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Golic
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012I'm really not happy with the engineers resembling human beings. The thought that the SJ from the 79' film is just a shell or a suit really makes me nervous. Part of the appeal of Alien is the sense of mystery. I have a feeling that Prometheus is going to blow the lid off of the mystery and it just won't live up to the hype. I haven't been this excited to see a film ever but man I'm kind of worried. Anyone else feel this?
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craigamore
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012Not at all my friend...not at all. Ridley Scott has only three forays into sci-fi in his career. 'Alien', 'Bladerunner', and the 1984 Apple Computers super bowl commercial '1984' (considered, literally, to be the 'Citizen Kane' of commercials). They are all classics I have no probelm calling masterpieces, each in its own regard. I have absolute faith in what he will give us....for further elaboration as to why....check out my thread entitled 'Something Special'. I think it adequetly sums up and supports my position in this regard.
centaurian_slug
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012Agree with some of this.
I liked the SpaceJockey having "grown out of the chair": bio-ship is an organism & it grows it's pilot, or a pilot grows the ship :)
it just looks so mysterious, bizarre, and is very ... alien, with more body horror.
Don't like the "it's a suit" idea.
perhaps a halfway house is that the SJ grows into the ship or vica versa.
The rest, i'm more excited to see this film than not. Hopefully it won't be a simple 'setup' of the alien derelict, and i am excited to see what ideas they come up with.
Perhaps having enjoyed 33 years of SJ mystery is enough :)
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012I like what you wrote Golic but I still feel a strong sense of faith in the man with regard to the material at hand. I don't feel, with all due respect, that he will deliver a product which just won't live up to the hype.
Golic
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012I hear you, I read your post earlier. Not that the film compares with at all or will compare, but do you remember in Star Wars Episode 1 when they revealed the midichloreans (spelling) ? I just don't need that kind of moment in this film. And I really do want to emphasize I'm have been obsessing over this film since I first starting seeing leaked photos over the summer. My friends are getting kind of annoyed actually. If this film doesn't deliver I'm going to swear off movies and move to a mountain and live in a tree. Alien is with out a doubt my favorite favorite film... ever.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012I get ya man, and I agree, I don't even want to consider it's a possibility though.
Golic
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012And yeah maybe the use of the word "hype" is a little much. Scott has delivered some fantastic stuff. Guess I don't want to get my hopes up. That's all. I do have a feeling that we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg in the trailer. June couldn't feel further away.
Golic
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012And yeah maybe the use of the word "hype" is a little much. Scott has delivered some fantastic stuff. Guess I don't want to get my hopes up. That's all. I do have a feeling that we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg in the trailer. June couldn't feel further away.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012believe
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012Damn Funny man, at this moment I just sent a request to BH for the ability to be activated.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012as soon as I can I will guys. promise. if I don't get to it by tonight Rick Or Ripley 8 Or BugHunter himself will for you I am sure.
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012Actually that would be the simplest fix is for us regular members to be able to delete our own posts.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/19/20121st of all BioMechanic
You are the furthest thing to me from
"us regular members"
You are So Special !
So Special,
I gotsta have some of your,
Attention.
Give it to me.
I even went out and got you a Tank !
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1biotank.jpg[/img]
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012Nothing wrong with regular members we are the grunts down in the trenches : )
Got anything in an M1 Abrams?
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/19/2012lol M1 Abrams! I would take Iron Man's day job, any day of the week man !!!
The High Priest
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012Golic, yeah I have been endlessly banging on about the very same thing since Scott announced the SJ in Alien was a "suit". I am uber excited about seeing this movie, however the whole suit idea is like something that Lucas would do. For me I adored the fact that the discovered Jockey was so "unhuman like" and resembled some unimaginable lifeform. To find out it is a suit really "Lucased" me out. In fact I am incredibly surprised that more people on this forum have not erupted about this crucial worrying point. Let's be honest the SJ suits behind Noomi in that shot, the boots are terrible, I expected the SJ legform to be really bizzare, kind of like much of the fan art interpretations........worrying.
walterhiller
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012those aren't sj.
sj looks like an sj. there's a scene where they found an sj skull. it's not human looking. it had suture marks, so it's a skull, not a helmet.
hope that clears it up.
SoX2000
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012@walterhiller
I believe what they find is a helmet from the suit so the SJ could be humanoid in appearance. But putting that argument aside for a moment, there's something I don't understand.
Perhaps you can explain to me why suture marks proves its a skull? I just don't get that argument.
db73
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012"[b]Part of the appeal of Alien is the sense of mystery. I have a feeling that Prometheus is going to blow the lid off of the mystery and it just won't live up to the hype. I haven't been this excited to see a film ever but man I'm kind of worried. Anyone else feel this?[/b]"
I'm with you on this 100% I've been thinking about this myself. Part of the enduring quality of Alien, apart from the fact that it was such a good film, comes from the mysteries in the film - what was thing in the chair, what was the derelict & why did it have all those eggs in there covered by a blue mist/laser? How did Ash/the company know all about this?
I guess we're hoping for a lot of answers in Prometheus. But will we be happy when we get them? And one way or another how will this change the way we view the original? Part of me wants to keep the mystery in tact but there's another part hungry to satisfy curiosity!! ...... which could be what Prometheus is all about in a nutshell!! The Human compulsion .... and how it usually gets us up s**t street without a paddle!!!
Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/20/2012Regards the suture marks on the skull/helmet...
[b]SKULL[/b]
Suture marks are found on bones. Skulls are bone, this is the basis of those arguing its a skull. Add to this the fact that it looks different to the Space Jockey head in Alien, which had no suture marks, but looked like molted, mummified flesh.
[b]HELMET[/b]
Because the Space Jockeys supposedly use biomechanical technology, helmet enthusiasts argue its a biomechanical helmet possibly made of bone that something else wears (most presume the big blue guy).
Personally I believe its a skull, because despite their biomechanical fetish I can't imagine an advanced race wearing a helmet made of bone.
Apollo
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012I have to agree with SnorkelBottom. An advanced race with the capabilty to possibly create life, terraform planets supposedly and travel the far reaches of space to then use bone for helmets just doesnt add up at all. That is like cavemen with their clubs and stuff but have the knowledge ti travel the universe... something not right there but who knows hey.
Mentos
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012[b]@Snork[/b] You're 100% correct, the lines on the skull where the plates fuse give it away.
SoX2000
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012@snorkelbottom
I see. Thanks for the clarification.
I guess time will tell who's right. What convinces me most that it is a helmet is the screen cap of the cannon in the trailer. The top part of the chair seems to have what looks like the Space Jockey head/helmet that is opened up, and when closed (to form the helmet) this would form the suture marks we're talking about. Also what adds weight is SRSs remark that the SJ in Alien is meant to be a suit. Although to be honest I'm taking that from other posts. Where does SRS say that is is a suit? on the commentary or in making of documentary?
From what I've gleaned from Google searches is that suture marks are indeed found on bone in skulls as you say but are not purely restricted to being found on bone.
SoX2000
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012Applying Occams Razor to this question I would come up with its a skull. But I hope Occams Razor is wrong on this one ;) Coz it'd prove me wrong - lol.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012I agree,
Plus, Archeologists don't stand around medical tables to look at and examine Helmets!
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