black goo/acid blood

I think the idea ridley is going for, regardless of who is credited with it, is that the xeno has been created. the goo is the key to it all. but I like the idea that the engineers, whilst travelling from star system to system, discover the xeno and believe them to be the perfect organism, thus leading to the engineers to worship the xeno. discovering the xeno can be utilised as a weapon happens much later. but judging by what ridley has said in the past about the derelict and the tone of the engineers in Prometheus, I would imagine the xeno is an engineered species

Have to kind of agree with the above.

The Xenomorph was/is Engineered as a Weapon, its a weaponized experiment.

The Black Goo and Xenomorph are connected, one has to predate the other and i would think there is another Organism in the Chain that Precedes both.

The Hammerped had Acid Blood yes,  i think they messed up with the movie with Fifield as i would assume from clues shown and if we looked at Spaights Nano-Scarab scenes.

Then Fifield should have had Acid Blood to a degree also...

i have covered this next bit before, but i feel the Engineers Face Burn was during the Fight with the Trillobite as if you watch the scene frame by frame, he has no burn, then does then does not.

It would seem they had done a few out-takes of this shot and then edited it in a certain way...  I would think the original idea would be the Trilobite gets bitten by the Engineer and sprays Acid and this was the event that clearly swung the battle in the Trillobites favor (but it was going that way anyway).

so i would assume yes the Deacon may have Acid Blood.

As far as David goes....

Who knows if he created the Eggs, we dont know yet if the Eggs had been on Paradise before he got there, and he re-engineered the Neomorphs off them?

Or indeed David re-creates the Xenomorph after he finds out how the Engineers created it

I think 're-creation' is the keyword.

Yeah, "re-creation" and "alteration" are definitely possibilities. 

"If the black goo isn't responsible for the Xenomorph,then how did the hammerpede get the acid blood?"

I would've thought the simplest answer is it already had acid blood, perhaps with a higher pH, that was mutated by the accelerant like the rest of its biology.

It doesn't appear as if Fifield had acid blood.

I hadn't considered that S.M.  BigDave acknowledged Fifeld's lack of acid blood.

As for the Hammerpede, it is very (too) similar to the original facehugger: acid blood, shape, mouth fixation. This similarity is significant, we can't say that its role is just an unimportant extra in the movie. The creatures of the movies are connected somehow. 

Prometheus is an enigma, it's like a puzzle. Every piece of info, every sentence, every visual pattern can be important. As it is suggested by the Hungarian Rubik's Cube shaped holo projector in the briefing scene.

Always a cool piece of tech.Very advanced.Another case of the black goo not causing acid for blood is Aliens Fire and Stone.In it,Cale become infected and takes on a Xenomorph like appearance.Russell eventually kills him with a sharp stick and i don't believe there's any acid damage.

BigDave:As for the trilobite,if it did have acid blood,then that would suggest that the acid came from the black goo.

Indeed i think its a oversight they made...

Prometheus was a mess to be honest, things and how they connect was not thought out as well as Spaights.

Alien Engineers PG 104

"A ROAR of gunfire. The dying Shepherd empties his clip into
Fifield from forty feet away.

Acid sluices over Vickers as Fifield collapses on top of her.
She dies horribly, caustic liquid eating through space suit,
flesh and bone."

Why they never carried this over is beyond me, its one thing i was going to fix when doing a Re-write of Prometheus.

But alas... so many problems this movie had as far as how the events connect to the Xenomorph.

Even the Trilobite and Engineer Scene has been changed, they re-shoot the Scene as Ridley Scott was not pleased as in part the first take seemed to paint the Engineer in a not so dominant light.

The re-shot likely happened after they completed the Scenes, and so it was too time consuming to remove the Burn Make up.

So we ended up with the Theatrical Re-shoot, where The Engineer was Face Burned prior to even entering the Life Boat.

We are led to now think he got Burnt during the Crash...  But you can still see shots leading to the Scene and during the Fight with the Trilobite where his Burn is not there... this is a oversight we are not supposed to notice.

By going the route of the Re-shoot scene, they had to then remove a number of other Scenes too... included the Engineer leaving his Crashed Ships Pilot Chair and running across the surface to get to the Life Boat.

But alas none of these are to be considered Canon...

so we have instead... crashed Juggernaught, Burnt Angry Engineer gets to Life Boat and gets attacked by Trilobite.

So we have no Proof if we follow this version that the Trilobite or Deacon have Acid Blood.

So they have now kind of backed themselves into a Corner.

As it would seem the Black Goo does not pass on Acid Blood.

Only the Hammerpedes are shown to have it... which could then be a trait those Worms had?

Which then maybe means now, they have to explain the Hammerpedes are part of the Xenomorph Origin... Which then backs them into the corner that the Xenomorph is a Post Prometheus Event Right?

WRONG.. well does not have to be...  Yes Fassbender claimed not long ago that as "far as they are aware" it was only David and Shaw on the Ship.... is that aimed at us the Fans are aware?   Or David and Shaw?

Did the Deacon get on the ship... (nope and i can explain)

Is a Engineer in Cryo-sleep? (nope, Shaw would want to check first and if there was, then she would surely want Answers from it?).

So the most logical stow-away would be a Hammerpede.... but in another Ship and Location?

Ahhhhhh but not if we are talking a Hammerpede in the making, and so one or a few of those native (potentially) Worms, they could be the best candidate for something to sneak on the ship without anyone knowing.

Brings me back to the Xenomorph...

When i studied Prometheus and how the Xeno could connect, and then what is the Fate of those other Chest Busted Engineers on the Juggernaught and how can this Fate be tied to the Space Jockey (who Ridley Scott said had been on LV-426 within a few hundred years of the LV-223 outbreak and never traveled far).

Then my conclusion which was a earlier theory, that Ridleys comments seem to point me more to think its likely.

Is Hammerpedes ==> Chest Busted Engineers ==> Xenomorph to some degree..

Especially if Hammerpedes are...

1) Only ones that had Acid Blood

2) Worms are Native Species or Species that had been on LV-223 prior to the Prometheus...

LV-223 Outbreak 2000 years ago.... plus native Worms or Worms that had been there for longer than thousands of years.. is a recipe for Hammerpedes.

Because if the Outbreak was the same or similar Black Goo thousands of years ago... then this Black Goo + Those Worms would create a HAMMERPEDE.

Be it 2000 years ago... or even if a Ship goes to LV-223 in the year 2100 and the Black Goo once again comes into contact with those Worms we get the same result.

ALSO.....

Hammerpedes regrew their Heads, this is a Trait of Worms and its potentially evolved due to the Black Goo.... 

Worms are also Hermaphrodites and most can also procreate but they can not produce Eggs themselves... it requires

2X Worms  and both would then have Fertilized Eggs...

If the same applies to Hammerpedes, then you would need TWO to Procreate and we see there was TWO together.

IN A NUT SHELL?

Hammerpedes would be Egg Layers and would be the most Logical Outcome of the Xenomorph or a creature that evolves from them.

This does not have to be the only reason... but its one that would be the easy way to go and to AVOID the most conflicts.

Hammerpedes Evolved from Black Goo? CHECK

Hammerpedes only ones shown with Acid Blood? CHECK

Hammerpedes came from Worms? CHECK

Worms can regrow heads CHECK (kind of but thats a different debate).

Worms on LV-223 prior to Prometheus CHECK

Worms are Egg Layers? LIKELY

BigDave, lol, nutshell... :D

Do you know that your short nutshell shaped comments are going to kill off S.M? :D

Be more careful! :)

"BigDave:As for the trilobite,if it did have acid blood,then that would suggest that the acid came from the black goo."

Indeed i think this was the point...

The Mural Connection too, the Frescos... the Black Goo either.

*Came from the Xenomorph

*or Related Organism that predates Xeno and Black Goo

And the Black Goo was obtained by Sacrificing said Organism with the Sacrificial Goo... this is how i saw the movie, the Sacrificial Pose the Mural had... which is why Christians carry a cross its not to represent Jesus.. its to represent his SACRIFICE on the Cross.

Hence the Sacrificial Bowl was in front of the Alter and not Green Crystal Originally.

In Spaights draft the Sacrifcial Engineer took the same Cruciform pose.

Alien Engineers PG 2

"THE ENGINEER

...spreads his arms. Stands cruciform, nearly headless.
The scarabs swarm his shoulders, his chest. When they reach
his hips, he collapses sideways, toppling majestically like a
felled tree. Engulfed."

I had my theory before Spaights draft was leaked, this confirmed it to me and the Goo link..... 

If you read Spaights draft look at the TWO times we see the Nano-Scarabs... now apply this to the TWO times you see the Goo in Prometheus.... you can see the Simple connection is plain and easy to see.

But alas they may have changed how they want to connect it all.

And as i mentioned in previous post.... so many flaws with how Lindeloffs and Prometheus connects these clues... by accident or lazy writing or Ridleys Fault in how her put the draft to Screen.

Or by error of the Edits and how they are forced to change things due to using alternative shot scenes etc?

Or there intention all along?

Right now we have to go by the way we never saw Fifield have Acid and how we never saw the Trillobite either.

Not necessary...

SM likes to stick to Factual things we actually see, and so there comments are very valid.

The movie shows no clear Proof of any Acid apart from the Hammerpedes.....  this does not mean the Deacon has or does not have it... despite maybe intentions for the Trilobite to maybe have Acid Blood.

We dont see any 100% proof in the movie, we dont have 100% proof it does not either... but its one of those things like proving God...  do you take the stance that as there is no 100% concrete Proof...  then there is no God?   or are you the other side where there is no 100% way to disprove it either.

So you sometimes have to go with the simple and logical explanation that you have definite clues for.

That is the Hammerpedes Have Acid Blood, the Xenomorph has Acid Blood....  we cant Prove 100% either way if the Black Goo passes this on to certain Organisms or Not.

So there is no way to even 100% prove the Xeno comes from the Hammerpedes... (remember Worms have been there for thousands of years at least) and so has the Black Goo

If its any help...... and again i cant say for 100% if the Source i had is correct...

They claim the Hammerpedes are very connected.

I mean S.M deos not like reading long comments. :)

Alien Engineers is book marked on my phone,I'll be reading it soo.BigDave:Do you suppose it's possible if we saw the hammerpede evlove further,would it become a bipedal creature?Or would it take on trates closer to that of the facehugger?

It's also been said that the hammerpede is in no way related to the Xenomorph,that it's simply just a byproduct of the black goo.

going by the extras on the blu ray dvd, ridley comments the hammerpede to resemble a cobra which makes me think he did not intend the hammer to resemble the facehugger, this may just be an accidental similarity