Mr.J
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 11:58 AMThese plots can work but the writers that Scott hires need to be veterans on writing and now what they are doing....
Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 11:59 AMI was just about to start a thread about this but I figured I'd post it in here.
Now, I have not seen the film yet and some of my thoughts work under the assumption that the Engineers already planned on destroying us before the Prometheus mission but you could work my ideas around to go either way.
Now say the Engineers were already planning to destroy us and all the biomechanical mostrosities that attack the crew of the Prometheus were their means of doing so. That said, what if Shaw and David make it to the Engineer home world, cause some trouble and maybe escape or die or whatever. The Engineers, now unaware of exactly what happened believe that their plan to destroy mankind has gone terribly awry. So bad in fact that a human and an android, maybe with reinforcments or by themselves, have shown up on their planet. They would obviously loose faith in their means of destruction and start to devise new ones. Or say they already have other means of mass destruction aka THE XENOS.
I think that would be cool and would be a great way of showing how the Engineer in Alien got there. Maybe say it was unknown to the Engineers that Shaw and David were on their planet but the Engineers know that the plan on Zeta II Riticuli to destry mankind went wrong. So the Engineers create the Xenos for maximum destruction and send out the Derelict full of eggs. But Shaw and David somehow find out and sneak onto the ship and stop yet another attempt to destroy mankind.
So there. What a lot of people seem to want to see. The creation of the Xenos and how the Engineer and derelict came to be on LV-426.
I mean, there are all kinds of ways you could make that work and it would please me even though I'm quite glad the xenos and explainations are nowhere near this film.
Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 12:05 PMAnd like I said, I haven't seen the film and don't know of all the new questions it raises. But I'm sure you could work the above around to fit.
Ripley McPreviouscharacter
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 12:34 PMInfinity and beyond?
Hedge your bets on the space jockey homeworld. They aren't going to make the next one MORE explicitly an alien prequel.
With what I know about the goo and the bodyhugger and such, there's so much room to grow from that root. I'd like to see that explored, but at the same time, I'd REALLY like to see Giger design another, unrelated monster.
The big thing for Prometheus 2, I figure, is that it's PROMETHEUS 2, and not ALIEN 0/8/7/whatever. There's no obligation to have anything to do with LV426, so I don't think it will.
There's always time to make a straight alien prequel later, but at this point all it would be is a ship crashing. There are more interesting stories that have jockey alien potential, as far as I'm concerned.
axl rose
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 12:57 PM1st post-looong time lurker!my plot to link the 1st alien movie to this movie(if thats what is intended by ridley which its probably not) would be like this......
BACK STORY----WHAT YOU DONT NO BUT FIND OUT....space jockeys were once peaceful creatures and very advanced,they were not our creators but a select few (couple of hundred)did visit earth and gave us great technologies information etc...this did not go down well with the other space jockeys and war broke out, from the select few many were killed(hence they are the prometheus) as they were the minority in the war,however the long war has destroyed 90% of the engineers as its been long and brutal,thats the reason why the engineers want to destroy humanity because they do not want us to have the power we recieved from the rouge(special few enginners).
so one side of the space jockeys created a great weapon in the war.the xenos and released them onto lv-233 they destroyed all but 1 enginner on this military base they manged to kill all the xenos too but at a cost of only 1 survvivng,even though lv 233 is a miltary base of the select few even they want the humans dead now as they see them as the cause of this war and their destruction as they possibly the end to the war but they are too engaged in their own war,that is why the engineer reacts as he does to the humans and then tries to get in his ship and go destroy us.
so prometheus 2 begins with the ship on the way to the home planet,however space jockeys scan the ship as soon as its off the ground realise its a human in control and immediatly the ship goes into auto pilot which shaw and david are powerless to stop.the ship sets a new course for the remaining few select few space jockeys,its their last remaining military base,lv -426.
the creatures and the blacks urn etc on lv-233 were the select few space jockeys trying to create their own xenos etc but they had not got the resources of their enemies the other space jockeys so they cudnt create something as good as the xenos.
when shaw and davids ship arrives on lv-426 things are about to take off,in the sky is the derelict ship,its a cargo ship full of xenos that is been piloted by the last remaining other space jockeys,its the final war,the select few space jockeys take it out with a giant missile/lazer the derelict crashes to the ground many of the space jockey crew are killed and now the xenos are running wild,shaw and david find other humans in the temples these humans are being readies for hosts to the select few space jockeys bio cretures,these can provide for other humans perhaps heroes and most certainly people to be killed!
anyway the story goes on during the great war the xenos are in the film but very sparringly its more focused on the humans survivng and the space jockeys killing each other with their own creations the xenos killing both tribes....
basically the end would be left with no human survivors or maybe a dying victim inside the derelict and just as the last surviving enginner/space jockey gets into his chair to finally destoy humanity before he is killed by the now millions of xenos,boom he gets chest bursted and its over,with all the enginners killed by there own war and there own creations no humans left but one (shaw maybe although lead woman too predictable now)still alive for seconds to see earth has not been destroyed and it will be safe as all space jockeys are now dead as the one in the seat was the last one alive
what do you think?of course you could throw loads of cool mini stories in there and add some different types of xenos than the normal ones,i think it answers a lot of the questions but still the great question open of if they didnt create us then who did etc........
sorry if its long or shit i just came up with it ha
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 1:58 PMIt´s really tough to control these threads nowadays, but I have already opened [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/6193]exactly the same thread[/url] at the other section of the forum.
There I made the following remarks:
"I have not seen Prometheus yet since it will start later in my country, but the plot is already at large and the mistery is over.
So this is time to start wondering about the possible Prometheus 2 plot.
[for the start, maybe not "Prometheus 2" since Prometheus is no more]
The truth is that the Engineer´s society is advanced, but is not "rational" as we are used to think of advanced alien civilizations. And that´s ok to me; here on Earth people used advanced airliners to crush a mighty skyscraper in the name of their religion (well the story is a little bit more complicated but let´s go over it).
For some reason the xeno thing seems to be sacred to them.
I think this have some implications in why and how they intended to exterminate mankind two thousand years ago.
To me it´s clear they don´t want exterminate us for something we did. I believe that the only way this story could go is: they created us to be destroyed. And in this process, be the vessels to the xeno´s birth. That´s why we have the SJ DNA but are not SJ´s; we are a "cattle" version of the SJ´s.
The problem to the SJ´s is that something went terribly wrong and they where decimated. I believe that what Shaw will find at the SJ´s homeworld will be the ruins of their civilization _ otherwise, other SJ´s ships would already have visited Earth with their dangerous cargo.
A last mad and maniacal tought: it´s said that Shaw radiocarboned the SJ corpses and found that they where 2000 years old. This means that the SJ ship would bring doom to Earth by Christ´s time. Is it a coincidence that the xeno at the mural seems cruxificated? I´m lost at this and really can´t see how to develop this link, but don´t think this is unintentional..."
One more thing:
@Deckard_B26354,
You seem´s to be losing sight of the fact that whatever happened to the Engineers outpost in LV-223, happened two thousand years ago...time enough to the Engineers send an infinite number of ships to destroy Earth. As the contrafactual is living and well, I suppose that whatever happened at LV-223 also happened to their homeworld.
Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 2:19 PM@Ripley McPreviouscharacter...I agree with you. I've always been against seeing more xenos and having all the answers. I just know that a lot of fans are bitching. Having these things expplained as well as going in new directions is completely possible. I really don't care if they ever explain the stuff from Alien. It would be cool to see though.
@centrosphere...You must have missed where I said that I hadn't seen the film and didn't know if the Engineers had already had a plan to destroy mankind or if the Prometheus voyage set that off. Must have also missed me stating that most of the ideas could be worked around that pretty easily. So , I really didn't loose any sight lol.
Also, so your theory is the Engineers created xenos and then created us as hosts for the xenos? Doesn't make much sense to me. First if they can create all this why create something that you have to create something else in order to be it's host. Why not just create it. Also, wouldn't you need a human first, then a xeno? How would you know you needed one to have the other. Just too nonsensical for RS if you ask me.
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 3:31 PM@Deckard_B26354,
I don´t understand; what I took issue in your post was this idea:
"The Engineers, now unaware of exactly what happened believe that their plan to destroy mankind has gone terribly awry. "
I think this is impossible because they were prone to wipe us from the face of Earth...2000 years ago. How could they don´t know what happened if they are still alive? Mainly because the archeological record shows that they were sistematically recording events on Earth. Ops! I just found a big problem in the script...more later.
About the putative reason for the Engineers creating us: of course you´re entitled to your opinions. But I don´t see many reasonable reasons for them creating us intending to destroy us later. The xeno displayed in the mural, in front of the sacrificial bow, seems to be a signal that they worship it. Your question about "why they dont make the xenos directly" is reasonable, but what I just stressed is that probably most of their behaviour isn´t explainable by technological feasibility but by the needs of the ritual _ after all if they would just "make" things they could have made us instead of cooking us from the primordial soup and waiting millions years in the process.
DAVIS
MemberOvomorphJun-01-2012 12:49 AMThat alien creature definitely will put some sperms into Vickers, Vicker become Alien Queen. :)