because I wanted to wait until after I'd seen the film to post once again. So... @Mundus, I want to edit to your post and say that Prometheus was more of a prequel than meets the eyes. I think what a lot of people are missing is that most of the ties to ALIEN are in visuals and not in boring blatant exposition. And yet there are enough pieces of dialogue to fill in any of the blanks that aren't shown in the visuals. A great movie is one that shows and doesn't tell and that's exactly what Prometheus does. I'm not surprised that the movie is getting mixed reviews and mixed reactions from people because so did ALIEN lol. In fact ALIEN was mostly panned at first by critics which is ironic because Prometheus does have more positive professional reviews than ALIEN did back in 1979. It wasn't until many years later that ALIEN received its cult status and was deemed a masterpiece of film. It did well at the box office based on the shock and awe of the film's impression upon the general public, but it wasn't praised for it's stellar performances and story depth, although, Weaver did get lots of praise similar to what Repace and Fassbender are getting right now. Therefore I think those that are complaining or are panning the film are not getting it just like those critics didn't get ALIEN back in the day. In retrospect ALIEN left just as many questions as Prometheus has, frankly that's the reason why Scott decided to make Prometheus in the first place because all other film makers overlooked the questions left with ALIEN. Scott never said where the xenomorph came from, never confirmed if LV426 was the homeplanet of the xenomorph, never told us why the Nostromo was out in deep space mining in the first place, never told us who the company was, and certainly didn't tell us how the derelict got there, but hey none of that really mattered to the audience watching ALIEN back then, they just watched and allowed themselves to be entertained and visually assaulted. Which is the same thing Prometheus has done for those that allow it to be the movie it's meant to be. The problem is nowadays audiences are so instant gratification and so spoiler happy that they don't get where Scott is coming from no more than the "know it all" critics got ALIEN. These displeased people are going into the film looking for a carbon copy of ALIEN that gives them all the answers to everything, when watching a rehash of ALIEN would have been truly horrible. I applaud and appreciate that Scott showed us the opposite spectrum of what ALIEN was. If ALIEN is a slow burn nail biting who goes there film, then Prometheus is surely a breakneck Indy race where the finish line is in sight but isn't the final race. Prometheus didn't have to have a better xeno than the xenomorph from ALIEN because that would have just been more of the same just for the sake of trying to one up one's self. Prometheus instead showed us something much more dangerous than the xenomorph, it showed us an intelligent species that is millions of years more advanced than us of whom we can't even begin to understand their reasoning. And by introducing us to the Engineers Scott has given us a potential for endless stories and endless questions. Like for example, did every urn contain a different set of dna building blocks?! When you think about the Engineers capacity for creation, you got a pretty expansive spectrum, from us, to xenos, to you name it. Prometheus brings questions to the table that may never be answered and yet it provides explanation for the things like the relationship between the xeno and the Engineer. The Engineers and the xenomorph appear to have a master to tool relationship and using a loose analogy, the xenomorphs are like the guns of our world, in that they only weapons and when used unwisely they can tear a society apart from the inside out, no pun intended. I can only imagine that in the timeline of the Engineers there once was a time when the Engineers effectively used the xenos on a regular based and probably got sloppy in their use of them until things got out of hand like any weapon of mass destruction is bound to do. I could certainly go off on even more of a tangent, but regardless, I think Prometheus was the most efficient prequel to ALIEN that could have been done and in the end plays as a great companion piece to ALIEN without taking away any of the mystery of ALIEN because we still have questions in the end.

GigerFace 3.0

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:14 PM
Sorry for the double post uggh

Red Wolf

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:17 PM
Great points, Spartan300. Can't argue with any of them. Interesting though that she orders a vodka -- up -- but David declines a drink with Charlie, as it would "be wasted" on him... I mean , there are enough unanswered questions in this movie than there are goo canisters on the SJ's ship!

Spartan300

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:17 PM
I couldn't agree more Giger!

IrNinjaBob

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:41 PM
Very nice post, Giger. Also, Spartan, I didn't buy on to the "Vickers is an android." theory, but I think you just sold me. It changes the medical pod being a continuity error to it being a device used to indicate Vickers is indeed an android. And Red Wolf, the whole point of the idea the Vickers is a android is that David represents an android created to be a perfect tool for a human to use by replicating humanity in a convincing way, while still very clearly being distinctly an android, whereas Vickers would be an android created not to be used as a tool, but an attempt to perfectly recreate a human. We have to keep in mind hat Weyland is a multi-trillion dollar egomaniac, and it makes sense that his attempt at recreating humanity also carries that characteristic.

dsjohnson84

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 3:13 PM
Her being an android still doesn't explain Vicker's EMOTIONAL reaction to certain events. David NEVER expressed an emotional reaction to anything dramatic that occurred in front of him whereas Vicker's certainly did. I still don't buy it that she is a droid, but anything is possible. The fact that they threw in the "daughter" thing seems weak to me though, especially since they didn't expand on it or use it as an informative, narrative or character device beyond that scene. Her saying that didn't really have any impact on the story or her character... yet perhaps ANOTHER thing that may or not play a role in THE SEQUEL...

IrNinjaBob

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 3:21 PM
What I meant was if Vickers is an android, she is Weylands attempt at recreating emotions. David was created to act in a way that mimics human emotion to make humans feel comfortable, but he himself is meant as a tool that the humans can use, since he surpasses them in almost any way you can imagine. Whereas if Vickers is an android, she would be the opposite. She is an attempt at recreating human emotions in an android that is not designed to be superior to humans in any capacity, therefore not being a "tool," but in an attempt to recreate humanity. Either to a point where she believes in her own humanity, or makes every attempt at proving to others she is human. Which is likely why she slept with he captain. She makes it clear she isn't interested until he calls her out on beig an android. Either she is an android and is trying to prove she isnt, or him making such a bold statement just happens to be what gets Vickers all hot and bothered.

MostlyHarmless...Mostly

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 3:25 PM
I'm not certain what Vickers is, human, robot or something else but there is one little difference in the movie. She refers to Weyland as 'father', David calls him Mr. Weyland when he dies. Not a big deal, easy to write around but there it is.

Viva Vasquez

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 8:21 PM
ALIEN wasn't panned by most of the public. As far ALIEN having questions, it at least had some closure at the end. ALIEN was in fact a true monster movie. The alien in the film MADE the entire movie, because nobody had ever seen a creature like that. ALIEN was well received immediately not years after and was considered an instant masterpiece upon release. I was there. The same with ALIENS. It was well received by a MAJORITY of the public immediately. I saw both in the theaters and those experiences still have not been matched by Prometheus. The problem lies in not answering the first questions and instead piling on the questions. That's the Lindlelof issue. It's not a TV series where you wait until next week for an answer. You could get hit by a truck between now and the release of a Prometheus sequel.

Baeckm

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 8:50 PM
I saw the movie yesterday in IMAX 3 D, a great way to see it. I also thought the reference to Vicket's surgery module being programmed for males odd. Then I read the discussions about her possibly being an android. But how could she be one, having human emotions and not even being aware she might be a synthetic? And then it struck me: the Ridley Scott world also includes BLADERUNNER, set in the year 2019, where (Harrison Ford as Deckard) is sent to the Tyrell Corporation to ensure that the test works on Nexus-6 models (androids), Deckard discovers that Tyrell's (Joe Turkel) assistant Rachael (Sean Young) is an experimental replicant who believes herself to be human; Rachael's consciousness has been enhanced with false memories to provide an "emotional cushion". So, maybe Vicket's isn't as human as we'd like to believe?

Baeckm

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 9:02 PM
What of the chest-burst SPACE JOCKEY? My theory: since the Engineer's ship is brought down at the end of the film, and he goes to persue, and is killed, we know it's not him. However, even after the fetus is removed from Shaw, she has extreme pains, reminiscent of Exec Officer Kane (John Hurt) in the original ALIEN, right before the chest bursting scene. We know Shaw and David take another Engineer ship to attempt going to the home planet. So, what if, Shaw is piloting the ship, encased in the Engineer's Space Jockey suit, the xenomorph bursts out, the ship crashes, becoming the derelict, the xenomorph is female (coming from Shaw), and starts laying eggs (ALIENS), setting things in motion for the arrival, at some point in the future, for Ripley and the crew of the Nostromo. Just a theory...

g873489

MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 9:51 AM
I kind of like the idea that Shaw is the Space Jockey. I hadn't pictured the Queen in the world of Prometheus. The parallel lifecycle with Alien (Shaw and Holloway are Brett and Dallas turned into eggs) really stands out to me, but the idea of the Queen laying all those eggs in the derelict is cool too. As for the med-pod, I think it and the rest of the accommodations were for Weyland but Vickers felt entitled to them. The arguments for Vickers being a droid are very strong, but the idea of her being a terribly codependent human appeals to me more. There are two things about the med-pod that bother me. What is the difference between a man's med-pod and a woman's med-pod? I'd have understood if it was configured solely for Weyland's use, because if it were doing a major procedure with general anesthesia during an emergency there wouldn't be time to waste scanning him to infer his medical history, allergies and chronic diseases. But then there would be no way for Shaw to use the pod at all. My main issue is what is the point, dramatically, of its talking back? It's like a "Mother, God damn you!" moment except that Mother's lack of regard for the crew was a significant issue in Alien, but the pod's lack of consideration for Shaw just prolongs her ordeal for a few seconds while making me scratch my head as to why it won't do what she tells it. Unless I'm missing something, I think I could do without that part altogether.

GigerFace 3.0

MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 9:41 PM
I think it was inferred that the Derelict Juggernaut on LV246 had been there at least as long as 2000 years and maybe even possibly longer. The pieces that I think some people are missing is that LV223 had several domed structures on it, at least 5 that we could see, and almost definitely each dome contained a different weapon system arrangement and a Juggernaut craft to carry its cargo to its destination. Shaw and the others only got a chance to enter the first dome. That dome contained urns/ampules, the next dome could have contained eggs, the next dome could have contained something we haven't even seen, and so on and so on. When the first dome experienced a "melt down," for lack of a better analogy, all the domes were probably issued an evacuation order. Hence forth why there were so many dead Engineers piled up in the first dome because they probably all came from the other domes to assist with the melt down in the first dome, but one of the Engineers who was probably right in the middle of his launch went ahead and took off giving us the Derelict from ALIEN and most likely the reason why he had his accident and crashed was because he took off in a hurry without making sure all of his cargo was secure and without probably his 3 co-pilots. Even for a culture as immensely advanced as the Engineers mistakes can happen under chaotic situations.
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