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Alien: Covenant is actually Prometheus 3, not a direct sequel to Prometheus.

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Chris

AdminEngineerNov-18-2015 7:29 PM

Prometheus was always meant to spawn a trilogy, possibly even a quadrilogy. But Prometheus was meant to set in motion 2 parallel storylines; one that eventually gives enough answers to what happened to the Space Jockey on LV-426, while the other explores the expanded mythos involving Engineers and their history.

Alien:Covenant, as described by Ridley Scott himself, is going in the back door of Alien. Even the title, uses Alien instead of a differing descriptor. Since Prometheus sparked some polarized reviews from fans, it's possible Fox wanted to go ahead with the Alien route just to gain momentum for the franchise before expanding the mythos even more with an Engineer based plotline.

Because of this, I'm proposing that Alien: Covenant will actually fit in as Prometheus 3 in the series, not Prometheus 2. 

Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4
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Ruhaniya

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphNov-18-2015 9:32 PM

WHAaaaaaT?  So we are still backing into Alien just like Dallas!

Something Real

MemberTrilobiteNov-18-2015 9:35 PM

CHRISPICARD - This is certainly a very compelling hypothesis! Hmm...upon careful consideration, I would not be surprised if your theory becomes validated once Alien: Covenant is released. As a matter of fact, if it helps to keep the series well-supplied with cinematic steam, I hope your insight proves to be true! :)

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-19-2015 7:02 AM

Yes Chris this could be potentially true to a degree... like i speculated over the last few posts i made we cant rule this out because for me the Movie Synopsis does not add up quite to the direction that the movie was seeming to be heading towards from right after Prometheus came out, to all the interviews Ridley had said over the years... which in a nut shell all added up to this...

Shaw and David leave LV-223 in search of answers that Shaw wants, we have to assume David is put together in order for them to be able to make the journey.... Once David is put back together then Shaw is pretty much stuck to the whims of David and has to trust that he takes her to Paradise.... they will end up on some world related to the Engineers maybe Paradise itself.. this place will be dark and ominous...  They will indeed meet some beings who are Godlike but not God and who are not Benevolent,  and who could be more like the Devil than God.   David is bringing Hell with him as far as the Cargo... and this can only Lead to Disaster.... as Ridley Ponders what happens when the Goo infects God or a Machine.... David may indeed have his own Agenda now he is free and surely Sh!£ hits the Fan and maybe its potentially going to lead to the creation of at least something new thats related to the Xeno.. a fresher form...

The movie would have some kind of connection to the Tale of Paradise Lost... which has many subjects but touches on Rebelion between God and his creations and going against the Will of God and the consequences for this. He goes futher to say that on a few times that the Fallen Angels are the ones who have all the fun in that Story, and he had refered to the Engineers as Fallen Angels a long time ago.

The above is a kind of Synopsis if we add together what Ridley had been saying about the movie over the last 2 years... which indeed lately seemed to delve into a bigger bigger Plot..... such as Creation is no Accident and even pondering how come Worlds that can support Life do so.. this has to be more than accident or coincidence and that there has to be some devine Force and Agenda behind all this.... going futher to sugest that Earth is just one of many many worlds that can support life and that is Earth the only place we find Human Life.... he goes futher to hint that the Big Bang theory may not be correct... and asks if the Engineers was the Forerunners to Mankind... who allowed for this to happen and allowed Worlds to be created so that the Engineers can create life on them.... WHERE IS THE BIG GUY?

These statements that came out Months after a source informed me off stuff that adds up to all of this.. is what we had the idea of where the movie was going...... We then got a Name Change that seemed to touch upon indeed where this movie was going Paradise Lost with a Alien: Prefix that lends to connect the movie more to Alien Franchise so as that maybe mainstream media and fanbase would see this movie as a Alien Prequel and do distance itself from the Prometheus name... which most normal folk would not have fully made connection that this was a Alien movie and indeed a confusing movie and for Alien fans one that did not do justice to what they hopped for..

Some nice ideas seemed to be in Blomkamps Alien 5, some of this was conflicting with things that Ridley wanted to cover in Prometheus Trilogy.....   Then we get Alien 5 which was planned after Prometheus 2 that was due to be a movie that seemed to lead us down a path to more about the Engineers their Hierarchy and losely show us more connections that can draw us clues to the Biology that leads to the Xeno and why... with a 3rd movie that would most likely cover the Xeno connections in more depth maybe?

Now we have Alien 5 on back burner.... we seem to have a few aspects of Prometheus 2 changed... the movie now gets Alien: Covenant... seems to be going for a more connection to Alien...  Ridley said he is comming in from the back end.... what can this mean we wondered.... how can it connect to Alien because of the Timeframe...  We get a new Writter on board and a release date pushed futher back.....

Ridley knows the Alien Franchise is big business... people have been disapointed with some of the movies... Alien R and AVP movies and hopped Prometheus would be giving us a Origins story of the Xeno and Space Jockey, but some was disapointed with what we got..... and the clues to the Xeno and links was vague and it opened more Questions but Ridley wanted to explore the Engineers more... than the Xeno and Space Jockey....

Seems maybe Fox have seen, and after Blomkamps Alien 5, that caused a lot of interest out there... that the Alien and indeed Ripley seem to be where the Big Bucks are...... Ridley is getting old... his Prometheus Story may have spanned 3 maybe 4 movies that eventually would have lead to the Xeno explanation and Space Jockey.

Maybe he and Fox now realise  the ideas Ridley had and the Order they would span out... that with interest in Blomkamps Alien 5 which seems to be getting more Anticipation than Ridleys Prometheus 2..... and where Ridley would no doubt by the time he finished Prometheus Part 3 or 4... he would have finally gave what people wanted from Prometheus in the first place..... Maybe on the Anticipation of Alien 5... Fox have decided to go the route of touchinb upon the Xeno etc more.... first... Alien 5 and Prometheus plans did have some contradictions and elements that maybe Blomkamp was exploring as far as maybe what happens to LV 426/223 after Aliens... how and where do they get their hands on a Engineer Juggernaught/Derelict and maybe Blomkamps Alien 5 would given links to Xeno DNA and connections to the Engineers and LV 426/223...... 

Ridley had his own ideas for these connections.... which is why he may have got Blomkamp to change some of his ideas...  but off the Anticipation  of Alien 5 and Answers... maybe Fox and Ridley feel now... that if they made a movie that would more touch up on the Xeno connections while still pointing the finger at the Origins by the Engineers and whoever are above them.... maybe they feel it makes sense to look at Ridleys ideas and plans from Prometheus to Alien.... and some how "come in from the back end" is to tackle the Story Ridley was trying to tell from the reverse angle?

So he would have a set of sequences  between the end of Prometheus and Questions it raised and where does Shaw and David go and find out more about the Engineers, and maybe what becomes of LV-223... to eventually answers as far as what went down on LV-223 and LV-426 and the Xeno....  that would lead to those unanswered Questions from Alien.

This would leave him with a story to tell that goes from Prometheus A to Alien Z...... so we have B-Y and maybe Ridleys story was going to follow such a path.... but maybe now they are going to cut up those ideas and re-arange them... some some of the latter elements T-Y could be shown before we see some of the earlier ones say D-P etc

so thats kind of comming in from the back end... as in start with what leads to Alien and working backwards...

This way they cash in on Alien Interest... and give Answers more to Alien.... which then allows Blomkamps Alien 5 to continue after Aliens and not worry about stepping on the Toes of Ridleys ideas for how the Alien came to be and connection to the Engineers.... and after Prometheus Part 2 fans would get more information on the Xeno... but not all and they can look forwards to Alien 5 for a Xeno Fix.... which then allows Prometheus 3 to then cover the Engineers and Hierarchy more..... finally leaving us with TWO OPEN ENDED PLOTS

1) So what else has these Engineers and Hierarchy  been upto in the Universe never mind Galaxy.

2) A sub plot movie showing the culture and War between these Engineers and what led thousands of years ago to the Space Jockey Story and LV-426 Derelct...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-19-2015 7:26 AM

For those who the above is too much of read here is Nutshell one...

Ridley seemed to have plans for Prometheus that would eventually give us answers to the Xeno and connection to the Engineers, its purpose how it was created and why and maybe when.... without doing a Space Jockey Story... he also had big ideas behind the Engineers, they indeed played a part in our creation... but he was hinting at that there is a Hierarchy and higher castes above the Engineers in the whole Agenda.... Shaw asks but who created them and why was we created?

Blomkamps Alien 5 was going to continue from Aliens... he had some ideas that involved Engineer Technology, and the Company gets its hands on the Derelict or even another Juggernaught... no doubt after Prometheus and Aliens, Blomkamp may have had ideas of how the Company intend to use or reverse Engineer the Engineers Tech... we see different kinds of Xeno.... are these different strand stored on the Ship they capture or does the Derelict have different types of Cargo in different Holds?   Or are these new Xeno Organisms something the Company created from the Goo? who knows..

But there was some stuff they was touching upon related to Engineers and Xeno etc.... and some parts of Blomkamps ideas that contradicted or covered stuff that Ridley had planned to Answer by the time he finished his Prometheus Trilogy etc......

However its seems that Alien 5 was gaining more ANTICIPATION than Prometheus 2 maybe it was a sign that people was more interested in the Xeno and Ripley and maybe how the Xeno came to be and why the Engineers created it etc rather than finding out more about some Alien Humanoids who maybe created Mankind...

Ridley would have had a plan that started with Prometheus and Ended with Z Alien... and between this is B-Y which would explore the Engineers Agenda and who created them, us and eventually the Xeno....

But with ANTICIPATION more for Alien 5 and that with Ridleys Part 2 to Prometheus not covering maybe enough Answers to connect to Alien... and so by the time Part 3 or 4 is done (i.e by the time Ridley gets to Y) surely Alien 5 must come out before then or else it would lose interest and momentum and this could affect interest in Prometheus 3 or 4?

So maybe on the ANTICIPATION  for Alien 5 they are making changes to cover more of say P-Y next than B-O so its kind of coming in as Ridley said from the Back End... as in from reverse Alien to Prometheus... rather than Prometheus to Alien..

This way they can give more Alien clues but not answer everything.... cash in on the ANTICIPATION  for a Alieny movie... and connections... this can then lead the way for Alien 5 to cover Engineers Tech without treading on Prometheus Toes.... and finally allow a Prometheus 3 and maybe 4 to then cover in depth the Engineers and what lead to before Prometheus as well was what lead from Prometheus to the end of Alien: Covenant.

If we look at it this way, it makes sense...... maybe Ridleys plan B-Y is why John Logan is brought in to dissect some of that Alphabet and make some latter parts fit in to the next movie and work....

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

oRpheus

MemberOvomorphNov-20-2015 4:32 AM

BigDave is the only person on the interwebz that needs a TL;DR section for his TL;DR section :p

 

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