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BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-19-2012 9:05 PM
After finding out some stuff about this movie, i think its safe to compare it to Batman. We all remember the 1989 Batman movie staring Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson and the Franchise that followed.... it was done to death and some movies started to lack that freshness of the first few..... sound familiar? Then we had Batman Begins... and while Batman 1989 gave us some indictation to the orgin of Batman and his Story it never did it in much detail if any at all.... just as Alien did not with the Xeno Orgins.... Now Batman Begins was a detailed explanation of Batman before he became the Crime Stopper Hero that he was in Batman, the movie was released as a prequel, but it had a more depth and darker side to it.... essentially while it was a story about Batmans Orgins, it never directly lead to the 1989 movie. It was more of a retelling of the story... and character. Then we had the Dark Knight we was basically a direct sequel to Batman Begings but it was also a retelling/reboot of the Orginal Batman 1989 movie. This franchise ends with the Dark Knight Rises, it would apear that Batmans crime fighting days will come to a end... and while this would be a disapointment to some Batman fans, because it means this new franchise never touched upon or revisited/rebooted Villians such as Penguin, The Ridler and Mr Freeze etc and what about Robin his sidekick.... We will see a easter egg to Robin, but he will not apear in that movie.... So new Batman Franchise, no Robin, no Mr Freeze, Ridley or Penguin... damn thats a let down for Batman fans... But then if you can get past that, and if you can watch the movies on their merits many would agree it made a much deeper, darker and better story than the 1989 to 1997 Franchise even though yes it left out some characters... My point being that this is how i see Prometheus going, there are elements from Alien Universe that will be covered but in more depth, and the story would be set as a orgins and before Alien.... just as Batman Begins is set prior to Batman 1989.... Does that mean that a Prometheus 2 could revist Alien but in a reboot we just dont know, its fair to say that Ridley is not goin to create a story and plot that concerns Shaw and her having a Baby that grows into a Organism that we can familiarise with the Xeno and indeed Face Hugger, we dont know how Prometheus would end... But it could be that after the movie the last of the Engineer Jockeys could be gone... So if Shaws Baby and what ever it spawns are also gone in this movie, then the only things to be explored really if Prometheus 2 is set after this movie, would be the survivors and what becomes of Weyland Corp, what becomes of LV 223 and its secrets in those Urns and what ever else it may create. So i guess we need to give this movie a chance, does Batman Dark Knight Trilogy mean that we cant consider the Batman 1989-1997 Anthology to not exist or that they should be consider not propper Batman films.... No it does not, its just a alternative story... just as the new Spiderman reboot of the Spiderman Trilogy that was released prior.... So thus Ridley is going to do the same with this movie, and no doubt Prometheus 2 would be about a Alien Organism, that has likeness to the Xeno, but allows Ridley to explore new ways for how it evolves, and not be limited to the Xeno Cycle etc..... Will Prometheus make or try to sugest that we should just Burn our coppies of Alien Franchise... nope... Yes we may never get a exact detail of Derelict on LV 426 and its Cargo or how it was exactly created, Prometheus will show us what the Engineers are and what they do and how simular creations can be created which will give us clues to how the Xeno may had also been created. And as in my other thread Ridley has already explained what the Derelict was doing on LV 426 and what became of the Pilot already.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 9:25 PM
What are you actually saying?....

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-19-2012 9:38 PM
Ok in a nutshelll.... Promethus may be based before Alien just as Batman Begins does before Batman 1989... Batman Begins then progressed to its own Trilogy based on Batman and in the Batman universe, but is not to be considered linked to the 1989-1997 Batman movies. So it would be not so much a reboot, just a different story that shares some of the same elements from the Alien Universe. And while Dark Knight Franchise never did and wont give us Penguin, Mr Freeze, Ridler or even Robin, in its own rights it was a very dark and better told more serious story/franchise. Thus just because Prometheus may take us to a franchise that we would never see the Xeno, Face Hugger, or get some explanations from Alien and that we wont maybe ever see Ripley in any future Prometheus movie does not mean that Prometheus cant be seen as its own Franchise that does not try to rubish or discredit Alien.... THUS.... We should maybe view the Alien Franchise and Prometheus as we do with the Batman Anthology compared to newer Dark Knight Trilogy. Thats as their own seperate stories in the same universe based on the same kinds of things, just told in a different and unrelated fassion.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Skipo

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 10:24 PM
@KingMe Wise words!

Skipo

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 9:52 PM
@BigDave First, like Doctor Sheldon Cooper, Joel Schumacher is in my list of enemies, for nearly ruining the Batman franchise. And yes!!! I think I'm getting your excellent point! Thanks for that.

Xenophobia

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 10:06 PM
Ehh... Still fail to see what exactly you'r saying there. Batman Begins has absolutely nothing to do with that weirdo Tim Burton's 1989 Batman, it's a re-boot of the entire franchise envisioned, written and directed by Christopher Nolan who has done a brilliant job with the Caped Crusader so far. Let's face it if Burton was to do another Batman movie it would probably have Johnny Depp in the leading role as Bruce Wayne, not that I hate Mr. Depp but come on!! And as per Prometheus last I checked both this and the first Alien were directed by the same chap, so how far you really think he's gonna distance himself from his first masterpiece?

Hephaesta

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 10:09 PM
@Xeno...yeah, I was never that fond of the Burton Batman, either. I often wondered if I was the one person on the planet that had a...meh...reaction to it. Thanks for the post. It's reassuring to find out that I'm not alone.

Skipo

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 10:17 PM
I posted in other discussions, my "feeling" and my opinion is that Sir Ridley is trying to separate from the Alien franchise owned by Fox. For me, he is kind of "hermetical" about the Alien DNA. Ok, ok, we all know about "the last 8 or 12 minutes" of the movie, but I don't know...

draekus

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 10:18 PM
As Xenophobia Said. Batman begins was not a prequel. It rebooted the franchise.

KingMe

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 10:22 PM
hopefully we won't get a lame catwoman like spinoff movie

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-19-2012 11:27 PM
"Ehh... Still fail to see what exactly you'r saying there. Batman Begins has absolutely nothing to do with that weirdo Tim Burton's 1989 Batman, it's a re-boot of the entire franchise envisioned," Thats what i am saying.... ;) Oh Batman Begins is set before Batman 1989..... because Batman Begins tells of the rise of Batman the story behind how Bruce Wayne becomes Batman... Only it is a retelling a reboot of sorts... thus the sequel Dark Knight is actually like a full reboot of the 1989 Batman.. I think maybe a lot of you switch off when reading my essays lol... So yes what i am saying is just how Batman 1989 to 1997 is based on Batman, and many things in the Batman Universe but so is the Dark Knights, they are just a different take on the same universe. Hence i feel Promethues would be the same a different take on the Alien Universe. Prometheus may never have nothing to do with Xeno or Face Hugger from Alien/Aliens, it may in future not move on from David 8 to Ash etc.... Just as the Dark Knight Trilogy wont have Penguin, Ridler or Robin.... It is essentially a rebooted prequel... not direct ish like the Thing 2011 and not a complete reboot like Abrahams Star Trek.... thus i think the Batman 1989 = Alien, Prometheus = Batman Begins is kind of the best description of whats going on.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Newtella

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 11:49 PM
True sci-fi horror & noir-esque comic book heroes do not mix as metaphors for either. That aside, I never understood Jack Nicholson chosen for the Joker. Sure, he has the face for it but... the thing that burned me was that fanboys were whining about how Kim Basinger had gained a few pounds while no one even [u]blinked[/u] about ol' Jack being WAY too short & fat to play the Joker... Give me a break.

Cyberdeath

MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 11:59 PM
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Newtella

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 12:02 AM
@Shawluv: I'm a bitchin' nerd and you're a bitchin' nerd in fabulously different ways... : D

Prenihility

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 2:02 AM
Oh...Shit...Don't tell me it's gonna turn into Alien VS Predator VS Batman VS Engineer?! Motherf-.... Because it already exists...Minus the Engineer. See for yourselves.... [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZVp9NFhQE]AVPVB...[/url]

alphatechsungun

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 3:36 AM
they obviously see a potential new franchise here. though unless the public reaction to sci fi does not improve and support this movie it will go the way of sci fi on televsion. one season and your gone. or like the sad tale of BS blood and chrome, a pilot but the series is cancelled before it gets released. though we all support sci fi. most of the public just support rubbish. the syfy channel being a sore point.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 5:53 AM
Let me clear this up... This is briefly touching upon the subject of canon... In 1989 Tim Burton had the idea for a Batman trilogy. The first film BATMAN was pretty much as he intended it to be, but in BATMAN RETURNS changes had to made, which essentially ruined Burton's plans for his trilogy. The main change was the character of Max Shreck (Christopher Walken) which was originally meant to be Harvey Dent, whom actually appeared in BATMAN, played by Billy Dee Williams. But when Billy declined to return the character was changed to Max Shreck. Yes, originally BATMAN RETURNS was to tell the story of how Harvey Dent became two face. As a result of this, and other changes Burton walked out, shortly followed by Michael Keaton leaving WB with a franchise with no Director/Writer and no main character. Keen to keep the franchise alive, and the money coming in they threw together BATMAN FOREVER, using Burtons notes and the downward spiral began. Christopher Nolan's BATMAN trilogy is completely unrelated to Burtons. Nolan, being a fan of the comic along with David Goyer (Blade Trilogy) felt that the story could be retold in a darker, more realistic tone that emulated the dark visage originally envisioned by Bob Kane (before Robin was introduced to appeal to the kids). Henceforth we got BATMAN BEGINS, the tale of a dark detective/vigilante, prepared to do what the police can't, whom uses fear as a weapon and his fortune as a shield. Now both of these franchises are not only unrelated to each other, they are also unrelated to the source material, the comics. True batman fans, are fans of the comic, because the comic is the source material, and the only material that is actually canon. Batman cartoons, the Adam West TV series and both series of films are all adaptations, nothing more.

Marcus

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 4:10 AM
So yes what i am saying is just how Batman 1989 to 1997 is based on Batman, and many things in the Batman Universe but so is the Dark Knights, they are just a different take on the same universe. Now I agree with the above but to say that the dark knight is a retelling/reboot of batman 89 is just ridiculous. Begins, tdk and tdkr have nothing to do with the old franchise

super-massive black hole

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 2:20 PM
If there was ever going to be another Prometheus type follow up other than OF COURSE Ridley Scott doing it I think Christopher Nolan would do it very well I think. Depends on what take he would have upon it all though.

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-20-2012 2:40 PM
Guys thats what i mean.... Each movie had.... Batman and his Gadgets, the Batcave, Bruce Wayne etc.... They also shared some of the Villans... Joker, Two Face and Cat Woman etc... Just these elements from the universe was used in the Franchises in a different way.... Dark Knight does not have anything to do with Batman 1989? Its does, in that its a retelling of the story... both movies give different backgrounds to how the Joker came to be and his relation to Batman.... But they are both a movie about Batman and Joker..... just told in a different way... Hence Prometheus would share a lot from the Alien universe just told in a different way......

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Osiris

MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 1:25 AM
Wow a lot of Hate for the 89 Batman?!?!?! Batman Returns wasn't as good but I thought both movies were entertaining and have their place in the Batman universe. MK was a good Batman and Jack was a great Joker. Burton did a great job with the sets being dark but a little quirky on some things. Batman 89 was a huge success. I don't know how much more "realistic" the new movies are, just done differently with the modern day magic of Hollywood. I mean the DKR scene with Hines Ward looks pretty fake to me....

Indy John

MemberOvomorphJan-10-2013 6:20 AM
It's been about 7 months since this thread was started. Having just seen TDNR my initial thoughts was that it was not very good. Not much action but a quite an evil Bane. Then I watched it again with the wife. She enjoyed it and even asked how this Batman movie was related to all the other Batman movies. In reading the beginnings of this thread it seems the same question could be asked and answered and answered about Alien and Prometheus. The Prometheus storyline may or may not be directly related to Alien. Oh they are related but as RS has said in the same Universe but not have to be a diect prequel. It sort of reminded me that not everything in our movie has to exactly match up with what we know from previous Alien movies. The Prometheus stories could and should sand on their own merits. If and when the movies do connect , weell, that would just be a great dessert. Still it is sort of fun to try to connect then dots so to speak.
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caenorhabhditis

MemberOvomorphJan-10-2013 6:40 AM
=O you didnt like tdkr!!! i loved it chris nolan is the only director besides ridley scott that has manged to really wow me in recent years sure there are good director but these two are my faves! artists!
I LIKE WORMS! I LOVE WORMS!

Indy John

MemberOvomorphJan-10-2013 6:46 AM
I thought TDK was great. TDKN not as good/interesting at first viewing. Like Prometheus iIneeded to work through the movie a few times. Now I think TDNK rises is pretty good and I recommend it.
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javablue

MemberOvomorphJan-11-2013 1:31 AM
I did read somewhere that Nolan made all his people watch Blade Runner before filming started on his Batman.

Indy John

MemberOvomorphJan-11-2013 5:45 AM
I recall a post asking about how the Promethues ship design looked a bit like the 'The Bat' in TDKR. When I first watched the TDKR over the holidays when I saw 'The Bat' my first thought was of Prometheus. They may bit be directly related but seemd to be in the same Universe, so to speak. Searching for the lost post I stumbled across this thread.
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Anunnaki50

MemberOvomorphJan-11-2013 7:09 PM
Even after Batman the movie Batman Returns seemed to much of a closed set not enough environment. I like it but it was wayyyy too dark, Tim Burton is just a weird gloomy kind of guy. Nolans movies like the Batman trilogy were very well done and made it litterally come alive. The city and the people seemed very real compared to stupid ass Joel Schumacher. His movies absolutely blowed and I mean it. Bane was just a dumb monster compared to the actual man, who was a careful strategist and fighter.

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