Why Do We Assume Human to Alien Mutation?

of course there are no proof that start from the "goo" thing from the comic con video , but we are not sure its goo ( on david finger and inside the helmet of a dyng human ). Also there are many shoots on people in cryosleep or being exhaminated ...then this thing of the black eyes from the trailer . But of course can be all fake or wrongly interpretated . also the jars with inside a green or grey goo may lead to dna speculation .

Its merely a theory. If you trawl back through some of the older topics on this site, I think you'll find the ideas inception. Its a cool theory though :)

There was also the one leaked screenshot from the comic con footage (a weird looking thing with long legs) that some have speculated is a transformed, or partially transformed Charlize Theron. I don't really know what it is, it's hard to tell, imho it looks somewhat like the supposedly leaked concept art showing the Jockey under the suit. A tall, bendy-legged, humanoid deer thing... If that's the case it could be Theron transforming into a Jockey, or just a Jockey without a suit. Then a lot of the transformation talk would just be us fans spit-balling. Still, I think the talk about the black eyes is what's getting people thinking about this theory again. Dark eyes=infected sort of thing. And chestbursting is too predictable, Facehuggers aren’t in the movie. Plus we've seen that all before. Even if morphing is included it has to be much more complicated. . It’d work ok the first time when we don't know something's going to happen. Like the chestburster scene in Alien. A couple times within a film maybe, but that’s it. Too many chestbursts/transformations would start to lose effect. And we’d run out of movie time/characters if everyone met their end that way. Also sounding like a number of crew members were seen with black eyes, leading me to believe not all would undergo a transformation process, at least not at the same rate. We'd know beforehand who’s going to change by their eyes, or at least catch on very quickly and it'll be predictable. Something more complicated than carrying the xeno has got to be going on with the black eyes. At least eventually. My gut tells me they're possessed, and possibly under control by the Jockies, but I can't say for sure that it doesn't mean they aren't also "infected" in another way. If Xenos, or a proto-xeno are in this: a slower grotesque transformation might shake things up a little, but it's the same thing ultimately, and there would have to be more to it. Otherwise it’s too much of a retread: crewmember gets infected, and produces alien. Only in a different way. It wouldn’t fly the whole movie imho. There has to be more if something like this happens. I think this film will focus heavily on androids/technology, or “robots” this go around (Lindelof hinted as much). Maybe even some backstory about how the company developed them. Man’s creation. Made in our own image. We are there gods and engineers. We're playing god... It would have been quite an accomplishment when they were made. Sweat like humans, behave mainly like humans. But they're programmable. Able to be modified. Designed to serve us or to have a semblance of life of their own? I would even venture a guess that androids have just been created or are top secret in Prometheus' timeline. And that they still rely on a lot of human bio material to create them, at least one of them. There’s probably multiple reasons there will be more than one synthetic in Prometheus, but we don’t know for sure yet. I predict one will be more like a cyborg, one more like an android. Instead of the obvious one good, one working for the company idea. Think of the cyborg as a proto-android, that may not know they’re part synthetic ( like Blade Runner director’s cut) only this will take a more front and center place in the end of the movie. This leads to questions about gods and playing god, creators and engineers, terra formers and designers. World builders, and spacefarers. Freewill, and questions about life in the case of the “robots”. And particularly, if characters are controlled/possessed by the the telepathic powers of the Jocky.

i can just add 3 things about your interesting thoughts 1) Ridley will do a prequel to Bladerunner too , so i think he will not dig too deeply into replicants questions ... otherwise he will invade bladerunner fields . 2) i cant stand the "possession" things in any kind of sauce ... its something that dont scare me and i hope we will not fail in the psychological/entity triller , i want deep pure horror 3) if we go too much in the creation phisolopy , in the replicants humanity , in the scientific geez department i FEAR that the movie will become a script exercise without any kind of soul ..a bit like Inception and Gattaca ( 2 movie with good reviews but that i hate )

The Alien in the first movie does have human form so it can be thought that the Alien came from something, a a cross mix of something..which made it a pretty hostile organism , one that can not be controlled mentally or through physical taming.

I know which pictures you're talking about. This one (just one): [img]http://www.xenotron.com/prom-1.jpg[/img] There's no mutation going on in that picture. It's a half-naked girl falling forward. That's it. Her knees are in front of her feet and her arms are getting ready to break her fall. Whoever it is, is probably this person: [img]http://www.xenotron.com/prom-2.jpg[/img] Which looks to be Noomi Rapace (I recognize those breasts). The description of black eyes from Chris didn't mention anyone with black eyes, just black eyes in general. That does not mean anyone mutates. Even if a human has black eyes, that could imply other things, like mind-control. So, I beg the question again, why do we assume that someone mutates? I propose that no one mutates in the movie and that's not what the film is about. The only time I read about mutation is on this board. I think people are going with rumors after one person's erroneous interpretation of a picture rather than facts. Let's let go of the hype and hysteria and take a step back at what we know for certain without running with hair-brained, unsupported ideas.

Hey its to get fun ...everyone get fun tryng to immagine whay will happen ... otherwise we wait 6 months playng cards ... we have no facts !! and everything can be erroneous ! i never endorsed the mutation thing but if the people see it what is wrong ?? we are not talking of science ..is a movie .

All we know that is fact so far is [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/articles/4]This[/url] The pics from comic con The current Synopsis and the recently deleted trailer comments from Chris. everything else is speculation and/or theory.

Exactly, which is why I'm trying to get the whole mutation theory out of everyone's heads by exposing it for what it is: just a dumb theory with no evidence backing it up. I want us to move on from it so we can clear our minds for a more probable plot to the story.

All I know and All I only really wanted to know till I see the film, is that one.... THERE ARE XENOS, and two Space Jockeys

then xenotron do your plot and we will see who goes more close to the truth :) im curious to read yours :) predalien ..why 2 space jockeys :D and not 3 ?? :D

What if they, the humans are tricked into going there by the Jockey's? A signal is sent or something is left there to be found for the humans?

Hey XT, My reasoning for the transformation is the remarkable semblances humans and the Xenos have. Giger incorporated the upper front portion of a human skull into the original alien skull. You can see the eye sockets thru the translucent skin. Also the Alien should be just as much alien to us as we are to it. If the alien evolved in such a harsh environment as Ash said in the movie it would look nothing like us. The odds of it being exactly proportional to us (minus skulls size, and tail) is staggeringly impossible. Humans are remarkably fragile creatures its our ability to individually learn and manipulate our surroundings that makes us so deadly. Aliens on the other hand aren't fragile, they don't individually manipulate their environment and the learning, I believe would be genetic based over generations, but there are still to many semblances . Maybe opposite sides of the same coin? Just my opinion though. Regards, Rick

This is one of the coolist discussions. I have to say that it would be cool if the humans did mutate into the eggs. I mean ridley scott said that the creatures would do some pretty perverse things and that deleted scene in alien was pretty bizzare also keep in mind that ridley did mention that only the KEEN fan of alien wpuld know how this movie will tie into alien. I could be wrong though.

As far as perverse things go, I have a feeling it may be more along the lines of rape since the original Alien has rape as an underlying theme. I can go into detail if you like. Also, I don't really think that Alien DNA is literally in the movie. I think Scott was being figurative when he said that.

@Frantz I meant it like this 1. There are Xenos 2. Space jockeys!

Interesting stuff guys. Sorry about this long ass post, lots to get across but you'll find some of it amusing. Yeah, that's definitely not a mutated person or Jockey in that screenshot, but now that I look at it again I'm wondering what is actually happening. Is she falling over in pain? About to burst? I just think it's sounding more and more like we won't see Xenos in the classic sense. If we do end up seeing them in the movie. I'm still inclined to believe that they're somehow involved. That's one of the only reasons I entertained this theory and emerged from the shadows. I've been following it when I can, trying to make sense of it. Now I think it's very unlikely, and am glad to drop the subject from now on unless there's something solid. But it might be refreshing, new ,and different when it happens, and if executed right (new for the alien series thus far). It's not unprecedented because something similar happened in an unused script for Alien 3. And if Giler and Hill fed Ridley ideas about how to get around facehuggers/chestbursting it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. In the script that features Hicks and Bishop, with Ripley in a coma, the alien genetics/bioweapon are analyzed and altered so the eggs are miniaturized, releasing spores instead of huggers. As you can imagine a scientist breaks the stasis the miniature egg is kept in and a puff of spores is released. Almost all the aliens (all those at the main setting of the story) would have been spawned by infected people in a similar way. They should have just written in that they chestburst afterwards, but their skin peels off and they become a classic Xenomorph. Only, you didn't know when someone would burst and it was a little ridiculous because the change wouldn't occur so fast. They'd literally pop out of their skin and reveal a full grown xenomorph. I think if Ridley does anything at all like this the change will be much slower, and more realistic. Exlained by nanites like some have guess, instead of the facehugger spore being weaponized. We might see small tendons sprout instantly from someones back, but that's as far as Ridley would go. What those writers were doing was playing with the idea that the organism could morph any biological material to reproduce, an idea presented in the deleted scenes of Alien. They made it able to do this on a further microscopic level by miniaturizing the eggs/ facehugger spores or embryos, in an attempt to weaponize it for their own purposes. So the idea is the organism uses ALL the organic material and tissue to fully mature within the person. Can't remember if the queen alien in that script layed eggs that produce spores but i think it did. The point is, I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley took some advice on how to get a new spin on the alien, so that something resembling this happens at some point in the film. Only we would work our way forward seeing the creature pick up a new life cycle, possibly morphing things first. Or collecting victims to morph like in the deleted scenes, infecting with its tail, like an ovipositor. I think Xenos are in it in some capacity, and the goo is involved, but that we wont see the alien in its final form until the film concludes. I'm wondering if the creature starts out biomechanical or not and if they'll go into how the jockeys create this stage of the bioweapon. I think if the creature's explained it will look/act different at first. Rick is on to something about the creature retaining characteristics. All the stuff about the skull showing through was because it infected Cain imo. I think someone said that on the commentary, but I could be wrong. Also people say the sexual stuff the alien supposedly did was because of Cain's memories/emotions. So, they could have instilled the series and the creature from the start with inter-generational adabtability. Something about it changing over generations, and gaining characteristics from other lifeforms through mutations within the film, depending on what it originated from (we see this in Alien 3 big time) could figure prominently. That's why it could start out radically different. With a whole different life cycle... and I'm totally hoping an android or jockey gets hit with the bioweapon. I think the goo infects something in a way the Jockies didn't intend it to and that unleashes something worse on them. That's why I was saying one android may be semi-organic, moreso than the other, like the character in Terminator Salvation. The body would be synthetic, retaining some organs, and with only a partial cybertronic- artificial brain. Weyland company perhaps tested on this individual and other humans to convert to or create synthetics, specifically their android lines cybertronic mind, then ruthlessly wiped her memories afterwards to prevent the secret from getting out. And all the other stuff about androids fits then. And why Ridley is so coy when he says there may be a couple "robots" instead of androids or synthetics, or even replicants. It's strange he doesn't call them androids or synthetics. They aren't simple robots if you know anything about what an android is vs. a cyborg. He wouldn't call his replicants just "robots" unless he was covering something. Even though that may be his sci-fi term specific to blade runner. "Robot" could imply cyborg, android/synthetic, replicant, a non-humanoid robot etc... It's a hint to the first Alien, and that the subject matter will be synthetic heavy. I think in Alien it was the first time those space truckers came across a synthetic, and they don't realise just how human-like the thing is so they proclaim it a "robot". This may be more true in Ash's case, but may or may not be the case with the second "robot" in Prometheus. A lot of this is why people are beginning to speculate the movie will have loose bladerunner ties. Ridley has always imagined the two movies sharing the same universe, and if Prometheus is set in that universe... and a Bladerunner sequel is being planned. Well then I wouldn't put it past Ridley to include some ties. Maybe Weyland wound up with a replicant to get the ball rolling on reverse engineering for their own A.I. If the creature starts organic, it could pick up some of it's biomechanical traits from the cyborg as it replicates the synthetic material joined to bio material. Just something that might work however the xeno creatures function. If, that's a big if, the derelict-looking ship described in the Prometheus trailer is in fact the derelict. Then, what is said about there being a shot of an empty egg silo could be important.