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pjr
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012Speaking of the shape of the derelict, while it's fantastic looking, it flies in the face (no pun intended) of aerodynamics! Maybe they are so far advanced technologically they can easily overcome the laws of physics and just be very artistic with their designs.
Jockey2016
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012Aerodynamics only applies if they're in an atmosphere, and if the ship is designed to use its own shape to hold it up. This ship clearly relies solely on its own propulsion to keep it up when in an atmosphere. At that point, it could be a flying cube and it wouldn't make any difference. That, and it no doubt spends 99.99% of its time in a vacuum, where shape makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.
Our airplanes stay in the air because of the wings, not the engines. The engines merely [i]allow[/i] the wings to do what they do by giving the plane speed. The aerodynamic shape makes the engines more efficient by reducing drag.
Bear in mind that the ship apparently uses some kind of gravity drive, since there's no external indications of primitive rocket propulsion like the humans are still using at the time.
That brings up the question I mentioned in another thread.. we don't even know which end of the ship is the front, much less how it flies! :)
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012I believe Giger addresses this, hold 1 second here...co-alting... Yes. the best we know is that he made it in the shape of and in the spirit of some other living Alien creature !!!
[url=http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/Derelict.html]GigerOnDerelict[/url]
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012oh, and if you explore my link properly you will discover it is similar to his painting "Necronomicon #5" and the "creature" I refer to is an "Internecivus Raptus".
Gehirn
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012Even the design of the ship makes it look like you could spread its legs.
If you can't have sex with it, it ain't Gigers'! LOL
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012I hope I did not come across as being arrogant about it BIomechanic, I just wanted to display for everyone what I discovered when I asked myself that same question a long time ago...
Great thread man.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012"Awesome",
& of course,
Spoken Like Eddy Murphy as "Bowfinger",
In The Film, "Bowfiinger".
attack1441
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012The Derelict has many hidden connections in the old work of Giger. Besides the Illuminati connection, there are many other examples where the Derelict is portrayed in a sort of an unexpected/obscure way. For example, in Giger's painting "Vlad Tepes", the infamous character is portrayed to the right, almost "nailed" to the head from a certain figure to the left, which appears much more malignant than Tepes himself. The latter figure is controlled by a central phallus-woman, with a huge black cross which emanates from the mouth of a disfigured baby, which has the Derelict close to its mouth. It is really tiny and you need to find a high resolution print of "Vlad Tepes" to see it, but it's there. Makes me wonder who/what the heck is that figure to the left of Vlad. Go figure.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012GREAT INFO...MY HEAD IS SPINNING FROM THE "ATTACK1441".
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Alejandro Perez Acosta
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012@Biomechanic Hi, your comparison is interesting. Is interesting also why so many Egyptian influence in the argument and the artwork of Alien in general. Probably exists a discussion about it.
walterhiller
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012what relation does it have to the free mason compass in particular? all compasses have that shape. *facepalm*
another guy trying to be "insightful" sigh...
and there's no air in space so why would it need to be aerodynamic? sigh x2...
Jonnyspur
MemberOvomorph01/15/2012Slightly off the point I know but isn't the round part of the derelict possibly detachable and it's that we see hovering over water falls in trailer.
RSAND
MemberOvomorph01/15/2012I don't know if this has been discussed but -considering Giger's sexual undertones to his art- , the top view of the derelict always reminded me of the female reproductive system. The main body being the uterus. The appendages being the fallopian tubes terminating into what look like ovaries. That would also fall in line with the ship housing the potential for life in the Alien Eggs.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/15/2012so it turns out the derelict is just basically a big you know what waiting to get you know what'd !!!
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/a1aChalezea1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/benray.jpg[/img]
Chumbrother
MemberOvomorph01/15/2012Excellent work ya'll cant get enough.THanks BIo- for handling that walter beyatch... sincerly
.ChumB.
20thcenturybuick
MemberOvomorph01/16/2012yeah the ship is not aerodynamic but do spaceships need to be aerodynamic? i mean sure airplanes do but not space ships
RSAND
MemberOvomorph01/17/2012Spacecraft only have to possess aerodynamic properties if they enter an atmosphere such as the Shuttle did.
Science Fiction takes great pains to avoid this. An airplane uses control surfaces such as ailerons for rolling, rudders for yawing and elevators to pitch. A spacecraft uses reaction control thrusters for the same maneuvers. There is no need for it to even remotely look like an aircraft. A classic example is the Apollo Lunar Module.
Another thing SciFi always gets wrong is firing thrusters in the direction of orbit to break orbit and enter a planet's atmosphere. All that will do is put you in a higher orbit. To break orbit, you have to retro-fire.
Hope that helps.
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