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Prometheus Ending

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Hudson25

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
Thought this might be an interesting topic to hash out. I have my own ideas of what's going to happen, but would love to hear other people's theories as to what they think will happen at the end of this movie. How it will tie to "Alien" and if it leads into a rumored sequel we've heard about, what will happen to set that one up? From what I’ve been hearing the final act will venture into “Alien” territory which leads me to think that we will see how the Derelict ship arrives on LV-426 and provide closure as to what happens to the Space Jockey. I’m also thinking that they will have some survivors from this one continue on in a sequel. However, will the survivors meet up with new human characters or will they be stranded on an Alien world to struggle for their survival? I’m not sure, but I would have to think if they do a sequel, new characters will be introduced. What are your thoughts?
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Theusprom

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
It has already been stated by Damon Lindelof that the ending of Prometheus will not be the start of Alien. The Space Jockey found in Alien was fossilised (IE millions of years old), and Prometheus is set 30 years before Alien.It must be another Jockey that the story of Prometheus is about. We already know that some of Prometheus is set millions of years in the past, so maybe that is where the Space Jockey on LV-426 will be wrote into the story.Either that, or god forbid, it has time travel in it.

Mr.J

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
If only they could start after Aliens and rewrite the story from there.

Hudson25

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
Theusprom, I never thought about it like that. I guess it would probably be better to tell a story about a different Space Jockey(s) and not so much about that particular one we see in the Derelict Ship. That would keep the mysterious aspect of his arrival there in tact. The audience will be able to make the connection to that particular Jockey once they see how the events in Prometheus unfold and their connection to the Alien creature itself. I did wonder if they tried to explain what happened to the fossilized Space Jockey, how they could account for the level of decay in just 30 years time? I think your point sounds more plausible.

Theusprom

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
Yeah, I do hope they tie the Jockey,from Alien, into the story somehow. From what I've been picking up, they find something on earth which leads them to the Engineer (s), wake him/them up, have a chat, piss him/them off and then it all kicks off.I think the end of the second movie, if they make it, will lead more into Alien. Can't wait :)

draekus

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
Well hopefully this first movie lives up to our expectations AND does well enough at the box office to warrant a sequel. That's a hard combo to pull-off.

Hudson25

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
Getting back on topic here, I think some unique twists are going to be taken at the end of the film. I can't help but think that several members of the expedition are going to come to a grisly end by means of being killed and/or transformed by the material held within the urns/capsules. I wonder if they will become the new xenomorphs that have been mentioned? I think Charlize Theron's character Vickers won't live to see the end, seeing that she was originally intended to be a throw-away character in the early script by Lindelof but has since been expanded more to accomodate her high-profile status. Still, should be interesting to see what she is about and if she has a pivotal part in the end if she makes it that long. Another thing I would like to see is the David character somehow surviving the mission and living to report his findings back to the Company. Maybe this is where Guy Pearce's role will come in. It doesn't appear from the pics we have seen so far that he is part of the expedition that makes contact with the Space Jockeys. Perhaps he is affiliated with the Company and plays more of a political figure rather than an explorer/scientist. Well those are some of my theories bouncing around in my head at this point. Anybody care to share what they think is going to happen?

Chris

AdminEngineer08/10/2011
A lot of people are guessing that some of the crew are going to "transform" into something. It is an interresting hypothesis, but could the ALIEN really be just a human science project? It will be interresting to see how this all plays out.
Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4

Rudy

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
what i want to know: i wonder what happened to the rest of the crew. like Lambert said and now so do i. i would love to see that happen in the next sequel: Prometheus II. should be a fun mystery.

arrgy

MemberOvomorph08/10/2011
Simple. there was no rest of the crew. The Space Jockey was it, I always that it was an odd comment by Lambert to make. Then again Lambert was weird transsexual gender based character to begin with. I still believe the ship was a warship that loves to drop little eggies on unuspecting planets to wipe out the population but leave the technology in tact. This ship just happened to let an eggie loose and it killed the Jockey which forced the ship to crash. Pretty simple. What isn't simple.....How the heck did the Company know?!? If that question isn't answered....my life will have no meaning.

Ruhaniya

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph08/10/2011
"ya- rrright!?"

Neurion

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph08/11/2011
Hahaha…Ruhaniya, hilarious frakin’…is wit singular your again once. All this speculation about Weyland-Yutani knowing about the ALIEN organism prior to events or ALIEN and ALIENS is pretty interesting. However, we cannot forget the words of that nasty lookin’ company she-man in ALIENS, “and found something never recorded once in over 300 surveyed worlds. ...“ Of course she may have been lying to Ripley…or ignorant to the Company’s more clandestine outer spatial doings. Also…Ridley Scott may not even bother adhering to elements of “JAMES CAMERON’S” sequel. So what do you “Star Gazers” think…is that a valid point? ~Neurion

arrgy

MemberOvomorph08/11/2011
There is no doubt that the company knew about the derlict ship and the Alien before the Nostromo got there. Special Order 937 EMERGENCY COMMAND OVERRIDE 100375 NOSTROMO REROUTED TO NEW CO-ORDINATES. INVESTIGATE NEW LIFE-FORM. GATHER SPECIMEN. PRIORITY ONE INSURE RETURN OF ORGANISM FOR ANALYSIS. ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS SECONDARY. CREW EXPENDABLE. ======================= So there is no doubt that the Nostromo was sent by the company to get the Alien. The order implies that the company knew what the Alien was and what it could do. The question that remains is HOW did the company know?

Neurion

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph08/12/2011
Arrgy, I don’t mean to be a nit-picky jerk, but Special Order actually stated: “ Investigate life form.” Not NEW life form. I suppose it probably doesn’t matter too much, except that your post strongly suggested that the company “knew what the Alien was and what it could do.” And that may be the case…to be further illustrated in PROMETHEUS. However, I’ve never been in that camp…all the way back to 1979, as I watched ALIEN in terror…when I was twelve. There is no doubt that the company knew that they were sending the Nostromo and crew to investigate and gather an alien life form specimen…for further analysis. That much is obvious. What is NOT obvious, is whether or not the company had prior knowledge of the hostile nature of the Alien organism. Of course, ALIENS and ALIEN 3 go out of their way to portray Weyland-Yutani as money grubbing, heartless, corporate bastards, which is true…as Special Order 937 illustrates and confirms. But, way back in 1979, I think that Dan O’Bannon, Ron Shusett Ridley Scott, David Giler, and Gordon Carroll, wanted audiences to believe that the company picked up a signal or message from outer space…of unknown origin…and intent. No details…manifested in 12 seconds of arcane extra-terrestrial sounds. It is reasonable to assume that interstellar space travel is still a fairly new experience for mankind in the 2100s A.D. This may have been a “first contact” potential or an “encounter of the second kind” for humanity. So, obviously the company would have been quite interested in investigating such a mysterious and potentially profitable discovery. If the PROMETHEUS film does end up depicting that the company had foreknowledge of the Alien’s hostile and deadly nature, I think it will be a kind of narrative cheat…or retroactive story patch. Not too dissimilar to George Lucas’ retroactive, double flippo, bullshite story patch in RETURN OF THE JEDI. When we all found out that Darth Vader didn’t actually “MURDER” Luke’s Jedi dad, he actually is his father.......from a certain point of view? What a bunch of crap that was. I remember sitting in the theatre on opening day thinking…WTF?...Oh you did not just do that with STAR WARS…George. I felt like we were ripped off...and then began to realize the crappy direction STAR WARS was headed. Anyways, what do you guys think? ~Neurion

Ruhaniya

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph08/12/2011
"ya- rrright!?"

Ruhaniya

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph08/12/2011
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drogie21

MemberOvomorph08/12/2011
Hi Guys, I also asked a similar question Hudson25. PROMETHEUS is going to be what they have said.....A STAND ALONE FILM. We might not even find out what happened the derlict ship on LV - 426. Everthing is up in the air at the moment so its kind of hard to know what will be explained. Like everyone am sure, you would like if Ridley Scott put in an image, a scene or converstaion that might explain what happened. OR you might just see something yourself in the film that will kick start your imagination and clear the whole thing up. At the end of the day this is about the SPACE JOCKEYS. We've seen from behind the scene shots they are back in ALIEN STYLE territory. They have to meet some big ass SPACE JOCKEY!!!!!! I hope ;) Am not sure what discussion i saw it in or where i read it but i remember it said that crew might all die. Plenty to speculate on that i know but NOT 100% sure about that ha ha. It's great to see so many people thinking about this film. Loads of ideas and thoughts. Keep it up.

Grik

MemberOvomorph08/12/2011
For some reason I think that Weyland- Yutani has no knowledge of the alien before Alien the film but some of Earth's governments do. I also think that a select few leaders on Earth will have prior knowledge of the space jockeys too.

Hudson25

MemberOvomorph08/12/2011
I agree with you Grik, they are saying that there will be an archeological dig in the beginning of Prometheus which will uncover the Alien DNA that leads the team to seek out the Space Jockeys. So I have to imagine the Company or Weyland Corp. at this point in time will have to know a little bit about them prior to the events of the first Alien movie. To respond to drogie21's comment on everyone dying, I think members of the crew will survive/exist by the end of this installment I'm just not sure how human some of them will be. With Giger on board for this production, who knows what sort of bizarre, perverse imagery they may go for this time out. In another thread talking about subverting Charlize Theron's beauty in this movie, I couldn't help but let my mind wander at the very thought that her character and others could be radically altered or changed into servant creatures to the Space Jockeys themselves. Maybe some kind of bio-mechanical humanoid similar to a borg or something weird like that. That would be mind tripping to see and could possibly lend credence to the rumor floating around that some very perverse things are going to happen in this movie. Again I'm just speculating on these ideas, but man that would be a radical departure from what we know as the Alien universe. Giger has a whole back catalogue of designs Ridley can choose from, I'm wondering if they may do something else inspired by his crazy art. lol

Theusprom

MemberOvomorph08/12/2011
[quote]I don’t mean to be a nit-picky jerk, but Special Order actually stated: “ Investigate life form.” Not NEW life form. I suppose it probably doesn’t matter too much, except that your post strongly suggested that the company “knew what the Alien was and what it could do.” And that may be the case…to be further illustrated in PROMETHEUS. However, I’ve never been in that camp…all the way back to 1979, as I watched ALIEN in terror…when I was twelve. There is no doubt that the company knew that they were sending the Nostromo and crew to investigate and gather an alien life form specimen…for further analysis. That much is obvious. What is NOT obvious, is whether or not the company had prior knowledge of the hostile nature of the Alien organism. Of course, ALIENS and ALIEN 3 go out of their way to portray Weyland-Yutani as money grubbing, heartless, corporate bastards, which is true…as Special Order 937 illustrates and confirms. But, way back in 1979, I think that Dan O’Bannon, Ron Shusett Ridley Scott, David Giler, and Gordon Carroll, wanted audiences to believe that the company picked up a signal or message from outer space…of unknown origin…and intent. No details…manifested in 12 seconds of arcane extra-terrestrial sounds. [/quote] Ok then this conversation must mean that Ash actually "met" the Alien? Ripley: Ash, can you hear me? Ash? Ash: [speaking in an electronic, distorted voice] Yes, I can hear you. Ripley: What was your special order? Ash: You read it. I thought it was clear. Ripley: What was it? Ash: Bring back life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded. Parker: The damn company. What about our lives, you son of a bitch? Ash: I repeat, all other priorities are rescinded. Ripley: How do we kill it Ash? There's gotta be a way of killing it. How? How do we do it? Ash: You can't. Parker: That's bullshit. Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. Lambert: You admire it. Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality. Parker: Look, I am... I've heard enough of this, and I'm asking you to pull the plug. Ash: [Ripley goes to disconnect Ash, who interrupts] Last word. Ripley: What? Ash: I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies. How else would he know these things, unless the company already knew of the xeno?Why did he replace the science officer just beofre they were due to leave earth?Of course the company knew of the xeno and I am sure this is the question Scott referred to recently(about what hasn't been asked about Alien) and is one of the motives of Prometheus - How did we know about the xenos?

Neurion

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph08/12/2011
Dear Theusprom, As I expressed in my previous post, it is obvious that the company knew about the Space Jockey’s signal/message prior to the Nostromo departing from Thedus...with it’s new replacement, android, science officer. Once again, it is NOT a question of whether or not the company and Ash knew about the twelve second, extra-terrestrial message…THEY DID! The question is: WHAT EXACTLY DID THE COMPANY GLEAN OR EXTRAPOLATE FROM THE STRANGE AND APPARENTLY INDECYPHERABLE ALIEN TRANSMISSION? According to the original ALIEN film, we the viewer, can assume that after Ash had time to study at least the Facehugger, and perhaps even the behavior of the Chestburster and the adult Alien, he secretly communicated his findings to the company. Who in turn responded to him with their intentions and further orders for him to carry out. It could be that Special Order 937 was issued prior to Ash’s departure from Thedus…or after the crew encountered the Alien organism after entering the Derelict spacecraft. In either case, I don’t think that the company was privy to the HOSTILE NATURE of the Alien organism. They just knew they had picked up the transmission/SOS/warning of unknown and probably extra-terrestrial origin. So, like any good businessmen, Weyland-Yutani saw a potentially profitable and unprecedented discovery too tempting to pass up…even at the expense of the human lives serving aboard the Nostromo. Thus, they dispatched Ash, a true “company man” or company android asset. The bottom line is, the Nostromo must have been the closest company vessel available to investigate the source of the transmission. Otherwise, why would they send a space tug crewed by “space truckers” to investigate a potentially intelligent alien life form…in lieu of a better equipped science team and vessel. I think that the company was on the dark in regard to the dangerous and deadly aspects of the Alien until Ash communicated it’s nature and behavior to them. Now, it could be that the new film PROMETHEUS will render everything I’ve just written above…as a bunch of hooey…by adding a newly written history that brings in new information that changes things. However, after following the ALIEN franchise for about 32 years, this is at least my personal take and understanding of these science fictional events. I hope and think that my understanding is accurate…at least as far as what Dan O’Bannon and Ridley Scott originally intended the audience to understand about the story…back in May of ’79. In the end, this is FICTION, and the filmmakers are free to do whatever they feel might be more entertaining and profitable from a 20th Century Fox/Weyland-Yutani perspective. What do you think? ~Neurion

Ruhaniya

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph08/12/2011
"ya- rrright!?"

Theusprom

MemberOvomorph08/13/2011
Dear Neurion, Of course alot of what you say could be the case, but also some of your statements are based on deduction and not fact.To me(imho), it is clear that the company knew of the Xeno's capabilities as a weapon(from Ash's comments).Is it in the novel where Ash meets the Alien?, I am not sure I might even be imagining it.(but Bishop definately does in Aliens and they ignore him because he is an android) Anyway, I think a big part of Prometheus movie (s) will explain the Derelict on LV-426 and how we knew of the existence of the Xeno, hope so anyway!!!

Thadus 12

MemberOvomorph08/13/2011
I agree the company already had data on the alien and knew exactly what it was capable of. Prometheus is going to give us the back story on how this 'data' was aquired.Perhaps the Prometheus crew manage to steal an alien sample and take it back to earth? Who knows? I believe Ridley Scott is the only man who could have Directed this film, Mr.Cameron, you stick to Terminators please!

draekus

MemberOvomorph08/15/2011
I have to say I agree with Neurion's take on the company's intent/knowledge prior to the Nostromo's arrival on LV-426. But We'll see what happens... Quote: "[i]I believe Ridley Scott is the only man who could have Directed this film, Mr.Cameron, you stick to Terminators please![/i]" Completely agree.

arrgy

MemberOvomorph08/16/2011
The entire core question to all the Alien films is...How did the company know of the existence of the Alien? What is very interesting is dialogue from the almost final Alien script, which is completely different from the final product: Revised Final 1978 Script RIPLEY What is Special Order 937. ASH You know I can't tell you that. RIPLEY Then there's not point in talking to you. Pull the plug. ASH Special Order 937 in essence asked me to direct the ship to the planet, investigate a life form, possibly hostile and bring it back for observation. With discretion, of course. RIPLEY Why. Why not tell us. ASH Would you have gone. PARKER It wasn't in the contract. ASH My very point. RIPLEY They wanted to investigate the Alien. No matter what happened to us. ASH That's unfair. Actually, you weren't mentioned in the order. LAMBERT Those bastards. And in an earlier script: [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oLPxM7_4Cf0/TLdTRngus3I/AAAAAAAABSQ/A3WZyt2bBW0/s400/picture014-6.jpg[/img] ASH See it from their point of view. They didn't know what the Alien is.

draekus

MemberOvomorph08/16/2011
The earlier script above puts a completely different spin on the movie. It indicates the Nostromo crew was sent out as guinea pigs for the Corp's weapon. This would mean that the corp is in control of the weapons to a certain degree. Which does not appear to be these case int he final script/film. Also, why would any corp send a group of guinea pigs to what will most likely be their deaths when those pigs are sitting on a s__tload of company assets (i.e.: the Nostromo ship and its cargo)? Why not send a less valuable crew/ship under the guise of a "top-secret research mission"? The tones in the earlier script do not jive with those of the final script/film. The final script/film makes it seem as if the company knew there was a potential alien asset on LV-426. I think its safe to assume that any company's procedure for dealing with new alien life forms would probably dictate general caution. (Hence Ash's conversation with Ripley noted in the post above.) But I don't think the company new the exact hostile details of the xenomorph as seen in "ALIEN". If they did, why not just directly tell Ash: "[i]as soon as a specimen and/or infected host is on board, FREEZE IT/HIM/HER![/i]". Why risk loosing the cargo and more importantly, the specimen? Its not like they can just sit there and say : [i]Hey we know exactly what this thing can do so let's let it just run around the ship and kill the crew if it wants to. I'm sure the last surviving crew member will leave the ship intact and on an auto-pilot course for Earth before he/she is murdered[/i]." Just my opinion...

Rick

MemberXenomorph08/16/2011
It could have been that other ships or even countries back on earth were picking up the same signal or it could have been relayed from a deep space satellite. Could have been that the Nostromo was the closest ship but, you know what that doesn't hunt either because they switched out science officers just before they set out so why not stop at LV-426 on the way to pick-up the payload instead of on the return trip? That causes for pause about the signal on the derelict. Does anyone know if the script says crew were also thrown together at the last minute as well? Why else would Ripley ask Dallas about Ash and if he's set out with him before. Maybe there's something behind the crew's DNA that the company may have wanted to see combined with the Alien DNA

Rick

MemberXenomorph08/16/2011
Ok so with that said. How does the company know? Obviously the signal I am sure there was other carrier data piggybacked on the SOS/Warning we are talking the Jockey's a supposed Engineering Race, so that begs the question why didn't they stop before picking up the payload? An Ore Processing Refinery and a billion tons of ore is a huge payload to possibly lose.

arrgy

MemberOvomorph08/16/2011
And that's the core question to ALL the Alien films...how did the company know what was on LV-426? They knew there was a speciem there. But if you look at it from the company point of view... Only long haul ships are going to travel those routes between M117 and Earth. As Parker says "this isn't a rescue ship" so the company knew that the Nostromo and her crew would be perfect for bringing the Alien back undetected. None of the crew have any combat experience, there really are no weapons, etc. It wouldn't make sense to divert Nostromo and her crew on the way out to M117 (or whatever that planet is) because you want to bring the creature back to Earth. Also, think about it...you really don't need a crew going out. You do need a crew coming back to protect the cargo in case something happens to the ship. You can let mother auto pilot the ship out, and it is possible that the entire crew were coming back to Earth after being out there for years and this was their first trip together. The one thing that bothered me was about having weapons. Dallas says before leaving the ship "break out the weapons" Then later they don't seem to have any except a cattle prod and a flame thrower.

arrgy

MemberOvomorph08/16/2011
Draekus- to answer your question about freezing the alien. The answer is simple. The alien would not look at Ash as threat or food, most likely the Alien would just ignore Ash and as long as Ash wasn't making any hostile move towards the Alien he could spend the rest of the trip home studying it. How it develops, how it hunts, its defenses, etc. Ash would then stay out of stasis for the rest of the trip home and study the Alien, and he most likely would find some way to either trap it after the crew died, or just keep it away from him. Ash could even download all the data he collected into mother he could deactivate himself, and mother could then divert the ship away from Earth to a place where the company would meet the ship and get the Alien. The most logical thing for Ash to do (if the company really wanted the Alien that badly), once he knew that the Alien was on board, would be to kill the crew himself immediately, but the company probably wanted Ash to study it.
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