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The Derelict NEVER had a cargo of eggs..

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CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:32 AM
nor were they laid. But the eggs on the Derelict are in fact Transformed URNS !! created by the "proto" Xeno which emerges from the SJ. I touched on this in a bit more detail in the Alien "Deleted Scene" topic. Thoughts?
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philou

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:38 AM
yes mais je croit pas que sa vient de sa. I' m sorry for you!!!

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:40 AM
Im very sorry for you. The only the thing French are experts in is... - Poor personal hygiene - Lousy "cuisine" and... - How to bend over and say "ahhhhh" for the Germans.

ShinobiX9X

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:41 AM
I know how they are put looks similar. But there is a problem if you assume that the eggs were on the Derelict, and the urns are in a pyramidesc tmple. If the Alien Derelict crashed on a temple, or the temple urns are inside a derelict, it would work though. I don't know yet, i guess May 30th i'll get my answers.

ShinobiX9X

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:43 AM
He said he doesn't think that is what happens. @ Canada my hygiene is good The cuisine is great and the rest would be cursing

Pvt. Hudson

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:47 AM
@ CanadaPhil - You might consider thinking before you start posting racist comments - that was really uncalled for and I won't be surprised if you get banned.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:48 AM
Im saying that the URNS were the ACTUAL cargo on the Derelict ship. The URNS and their "life-form" goo are what the SJ used to seed new life forms across the universe. When the "proto" Xeno emerges from the SJ, the Derelict is crashed on on a desolute world. The Xeno is effectiving completely marooned on a lifeless world, and is intelligent enough to realize this. The lone "proto" Xeno, driven by "instinct" or the need to survive in way or another as most sentient life forms are, sets about fashioning or transforming the ONLY organic or life containing material it has available to it as a means of securing its future existance. The URNS become the Eggs. The "proto" Xeno dies, but its new "EGGS" are left in a form a stasis, to bide their time if you will, until the Nostromo happens along many decades later.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:49 AM
You realize Im responding to a guy who in another post called ENGLISH THE LANGUAGE OF SHIT RIGHT??

darthmongo

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:49 AM
"But the eggs on the Derelict are in fact Transformed URNS !!" This is a fact? How do you know this?

ShinobiX9X

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:53 AM
@Canada in a final attempt to be part of a fanbase he loves he's using google translate, and that gives very funny (or misinterpreted) results. that's why i offer translation when i can, then all can be happy

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 9:53 AM
Its a theory Which is some way, is sort of an extension of the Alien "Deleted" scene. Many seems to hate the "Queen" idea. I am fine with the Queen idea. This is just an alternate theory for how it is we see rows of EGGS in 1979. We are NOT going to see rows of leathery eggs in this film. Just a theory.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMar-29-2012 10:03 AM
@ CanadaPhil - First Warning (racist comments and foul language) On Topic - I am fine with the Queen idea, just not one coming out of the SJ to lay all the eggs, because the eggs were cargo, as shown by the layer of blue laser-mist and their arrangment only within the troughs. But I am not a fan of this idea of urns becoming eggs - the inanimate becoming animate, is a little too hard to swallow.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:06 AM
Further... Althought there is obvious misdirection going on in the trailers, perhaps the point of Shaw's genuine alarm is that the Jockey Ship is taking off with a cargo of URNS... the purpose being to start over or "rewrite" the forms of life that were originally set here to evolve. In effect, we are to be punished for in essence "stealing a secret of the God's".... The Prometheus theme.

ShinobiX9X

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:10 AM
In that case the eggs were there before whatever made a hole in the SJsuit. And if that thing that came out got killed making a hole in the floor, later the Nostromo crew find it thatnks to that hole.

EGR101

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:11 AM
RE: No Eggs on Derelict Position: I agree It seems impractical to place individual eggs that need to stand upright inside a ship. Think about it. Don't tell me after the ship crash lands on a rocky terrain of LV426, the eggs inside the ship are still in pristine condition, standing upright, perfectly distanced from each other...?!! Even if there exists some exotic artificial graviton technology, it's just way too improbable. The ship lands on a temple. It is drawn to the temple just like the archaeologist & team are drawn to the planet in PROMETHEUS. The Ampule Room where those egg-like Urns are carefully placed is not inside "derelict" craft. The temple has long narrow corridors (see those 3D images from the probe in the trailers). The derelict has high ceilings and shorter corridors. Look at those trailers again folks! I could be wrong. Don't hate me now...

Kalaghan

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:13 AM
- Poor personal hygiene - Lousy "cuisine" and... - How to bend over and say "ahhhhh" for the Germans. I love being ironic too Phil! >>>>>Canadian? French elders? ;D Take it easy!

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMar-29-2012 10:15 AM
Look at the 3D scan image of the corridors of the supposed temple generated by the floating red orbs, looks like the inside of the Derelict to me. I think they think they are below the temple before finding out they are in fact inside the Derelict.

ShinobiX9X

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:15 AM
Ah yes, you're right, i saw that wrong. when i saw the green hologram from that corridor scan i kindof unpurposed saw the shape of the derelict spacecraft.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:16 AM
Granted... I NEVER was a fan of the "they create their own egg idea". And that deleted scene is NOT even in the mainstream and most dont even know it exists. I have no problem with the QUEEN idea and it makes perfect sense to me. What I am getting at that there seems to be legion of people who are somehow demanding that there HAS to be a Xenomorph in this, and that they are somehow a bioweapon and that the Derelict was travelling with a cargo of bioweapons. I dont go for this idea at all. In this theory, the Xeno as they think of it doesnt even exist yet. It is the completely unintended consequence of DAVID messes with the URN bioformer and then transferring what initially begins in him to a HUMAN host. For all we know, the dead SJ in Alien is probably NOT EVEN AWARE of exactly what it might have inside it... Just like occurs with John Hurt in 1979. (sorry... just had a mind fart on character name...hahaha) What emerges from the dead Jockey, is in fact the "proto" Xeno, which either then sets about laying Eggs and bide its time on the dead world, or (for those who absolutely hate the "Queen" idea) transforms the URNS (because they are the ONLY other things containing organic material on LV426). But who knows.. there has to be an obvious connection between the imagery of the rows of URNS and the rows of the future leathery egg sacks. Oh.. in case I forgot to mention it.. The Shaw "Squidbilly" is the "proto" forerunner of the FACEHUGGER. Sorry for the ramble. Time to go.

ShinobiX9X

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:17 AM
At snorkel, thinking about it now, the red scanners were in narrow corridors of that shape, same shape then, but way too smal to be the derelict i think now

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMar-29-2012 10:24 AM
why small, can't the derelict have multiple floors like any other vessel?!?, the basic shape of the 3D scan shown on the bridge of the prometheus when the crew are in the tunnels of the temple has the same basic shape of the derelict

Hugh

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:46 AM
Ridley says in the interview "How did the eggs get on the ship?". Although it seems the eggs were underground (I always thought they were on the ship myself, until someone brought up the point of the sheer size of the cavern), Ridley does say this in the interview with Empire. I think I read it before somewhere else too. Also I'm pretty sure the urns are in the Temple, not aboard the SJ spacecraft.

Kalaghan

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 10:54 AM
By saying this Hugh, we have to admit that architectures in the spaceship and in the temple are the same... When we see these tunnels, they don't have any "gigeresk" strutures. My opinion is that the tunnel which have "smooth" design are directly linked to a room of the spaceship. Ans urns are in the ship... Tunnels are an access to the ship... Does anyone ever seen GRANDIZER here? :D

Knorbuffel

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:02 AM
Listen, you guys want a 1-1 prequel to Alien. Looks like that not's going to happen. I personally don't give a damn. I simply want a good science fiction movie. I want a movie that tops 2001: a space odyssey, if that's possible (but I doubt it). No more, nor less.

Heustess

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:18 AM
@CanadaPhil Hum... - Poor personal hygiene - Lousy "cuisine" and... - How to bend over and say "ahhhhh" for the Germans. I know, I am the first to admit it, that's how I feel about my own people, but you forgot one thing: how we excel at electing racist idiots. But it's just as bad as in Canada, don't you expertise in : -Shooting and molesting engendered (or not) wild animals? -French kissing the arse of the US and the British? -Playing pussy cats by not intervening in Europe's affairs until Hitler threatened the world? -Being owned by a Alice in wonderland queen?

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:31 AM
Back for a bit... Geebus my head is starting to spin. hahahaha You guys got the image of temple and ship stuck in my head and then as I was flipping out of screens here, that one image of the Derelict exterior caught my eye... and then it made me think. Im not sure what its called, but Giger has a work of art that sort of shows the life cycle of the Xeno or whatever, that Ridley Scott sort of used a starting point for visual ideas in Alien. I think someone even showed it on this forum somewhere. In that print, surrounding it all it what is obviously the open legs of a woman with a beam or ray of something shooting from what would obviously be the crotch. This finally became apparent to me just now. .... The DERELICT twin boom shape is actually the open legs of a woman and at the center is the Jockey control chamber whatever, where something opens up and LIFE shoots forth from what was referred to as a telecope but can actually be something else. Look at the image of the Derelict closely on this very site... at the base of the twin booms is the same "seam" in the Giger print.. it actually kind of even looks like a zipper if you will that would open up! So, I always thought that the Giger art (which I never really paid attention to) was just an inspiration but is the premise actually returning to Gigers idea ((geez, what goes on that guys mind must truly be scary)) of well... geez, im not really sure what Giger's idea is...hahaha. But seriously though... The temple shape AND the Dereclit design are identical, and these shapes are clearly based on Gigers vision of it conforming to the legs of a females body and her ummm.. giney parts. Is this just simply... the artistic look that Ridley has stuck with, or is the whole premise now more of an idea of this being CLOSER to Gigers freaked out vision??? Man, this can get just nuts.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:32 AM
Whatever Heuss.. that discussion is dead.

darthmongo

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:44 AM
Theory does not equal fact. Therefore, your statement "the eggs on the Derelict are in fact Transformed URNS" is false.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:49 AM
There was more that was being discussed here Darthie... But it looks like we can put you down for the Its a Bioweapon thingee then? Anyway, back to my last entry... Sorry I dont know where it is now, but can someone post the artwork Im taking about. It was on this VERY site somewhere... Looks to done in black ink, on a solid white background.. Has was looks exactly like a sort of modern day jet pilot with an oxygen mask (lol!) and what are clearly eggs, face huggers, female spread legs, etc., etc.

finster1018

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:51 AM
Well, looking at the trailers, it appears that the Prometheus purposely crashed into the alien craft for what purpose...to keep it from traveling to Earth. So why would you sacrifice your ride home unless you knew that alien ship or derelict craft contained something that was dangerous to all the inhabitants of Earth? And what are the chances that the craft landed directly on top of the temple?....infinitesimal, even by Hollywood standards. So the eggs we saw seem to be in the bowels of the derelict craft and ampules are in the temple. So perhaps the temple is the source of the alien (depository) ... sort of like a facility that they built in Norway to house all the seeds of the world in case of doomsday event. And perhaps, the eggs in the bottom of the ship did come from the xeno that eminated from the engineer. Either way, I doubt we are talking about the same things (eggs and ampules) although one source may have originated from the other. My question is, if this is LV426, then why didn't the crew of the Nostromo find any wreckage of the Prometheus when they visited the derelict craft in Alien?

Corey

MemberOvomorphMar-29-2012 11:52 AM
I don't think the urns have anything to do with Alien eggs. It just seems weird that metal urn-like canisters can be turned into soft egg sacs. Something obviously laid those eggs in the ship. Whatever burst out of the Space Jockey laid the eggs, and then died. Perhaps the space Jockey knew what it was and created it to go after the humans when it was trying to get to earth, but the ship crashed before it could reach it's destination. But the Xeno itself was born after the face hugger planted the seed in the human. Whatever the face hugger implanted, it merged with the DNA of a human being and became the Xeno. That's my idea. I think whatever is in the urns evolves to different things depending on what type of life form it is. Thus creating different evolutions of species.
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