Debunking Terminator Genisys Nexus Point!

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Written by Gavin17,704 Reads1 Comments2015-10-28 13:40:07

This summers Terminator Genisys, available to own on DVD and Blu-Ray November 10th, has divided fans, critics and general movie audiences with its convoluted use of time travel, which claims to have wiped from existence all previous events depicted in the last four Terminator movies. Although we have argued already in a previous article that a 2004 Judgment Day is unavoidable regardless of any actions taken beforehand, some fans of Terminator Genisys have been using the movies primary phrase of techno-babble, the “Nexus Point”, in defense of the movies narrative.

Terminator Genisys' “Nexus Point” - an event that affects and changes the timeline before and after it - is when the T-5000 attacks and Terminator-ifies John Connor into the T-3000. Fans of the movie and the writers Patrick Lussier and Laeta Kalogridis argue that this event causes the timeline before and after it to splinter into an alternate timeline. The argument stands as thus. Kyle Reese was to be sent back to the 1984 seen in the first Terminator movie, in this known timeline John Connor was killed in 2032 by the T-850 that is subsequently sent to 2004 to ensure his and Kate Brewsters survival. But because, John Connor is attacked by the T-5000, changing John's future it allegedly has an effect on the past, resulting in Kyle appearing in an alternate version of 1984 in which, for 10 years a T-800 and T-1000 have existed and in which Judgment Day will occur in 2017 courtesy of the Genisys app, developed by Miles Bennett Dysons son Danny.

Unfortunately the Nexus Point is logically unsound. Ignoring for a moment the fact that the Terminator franchise has always been set within a causal time loop of events, the whole idea of the “Nexus Point” is logically and technically unsound. John Connor becoming the T-3000 in 2029 only affects events from that point onwards. Thus John Connor would not have sent a reprogrammed T-800 back to 1994, meaning that Miles Bennett Dyson's work into reverse engineering the CPU from the T-800 destroyed in 1984 would have progressed unabated, resulting in a Judgment Day of August 29th, 1997 – 7 years before its original date of 24th July 2004. Starting the war against humankind earlier may prove advantageous to Skynet, but to maintain the events Skynet would need to develop the TDE and the T-5000 to maintain the causal, pre-destination time loop. None of this was explained or seen in the movie Terminator Genisys, because Lussier and Kalogridis didnt examine the timeline of events throughout the franchise.

The main problem with the “Nexus Point” is the theory that an event that occurs in the future can directly alter the past. Only through in-direct action, for example sending something or someone back in time from the future can events in the past be altered, as has been shown time and again throughout the franchise. It is highly possible that after attacking John Connor in 2029 that the T-5000 sent a T-1000 back in time to 1974 to terminate Sarah Connor when she was 9 years old, and that maybe John Connor, before he was completely terminator-ified, sent back a T-800 to protect and raise her. But such action would only result in the events from the first two Terminator movies from having never occurred, and because the second movie corrected the potential timeline changing events instigated because of events from the first movie, Judgment Day was not delayed but reset back to its original date of 2004, as argued in a previous article. Thus when John Connor, now as the T-3000, went back in time from 2029 to 2014 he would have appeared in a post apocalyptic future set four before the events seen in Terminator Salvation.

 

In short there is no “Nexus Point”, and the latter half of Terminator Genisys is an impossibility, that cannot happen within the confines of the Terrminator franchise. If Skydance Productions and Paramount Pictures really are serious about “learning from the fans” then they should take heed and treat Terminator Genisys in much the same way as Marvel Studios treats Ang Lee's 2003 Hulk movie, and set about producing a proper Terminator sequel that will conclude the story in a future war setting, as it should have been in the first place.

 

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XENOMORK

MemberNoobNov-02-2015 7:35 PM

The intersting flaw is..Kyle Reese. It does not seem to matter that Sara is saved 1984 or earlier by Pops. Destiny seems to be that Kyle ALWAYS comes back to impregnant Sara and create John. The movie only makes an error in one thing. Why do they go to younger Kyle at the end of the movie IF they believe that John is gone/destroyed and Genisys is gone? They do not explain why they are there making sure to protect Kyles mirror memory of Genisys. Isnt it all over? And as always---if its all over---none of them will be there - none of it happens because its all gone. Every movie in the Franchise always said INEVITABLE JUDGMENT DAY. But if they win, Kyle never goes back and the paradox is UNMANAGEABLE AND IMPOSSIBLE.

James Cameron did us the best service by ending the timeline and the Terminator chip but even if you love (AND ADORE AS I DO) T2 Judgment Day- wouldn't John Connor then disappear and blink entirely out of existence the second that Terminator was lowered into the steel ? No chip, no discovery, no parts, no skynet - if they had stopped it all and won, John would have never existed. In fact, because of T2- anything Sarah Connor did back in 1984 she would have never been in danger, never met Kyle as a time traveler, therefore no John, So even back then nobody postulated- hey ! wait a minute Eddie Furlong should have disappeared entirely and Sara- well she would not even have a memory past May 1984.

So- Terminator 3 got around all that and made it SOFTWARE and tied to Kates Air Force daddy. And T4 never got a sequel. Which may happen again to this T5--- no sequel - we do not know what they were thinking on Genisys as writers for sequels / TV shows with the post credit Matt Smith in the SECRET RED GLOBE ROOM (que the theremin music) so AGAIN ! - why did Sara and Kyle and Pops make sure to tell Kyle about Genisys is skynet -why did they not think Skynt was totally gone- there should have at least been a scene in the car headed for Kyles house where Pops says "hedge your bets folks...Skynet is inevitable - better tell little one to still tell you about Genisys to protect our  futures". Of course (shame on me using my own argument) they must have known because Pops did not disappear and neither did Kyle and again - no rescus of Sara at 9 years old. She goes right back to preMovie #1 --- maybe it is inevitable ! A paradox is a loop. Even in the Bible, God claims to be Alpha and Omega which explains prophecy for instance. John the Revelator in the past in bible times was SHOWN in Revelations things yet to come - because according to Scripture God exists in a Moebius loop, able to travel along his timeline

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