Lets start right off the bat. These take into account on whether or not the predator and alien universe is still conjoined in the separate films. We all know that the Predators and Aliens have been battling much longer than previously thought dating back to 4000 bby (source : AVP) These are creatures that have been around since ancient civilizations and most likely much longer than we know. How is it that David could have created a creature that's been around before humanity actually engulfed itself into technology. A lot of people have been saying that the xenomorphs are a different species than what David is trying to perfect. How is that the case if he is the first one to basically engineer these creatures, how they are inseminated and ultimately how they react to life and their purpose. A lot of people also believe that each alien and predator franchise have a separate universe except in their conjoined universe. That wouldn't make sense, these are two subjects that have been in the spotlight... Mainly with each other, the books, graphic novels, and even small hints in each other's films. Just an example for people who wanna tell me that the separate movie lines are not together except in their conjoined universe. Predator 2... When the Lt. Finds his way into the yautjas ship to finish him off, his trophy wall clearly and vividly expresses itself showing many different creatures skulls including that of a xenomorphs (circa 1990s this is supposed to be happening) how is Ripley Scott going to completely ignore these facts and try to rewrite aliens histories. I saw somebody mentions in the forums that eventually time travel could be present. There's absolutely no proof that could point to this speculation. I've read the books and a large majority of the comics and I've never encountered or heard of any encounters about time travel being developed. Going back to AVP remember that the yautja have been using these creatures as the second stage of initiation into a clan as a blooded hunter. This is a rite that's been passed down for (knowingly) over 6 millenniums and probably more. I wanna know you guys opinion. As much as I liked the plot for covenant. Things just aren't adding up.
I don't know i just raised same question in one of my thread.
It's pretty lame. Xeno was there in Prometheus already on mural. And there was one specific vase at mural below Xeno statue (if someone did not noticed it).
Now i am supposed to believe that David time traveled to planet from Prometheus before and he created Xeno way before he and Prometheus crew arrived - so much before that Engineers themselves created mural for Xeno.
does not make any sense.
I could swallow it it it was portrayed in AC that David tried to imitate Engineers work by studying their murals and papers but no - now David is Xeno creator?
And i am supposed to believe that Android created by humanity is capable to make better specimen in 15 years then Engineers which are older then earth and are able to populate planets with life...
They should make it clear in movie that David is just experimenting with leftovers from far superior specimen or something like that.
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@seqoi yes those are some really good points. Listen to this. From the original Prometheus. The black goo (which was intended for humans) caused Shaw's husband to become infected, which during intercourse inseminated an ovulating creature inside of Shaw. Let's just say that was never an intentional side effect, the trilobite is still technically the first variant of the facehugger/ovomorph that the engineers... Well, engineered! The trilobite grew to such a massive size and seemed intended for that of an engineer, don't get me wrong it could probably inseminate a xeno/deacon. But was it really intended? Also, did the engineers create the yautja? What about other species? Maybe the yautja are closely resembling to humans but not entirely, humans are by description a small weaker version of the engineers, what was the original purpose for humans anyways? And what was the purpose of creating a race for their reasons and then destroy them. Let alone with a virus that wouldn't just destroy them but create a very powerful nightmare. If only this stuff was mentioned more often.
Firstly without trying to upset AVP Fans..
They are alternative universes... in Prometheus Peter Weyland is the CEO and Founder of Weyland Industries.
In AVP Charles Bishop Weyland is the Founder and CEO, but this contradicts with Alien because well the AVP movies show that Mankind would have known about the Alien prior to Alien etc.
These are alternatives universes and should be viewed just as the 1990's Batman Movies are to the Dark Knight Series and like the Old Star Treks compared to JJ Abraham's.
Yes in Predator 2 there was a Xenomorph Skull, this was a Easter Egg and no more.. but it did leave the door open to bring in a AVP Franchise which began with Comics, then Games before the Movies.
We need to separate Alien Franchise from the AVP and Predator ones, although the Xeno can loosely fit with the Predator ones, we so far can not accept the Predator as in the Alien Franchise... it could be... but certainly not by the Story that the AVP movies told.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Prometheus DID-NOT so a single Xenomorph. not at all..
What it showed is the Engineers was aware of a Organism that is related to the Xenomorph, and experiments on these Organisms are related to the Black Goo, which eventually could be used to create the Xenomorph.
The only EVIDENCE i would say that plays against David not creating the Xenomorph but Re-creating and Perfecting it, would be the differences in Alien Covenant, which include the faster Gestation and Growth rate, and Faster Speed and Agility. And different Chest Buster.
But i think Ridley is going the route that these are in fact Protomorphs and David will Evolve them to become the ones in Alien.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
See, since Prometheus came out, i always say to people, don't you see the back story to Alien in the movie? The Xenomorph mural in the movie, you saw the bit where the dead Engineers where all together and the two guys say, why there holes in there cheasts and it looks like something brust out!!! and the fact this was on LV-223. Like yeah, there nothing said in the movie, but put the dots together, this was a place where xeno eggs was resevse engineered into the black goo and there was a xeno outbreak 2000 years ago and one of the ships that carry the eggs crashed on LV-426.
So now they saying David created the xeno just isn't right. I think what he did was mess around with the DNA of a egg.
I agree with the fact that they are different from the ones in alien because they haven't been perfected yet. As far as perfection goes? What is the time difference between alien covenant and Prometheus? I can't remember when alien 1 actually took place. All the eggs are there. They are different but if David left the planet and the ship behind how did they evolve? Especially over such a short period? Can we expect David to return to the planet? What about the jockey from alien 1. A lot of people are convinced that it's David with little or no evidence, how would he, an Android, be inseminated with an alien, also the size doesn't fit, why would David be in an engineer outfit? How would his body have grown so big, why did the hole position itself on the side of the body, gain the measurements don't add up, it's an engineer. But we well know that there are no known engineers that are still alive, at least on this planet. And back to the eggs. The xenomorphs in AC was very much different than the one in alien. The one in alien looks more mechanical while the presented one looks more biological. What explains these characteristics and changing traits through this franchise. Where is the rest of the story. Because idk about you guys but it seems to me that David abandoned his current station and lab to further continue his research and creations on the vessel destined for a new planet.
It still isn't clear who sent the distress call from lv 426 in 2122 which draws the original victims to the engineers ship. There's a lot unanswered
Edit: I haven't watched alien in a while, went back and watched it and I remember that it wasn't a real distress call, Weyland utani corp. Basically tricked the crew into visiting the planet and wreckage so that way the Android could bring back to the scientists
@BigDave I see what you're saying. But another point that it doesn't make up. In AVP Charles bishop Weyland (founder of Weyland) was played by the same actor as bishop who played the original Android. Coincidence? I think not, let's not forget the original androids were created in the image of Mr. Weyland, they were created as a clone basically, of himself. So you can't ignore the fact that these universes can't be connected. I understand the Easter egg part, but still, they both acknowledge the fact that they are in the same universe. Also let's not forget again, the corporation has known about these creatures for a long time. Let's say for a minute that these universes are connected and the timeline since AVP events were conciled purposely so that after what happened in Antarctica, Weyland yutani(which conglomerated in 2099) started focusing on these organisms and that's why they've been working on expansion into the universe, what's not to say that Mr. Peter Weyland isn't a relative, possibly offspring of Mr. Bishop Weyland? No, In alien wiki Peter Weyland founded Weyland corp in 2089, so as to say, these unfortunately are both dead ends.. The problem is with all the possibilities rarely anything ever gets proven. Hopefully the next three films shed light on what is really happening. The next one is supposed to be a prequel to AC but a Sequel to Prometheus so I wonder what could have happened that we don't already know with the info given to us with AC. BTW, screw David for killing Dr. Shaw.
It's just stupid. Plain stupid. I can not believe Ridley want me to believe android perfected something in 10 years which they (life creators) where not able to in hundreds thousands of year.
Oh yes i forgot to mention. Not only Xeno was on mural, facehuggers was there as well. So was dead engineers with chest destroyed.
Regarding AVP sorry i don't follow that i am just in to Alien.
He couldn't possibly have created them because we saw one in Prometheus. If he created them he would have had to have some secret lab on board the the spaceship which is ludicrous.
Its not a book so there is no real story. It was a horror movie and then they decided to make more money by bringing it back and so they have to try and back write it and make sense of it somehow. I think they're doing a prett good job of it. It's not meant to be taken so serioulsy. Does any sci fi or horror movie make complete logical sense? No. We will never know the whole true complete picture. It's art and the meaning of art is created by the individual viewing it. It's subjective.
Im sorry but Big Dave is right. AVP is not connected to Prometheus or Alien Covenant, it is a separate universe.
According to the Weyland Industries timeline, Peter Weyland was born in 1990 and his company was founded in 2012.
Charles Bishop Weyland even states in AVP that he has no children. His company in AVP is operating before 2012. They are separate universes, I'm sorry.
In terms of Lance Henrikson, it was an Easter Egg in itself for him to play Charles Bishop Weyland. It was just a cool nod to the Bishop Character. Much like the Alien skull in Predator 2, nothing more.
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Just watched Alien: Covenant and I'm confused. The Nostromo arrived at LV-426 in 2122 and they found the FOSSILIZED remains of the pilot aboard the alien ship with a cargo hold full of alien eggs. The Covenant arrived at the engineers home world in 2104. David supposedly perfected/created the alien egg.
That's just 18 years for an alien ship that's full of David's eggs to crash on LV-426 and for the pilot to become a fossil.
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