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BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-19-2014 9:36 AM

PROMETHEUS 2 INTERVIEWS RIDLEY AND RAPACE

 

So we finally get some news and hints as far as where the next movie is heading, with Ridleys latest Interview and Rapaces.

 

 

After Prometheus Ridley said that he wanted to get away from the Alien and that he did not want to meet God in the First Movie and that they will be following where Shaw and David are going which is the Engineers Home World of Paradise, and this place is far from Paradise but more like Hell.

 

He went further to say that these beings they finally meet are not God in the traditional sense and they are far from Benevolent race.   Interesting comments he has made in the past he referred to the Sacrificial Scene Engineers as being kinda Good Guys and the LV 223 as Dark Angels, and taking ideas from the story of Paradise Lost Fallen Angels. Maybe a lot of Engineer scenes was dropped to portray these guys as well really aggressive and nasty £!”$! as he puts it. Where as the deleted scenes did show us a more Majestic Race, we are now maybe being led to them being more War Faring Race.

Then we get the two latest interviews which kind of contradict each other, first Rapaces. She says that the aim of the movie is to go to where the Engineers came from for answers. She said she does not know where Ridley is going but said maybe its God or the Devil.

Rapace Interview

Ridley said that we won’t be seeing God in the traditional sense, and so what we could find are a race that created the Engineers maybe? (because we never saw God in the first movie) but that whatever creature or race this is, is not no magical God in the sense of a real God, and is certainly not a very nice being/race.

 

Then we come to Ridley Scots Interview

No more Gods and Dragons

Here he drops more hints about we wont be seeing Gods and Dragons, with Dragons he clearly means the Xeno from alien and related Organisms and he even suggested that Shaws Baby was too closely related to the Alien in Aliens, and what he plans will be far different, we can be sure then that this movie we would not be seeing what became of the Deacon that we saw at the end of the movie, and also the Mural on LV 223 is even more connected DNA wise to the Xeno so we can assume we are not going to be seeing LV 223 or even getting any clues to LV 426 or the Xeno Eggs......

 

Ridley said in a earlier interview about David is bringing Hell with him, and pondered what if the Bio Weapon was used on God/Machine... if Ridley wishes to give us something different and by that far different to the Face Hugger including the Trillobite and Xeno and Deacon and also what the Mural and Frescos depict.... then surely this are all a consequence of the Goo in those Urns or connected to that substance stored in the Temple they found on LV 223... thus such substance would surely create something similar?

Maybe David’s Juggernaught came from another Temple; this seems likely as we saw 5 different Temple Mounds. Which could maybe suggest that the ship they had taken Cargo contains a different DNA to the Urns we saw in Prometheus... the results of this would lead to a different Organism than anything related to the Xeno.

He has confirmed there would be a new Alien, one that would be different to those seen in Prometheus and Alien and thus Xeno DNA related. The new one would be very different.

 

As far as the Gods, well he mainly suggested getting away from the Alien/Dragon.. surely he can not get away from God, because we have to assume the Engineers somehow originated from Paradise or at very least their creator does, and Prometheus hinted that these Engineers were in essence our creators, who ancient man portrayed as Gods, but they are not Gods, they merely just a Race who do a lot of Genetic Research and Manipulation and a earlier interview before Prometheus had finished shooting, said the story they are following is who the Space Jockey was and that they are a Race who genetically engineered the Xeno in Alien as well as Mankind and that essentially this race had taken Genetic Engineer too far and paid the price for such a thing.

 

I can only suggest that by going away from Gods... Ridley is refereeing to we will not be covering the connections to Engineers and Ancient Mankind’s interpretations of Gods... he did hint that the 2000 year ago date for trying to destroy us was in relation to the Engineers sending down a Emissary to try and lead Mankind back on a path the Engineers set for us but we killed him and they saw us then as a rebellious and sinful race that had to be exterminated.

 

If Ridley means by not going God route, its a bit odd because of his earlier comments and Shaw wants to know why was created, then why was we to be destroyed and who created the Engineers.

 

So who knows what route they could go but i think by dropping God, Ridley is simply going the route that what they find are a Race/Being that genetically created the Engineers and some Engineers have then gone out and genetically created other races and seeded other worlds. Is this with knowledge and consent of the Hierarchy on Paradise who knows..

 

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BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-19-2014 9:48 AM

In a nutshell the only way this can make any sense is simply that there is some Ancient Race or Being,  that had created the Engineers or indeed are Engineers, and that a rebelious faction of Engineers must have taken the secrets and knowledge of creating life from these Godlike beings on Paradise and used it to create their own creations.

By doing so they had in essence Stolen the Fire of the Gods, and are thus Prometheus, and their punishment is they had fallen victim to tampering with the Secret to create Life by creating many things and one of those led to their down fall... the Xeno etc.

So Shaw will turn up on Paradise find some race or being, and it has to be that these beings or being have to not have any idea who Mankind is or was, this would explain why they never came back to finish us off.

The Engineers on LV 223 must have also somehow created the Bio Tech somehow and so maybe the Juggernaught crafts and the Cargo maybe be a supprise to the beings on Paradise, because surely the Race and the Hierarchy on Paradise if they know what the Juggernaughts are for and their Cargo would surely not let a Bio Weapon ship land on Paradise without some kind of procedure to protect them?

Thats the only thing that i can think of that fits in with Ridleys coments, so that Shaw wants her answers but sadly what they find can not give her any answers and what she finds instead is some race that created the Engineers, and that they may had been unaware of what some of the Engineers got upto.

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Cremildo

MemberOvomorphNov-19-2014 10:26 AM

Sorry for straying slightly off-topic, but did anyone actually read the interview in the SOURCE? I just can't find it at all in the Australian newspaper website.

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shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-19-2014 6:22 PM

Yes, sometimes the website locks down, so it's really hard to find sources. Anyway here's the full information about the sequel:

REEL Time spoke to Ridley Scott recently about his coming drama Exodus: Gods and Kings, which opens here in two weeks. More of that in The Weekend Australian’s Review section this Saturday. The British director, who turns 77 in two weeks, isn’t slowing down. He has already begun production on his next film, The Martian, starring Jessica Chastain and Kate Mara, and confirmed he plans the Prometheus sequel, starring Michael Fassbender, at the end of 2015. And his Blade Runner sequel is ready to move. “That’s written (and) it’s really good.” But his Prometheus sequel has him very excited because, he says, “it’s fresh” and “getting away from gods and dragons and shit. If I see one more dragon I’m going to shoot myself. Stop the dragons.” Rather than a dragon, Scott describes his original Alien as “the definitive dragon and he’s a motherf . . ker. The alien’s real which is why it’s probably one of the scariest monsters in film history,” Scott says. “So with Prometheus 2 what I’m trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act.” The Prometheus “baby” alien was, he concedes, “awfully close to the alien” that tormented Sigourney Weaver. His next one promises to be very different.

shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-19-2014 6:47 PM

Maybe Ridley Scott just wants to show us a new monster and that's it. What if Ridley Scott wants to make one last legendary horror film? before retiring. Just like Alien, only this time without xenomorphs lol

I don't know if the filmmakers will give us a great explanation on that. In fact we know absolutely nothing about the home planet of the Engineers.

That said the new monster might be:

1. David infecting God with Black Goo.


2. Black Goo infecting David.


3. An indigenous creature from Paradise.

4. Another of the creations of the Engineers.

5. Similar to the previous option; another type of DNA in the Urns stored in the cargo hold of the Juggernaut of Shaw and David.

6. Not quite a monster, but another Alien civilization which is physically speaking very different from Humans and Engineers.

7. A primary ancestor of the Xenomorph.

8.  God himself.

9. The source from which the Engineers get their precious Black Goo.The Black Goo is the blood of this creature, and it is what Engineers use to create life, as this blood can extract DNA from an infected being, to create something based on the infected life form (broadly is not very different from the nature of the Xenomoprh, which can birth from a dog with similar characteristics in its DNA).

Well, those are all possibilities that I can think of for now XD

claudius

MemberOvomorphNov-20-2014 12:14 AM

i think s that ridley he will insipire from god is death by friedrich nietzshe!

Cremildo

MemberOvomorphNov-20-2014 6:16 AM

Thanks, shambs.

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shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-20-2014 1:03 PM

You're welcome

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-20-2014 1:11 PM

@shambs..

I hope its not that case, Ridley and Fox have made a complete and utter balls up if you ask me,  We had Spaights draft that introduced various Xeno related Organisms...  We had Lindeloffs tonned down one with Hammerpedes (they was new) and the Deacon...

And it seems they just going to ingore any of that because well they are too close to the Xeno, and also we have some continuity problems as far as what becomes of LV 223 and its Temples and contents and the Deacon and Hammerpedes, as surely by Aliens the company sets up Hadleys Hope Colony and are after the Xeno and you have to ask why did they not go back to LV 223 instead....

This has to be covered, you cant leave something like that unexplained....

Then we have the Gods angle, they went the route that these Engineers are Gods, well created us, then we find out they are not from LV 223 but they come from Paradise and they played their hands in our creation, and maybe the Xeno or related Organisms and experiments and now all that is to be forgoten....

Ridley even hinted that David and Shaw are off to Paradise to find answers, and hinted they never wanted to meet god in the first movie which implies in Part 2 we find out who the Gods are or the creators of the Engineers.

Now maybe they are not going that route..?

They are going to give us something new and i guess thats ok and saves having to go back to the Xeno or any events related to Alien timeline and indeed the part of the Galaxy we live in which includes LV 223 and LV 426.

While thats interesting as far as giving us something new, i think it would be a massive DISAPOINTMENT to show us who these Engineers at the start of Prometheus was and their connection to the LV 223 Engineers, and why the last Engineer said he came from Paradise.

If we are going to concentrate more on some new Horror,  and not cover who these Engineers are, why they created us, what was they doing on LV 223 and what became of them not only on LV 223 but also Paradise, i think its a missed chance..

BOTTOM LINE... they had bitten off more than they could chew by showing us the Space Jockey Race was connected to these Engineers and that they are in effect who Ancient mankind saw as Gods, and who ultimately created us.

This is a massive scope, but a tricky subject to get right...

Maybe all along they should stuck with our Space Jockey being some Ancient Humanoid race who maybe created Bio Weapons or came across them, and these Space Jockeys may had been on their way to destroy us to maybe rape our planet for its resources, but left out that in no way they was the ones who created Mankind..

 

i.e they maybe should not have gone the Gods/Ancient Astronaught, route but now they opened that can of worms, i hope they are not going to just can it.. if you know what i mean....

 

ADDING TO IT....

Maybe if they want to not bother with the Gods, maybe they can show us some new kind of Species that created the Engineers or maybe the Engineers was a creation that got out of hand...

Or indeed that the Engineers etc on Paradise are all gone and replaced with some kind of new Horror...

That makes for a dull movie with David and Shaw, no Engineers or a few and no other humans involved.. i.e no sub plot to LV 223....

 

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BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-20-2014 1:14 PM

Oh Shambs thats based on the first comment you made about Ridley wants to maybe abandon all the Xeno and Engineers and our Gods/creators stuff in favour of something new...

As far as your bullet points, then yes hopefully one of those, but Ridley says fresh...

And looking at the script writters... i am going that they are going to show us that God is some kind of Machine, and maybe we gonna see a Space 2001 Meets the Matrix, kind of a plot....

Maybe like the Mountains of Madness..

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Cremildo

MemberOvomorphNov-20-2014 1:17 PM

I agree with BigDave.

There is no way in Hell they can ignore the Engineers. It'll be bad enough not to see what happens to the Deacon. I mean, of course there is a way they can ignore them, but that'd be ridiculous. The studio was trying to expand the 'Alien' universe and create some new stuff - and now they're going to abandon what they started? Makes no sense.

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Batchpool

MemberFacehuggerNov-20-2014 6:09 PM

I like Shambs point about Scott wanting to produce something legendary. I personally see Prometheus as work in progress. It raised questions of course and left a lot of venues to be explored. Because of that and the full knowledge of accepting that Prometheus is part of a bigger project, I have never been prepared to either praise or condemn, but to accept Prometheus for what it is and what Scott originally stated. It is a movie that has a part 2, but can work as a cinematic piece on its own. Which it does.

Just to digress a moment, I recently watched all the series of Blakes 7 by Terry Nation, which is basically Star Trek on a budget. But what stands out about Blakes 7 is the character development and dialogue. Compelling dialogue can really make a film and Scott is more than capable of doing this, The Councelor being a prime example of this. I mention Blakes 7 simply because Terry Nation had a way of giving a detailed background to a Sci fi plot that could create not only good dialogue, but would cover a lot of ground. I think Scott is going to have to do this but with the advantage of knowing that he can produce on screen the images required.

There would appear to be some conflicting notions in what Rapace has aid and Scott regarding Gods and demons etc. I think there is something of a clue here. Rapace must have seen a script of some sorts, but that would not be the whole vision, which would be firmly in the hands of Scott. I’m going to go for a broad stroke here and it is my best guess.

I think Shaw will arrive at the home world of the Engineers and for some reason they will re-attach Davids head. David will then infect the homeworld with goo. The end result will be all manner of creatures evolving simply because the goo is chaotic in nature. This is where I feel a new alien will emerge that will become a focal point.

The derelict on LV 462 may be a way of saving something from the homeworld that up to now has been viewed as something used as a bioweapon.

I don’t think Scott has put himself into a corner with this project and there is plenty of scope to answer a lot and produce something legendary.

Batchpool

MemberFacehuggerNov-20-2014 6:09 PM

I like Shambs point about Scott wanting to produce something legendary. I personally see Prometheus as work in progress. It raised questions of course and left a lot of venues to be explored. Because of that and the full knowledge of accepting that Prometheus is part of a bigger project, I have never been prepared to either praise or condemn, but to accept Prometheus for what it is and what Scott originally stated. It is a movie that has a part 2, but can work as a cinematic piece on its own. Which it does.

Just to digress a moment, I recently watched all the series of Blakes 7 by Terry Nation, which is basically Star Trek on a budget. But what stands out about Blakes 7 is the character development and dialogue. Compelling dialogue can really make a film and Scott is more than capable of doing this, The Councelor being a prime example of this. I mention Blakes 7 simply because Terry Nation had a way of giving a detailed background to a Sci fi plot that could create not only good dialogue, but would cover a lot of ground. I think Scott is going to have to do this but with the advantage of knowing that he can produce on screen the images required.

There would appear to be some conflicting notions in what Rapace has aid and Scott regarding Gods and demons etc. I think there is something of a clue here. Rapace must have seen a script of some sorts, but that would not be the whole vision, which would be firmly in the hands of Scott. I’m going to go for a broad stroke here and it is my best guess.

I think Shaw will arrive at the home world of the Engineers and for some reason they will re-attach Davids head. David will then infect the homeworld with goo. The end result will be all manner of creatures evolving simply because the goo is chaotic in nature. This is where I feel a new alien will emerge that will become a focal point.

The derelict on LV 462 may be a way of saving something from the homeworld that up to now has been viewed as something used as a bioweapon.

I don’t think Scott has put himself into a corner with this project and there is plenty of scope to answer a lot and produce something legendary.

shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-21-2014 9:51 AM

I don't think that Ridley Scott wants to ignore the Engineers. He claims to be tired of gods and dragons, but in the past Scott refers to them as dark angels.

As for the dragons, maybe Ridley is sick of having the animal-like-monster and maybe this time he wants an intelligent alien monster character.

shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-21-2014 10:07 AM

Yes Batchpool, I believe that Prometheus is the prologue of an upcoming great movie. Although we could be wrong lol I hope not.

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 3:01 PM

Yeah i was not trying to disagree with Shambs i was trying to disagree with hopefully Ridley is not going the route to ignore the Engineers...

Here are some interesting points...

1). Dragons... he refered to the Alien as such, he had said the purpose of changing things in Prometheus was that the Alien had been done to death, so they wanted to explore something new.  That was the Space Jockey/Engineers who they was and are.

He gave us that they are who mankind refered to as Gods via the Ancient Aliens plot, that these Engineers seeded life on Earth and visited man over and over giving us clues, maybe upgrading us as we Evolved and teaching us stuff.

But back to LV 223 and behind all that these Engineers i think he is showing us do a fair amount of Genetic Manipulation and not only created US, but a whole manner of other creatures most likely on other Worlds and that the Goo, at the very least in the Sacrifcial Scene is KEY to this.

So while the movie was littered with clues as to the Xeno links, as the Goo in those Urns, The Mural, the Frescos, the Mutations and infections via the Goo that inc Hammerpedes and Fifield (although tonned down compared to concept works) and lastly the result of Holloways infection leading to Shaws Baby Face Hugger Trillobite and Deacon Gran Child, all had links to the Xeno Genetically.

I think the idea was to show us that somehow via Genetic Engineer and that the Goo when used maybe on its own, or as a result of it with Organisms to produce a new Chemical, somehow plaid a part in the creation of something related to the Xeno.

Showing that what was in those Urns create something Xeno related, and that the Deacon is proof of this connection and that the Goo in the Urns is either what creates the Xeno or its Ancestor or was created from the Xeno or related Organism.

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In a nutshell he feels the Dragon is the Xeno related DNA, be that Alien in Alien, Aliens, or Hammerpedes, and Deacon... these are closely related to the Alien and are a subject he wishes to not cover.

This off course leaves a plot hole as far as LV 223 by 2094 has a Deacon on the lose, Hammerpedes and we have to assume Urns, even if the ones in that Temple are leaked are there others from other Temples.

The Comic Fire and Stone, shows us that this Goo comes into play and we see lifeforms and plant life infected in a way that passes on to a degree Xeno traits like we saw with the Hammerpedes.

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BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 3:10 PM

2) Gods... Again covered some of this above, Ridley wanted to kind of show us clues that some how these Engineers and the experiments they conducted on LV 223 are connected to the Xeno, but he OPENED UP a whole new World of Possibilities when he went the route that these Engineers played a role in the creation of mankind and no doubt visitation of our race to teach and futher Evolve us. There is proof of this..

* Star Maps (across many ancient cultures depicted Giant Beings being worshiped as Gods).

* Language (David learnt PIE that he talked to the Engineer with, how did David learn that if it was not taught to mankind by Engineers at some point in the past).

* The timming of the failed mission to wipe us out 2000 years ago (Ridley teased the Jesus was a Emisary Angle, but i think his point was that these Engineers had got upset at how Mankind had turned out and how we behaved and they simply decided to pull the plug.

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To drop the God aspect, i think Ridley is maybe not going to cover or answer much of a connection to why the Engineers came to Earth and why they stopped. 

But surely these are the questions Shaw wants to ask....

The only other way to simply sugest, no more Gods... which his comment only sugested we wont see anything related to the Xeno, not even as tonned down as the Deacon.  Is that as Ridley has said a few times.

THE ENGINEERS.... are not Gods, they are merely a race that have some substance and knowledge to create life on Worlds, we have to assume that if the company had the Goo and especially in the form that the Sacrifcial Engineers had, and we had gained some knowledge of what it does..

Then we could become Gods, as far as seed and create life too. But does having the Engineers secrets to create life and knowledge how to use it make us God in the traditional sense... no it does not.

I think Ridley is going the route that their is no traditional God at all, or is he..?

He did say he did not wish to meet God in the first movie....!

 

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shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-21-2014 3:23 PM

Regarding the USS Prometheus incident I don't know. Do you think that could be an inconsistency? the crew died and the only survivor probably never return to Earth, and I'm not sure if the company had knowledge of this expedition.

Moreover, even if they know that, I really doubt that they will take the risk of spending a mountain of money to send another expedition. Maybe the Nostromo it's the intent of the company to find out what is hidden in the z reticuli system.

That said, I don't think this will generate a plot hole in the franchise.

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 3:27 PM

3) God/Devil.... Again this continues from above post, Ridley seems to sugest our Engineers are not Gods, and by not meeting God in the first movie as for deleting the Elders Scenes, seems to imply that above the Engineers there is a hierarchy, what this is we cant be sure. But he refered to the Engineers as well Dark Angels, and Spaights refered to the Sacrifcial Scene as Good Angels and LV 223 ones as Fallen Angels. (or was Ridley who said Fallen and Spaights Dark). but you get the point.

He then also said that these God like beings Shaw is going to meet are not God, and they are not benevolent and he has mentioned the Engineers are Nasty, Agressive SOBs nicest way of putting it.

This could toy with Shaws God/Devil comment, in that indeed their is a Hierarchy above the Engineers, the proof is in what Ridley said inc not wanting to meet God so our Sacrifical Engineer and LV 223 ones are not God, they was refered to as Fallen and Dark Angels because well Angels are Gods first Creation, therefore there has to be another Race or Being that is above the Engineers and as the Engineers are considered Dark, this means their intentions are EVIL...  well to us that would be, but then look at the Animals we slaughter for Food and Medicines, does that make us EVIL?

So when they sugest God they mean a being at very least who created the Engineers if not maybe a race, and that in regards to Devil is to imply that this God, well creators of the Engineers is again not very nice at all and would appear EVIL to us.

The Fallen/Dark Angel and Devil context could also refer to the bible in some way taking away that God is Magical Being, but replacing it with that Fallen is simply Angels who rebelled, and Devil is their Leader in other words some being almost equal to God that has rebelled against him.

This could mean that we have a War between Engineers or their creators in which the EVIL ONES Won!

So what we will see is some Higher Herarchy above the Engineers, i.e creators of them or even Elders, and that the ones at the Top of this Herarchy  are Evil to a extent well certainly not Benevolent as Shaw would hope for, but are these beings/being always been Evil, or is the Hierarchy that once may had been Noble is no longer and replaced with a Malevolent Order.

THE BIG QUESTION....

who is to say we are talking that the BOSS/BOSSES of Paradise are even related to the Engineers, while i doubt they would be some Magical Being as Ridley wants to ditch the God aspect.... What we could see could be something different and i doubt we would see any Organism related to the Xeno/Mural in Prometheus not if he wants to avoid the Dragons..

But who can rule out that the God/Gods Shaw hopes to find are MACHINES or a MACHINE!

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shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-21-2014 3:29 PM

lol I had forgotten these comics

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 3:42 PM

4) The Something Fresh!.... Ridley must be refering to a new Monster, and maybe not the Engineers or their creators.  He wants to create something new and Orginal and i dont think we can expect something related to the Xeno because he wants to get away from Dragons.

But what would be fresh? and are their one of these new Horrors?  And is this something new and Fresh going to come from...

* Something the Engineer Creators/Hierarchy has created to serve and protect.

* Something they created that has all but wiped out their World and is wandering Paradise.

* Something that is created as a consequence of David/Shaws actions.

I would go with maybe the latter as Ridley did hint that David was bringing Hell with him, he also pondered what would happen if the Goo infected God or a Machine.

This has to imply that what happens when the Goo infects the Engineers, if indeed the Top of the Hierarchy are physically related to the Engineers like the Elders was.

Or maybe if the Top of the Hierarchy is some being or race that is quite different to Humanoids.

What about the Machine element? Does this mean that David would infect himself to become something quite new?  and Fresh?  I doubt it because the Prometheus Comic Fire and Stone is going to show us what becomes of a Android infected with the Go.

So does the Machine imply GOD? is the creator of the Engineers and Goo a Machine..

But if so how does this get infected with its own creation? Not saying it cant...

AND FINALLY.....DRAGONS...

Ridley wants to leave the Dragons, well we see LV 223 Temple that had those Urns in had Mural, that inc a Xeno like Organis, two kinds of Face Hugger (early Giger Concepts from Alien) the Frescos that showed a Xeno related Organsim and Engineer, and maybe this Organism or a Xeno holding a Xeno Egg.  Then we saw the Hammerpedes and Deacon that all had tha Xeno DNA look

sorry but we have to assume that if Shaw and Davids Juggernaught is carrying a Cargo that contains the same stuff as in the LV 223 Temple, well if this is used on Engineers or related Race, or even one thats a bit more none Humanoid the results would not be to far from the DRAGON/XENO

There is no reason why the Juggernaught carries Urns that carry a different DNA soup,  as there was more Temples, but we have to ask what happend to the Engineers in them.

They abondoned some Juggernaughts, did they all go to the one Temple and why? if the other Temples maybe had no outbreak or horrors...

Well hopefully all these Answers we shall get once Prometheus Part 2 is out...

THE BIG QUESTION... like the Space Jockey in Alien is... are they going to leave what becomes of LV 223 alone? as surely there has to be nothing left by the time of Aliens in 2179?

(Not as far as the Comic)

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shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-21-2014 3:45 PM

On second thought, who knows, maybe something about the Deacon and LV-223 will be shown in Prometheus 2. This project is at a very early stage of development, so we must take the words of Ridley Scott with some skepticism.

Major Noob

MemberOvomorphNov-21-2014 4:02 PM

It's possible the beings that created the Engineers don't know the location of Earth, and want that information so they can destroy it. I get the impression that the last Engineer was actually on his way to deliver an upgrade, and the urgency was to do so before their masters found Earth. And , that the presence of Shaw etc. in their encampment suggested to him that the crisis was already in motion.

Yes, he murdered almost everybody, but that doesn't mean he wasn't invested in the advancement of the Human race as a whole. At a certain level, they could view all humans as lab assets and nothing more, resources for a higher goal. 'God is cruel' and all that. Again, I suggest that we are ultimately slated to become self reproducing versions of them. I don't think there are females in their culture, I think they were grown to perform tasks that their masters didn't wish to be faced with.

And then they got too big for their britches. Too smart, too much autonomy, and just enough understanding of exotic powers to wield them to their own designs. Just like us. I think Weyland's going on about Gods tells us a lot about the moral of the story. So yes, no real gods, and perhaps there aren't any to be had, just mortal beings seeking to become gods.

And there's plenty of room for hellish, lethal biology and diabolical intentions in the next installment, regardless of where the story goes. There doesn't have to be an actual monster, if you want Giger influence it could be had without even mimicking his visual style, just the dark, inhuman hopelessness so many of his images depict would turn the trick nicely.

Prometheus was different for many reasons, and one of them was that it was no longer a monster story, unless you're willing to view David as the monster. I think P2 should be embraced with the same sort of open mind that the first required. I am personally stoked.

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 4:08 PM

The only thing i can think of is Ridley wants to go some other route with Part 2, he did say that the end of the movie has two paths one leads to Alien the other to something new and this is what he wants to follow and that is what is Paradise etc..

Problem with this is we have to look at a few facts as such..

*In Alien the company had some idea of the signal and the Organism, Ash had a secret mission to  get the crew or at least one of them infected and bring back a specimen.  By Aliens it appears again some of the company would have been aware of the Signal on LV 426 and the disapearence of the Nostromo and Special Order 937 and how come this was a failure.

Ok maybe they could miss something?  But the company records would have known about USCSS Prometheus mission to the point of what system it was going to.   Would they ever infestigate its disapearence?

Surely if LV 426 and LV 223 was in the same sector of space, which the Comic now goes futher to say they are in the same Star System, even around the same Planet... and Ridley and Fox Green Lighted the Comic as far as what it can and cant cover.

Even if we ignore the Comic,  LV 426 and LV 223 are in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system which would mean surely even if Nostromo missed it, by Aliens the company or vessels sent to LV 426 would surely had known how close the site of Prometheus failed mission was to LV 426.

* Then we have Shaws SOS? surely as above if LV 426 and LV 223 are in Zeta 2 then by time of Aliens at least, they should have came across the SOS.

I can only think in doing so would have made them send down a mission, and this would have gone up in smoke leading logically to the destruction of LV 223 thus leaving the only remaints of any chance to get their hands on the Engineers Tech and Bio Weapons would be LV 426 hence send the Nostromo in....

But maybe the comic is showing us LV 223 is all and well and actually habitable by time of Alien Resurection.

So why was clonning Ridley the only last hope of getting the Bio Weapon Xeno, let alone Engineers Tech when after Prometheus their are more than one Engineer Ship left on LV 223.

so yes i think it has to be covered...

Unless a 3rd movie would be doing that.

Ridley could have done LV 223 and not have to show us Xenos,  they could show us the Hammerpedes carrying Worm DNA can procreate differently to the Xeno and maybe creates something different...

Or even the Deacon maybe it can procreate in a way that leads to a offspring that would produce something more Human DNA than Xeno.... Maybe the keys to its procreation and reproductive cycle and some clues on LV 223 that are vaguley translated by a Android could give us clues to undestand the xeno connection without seeing a single traditional Face Huger or Xeno in sight.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 4:22 PM

@Major Noob, yes some interesting points and i have covered some if not all before and indeed the Hierarchy on Paradise may not know of Earth, lets look at reasons why no more Engineers came?

* could Paradise not be aware of us, was we a creation using their secrets by a sect of Engineers who wanted to play Gods with thier hierarchy's secrets to creation?

* could Paradise think we was destroyed, was some sabotage done to prevent our destruction and the saboteur contacted Paradise to inform them that we had been destroyed or upgraded. But then surely they would send someone from Paradise to check?

*could Paradise be a place of destruction and that the remnants of their culture is in total destructions, or only a few are left that do not see, comming to us to destroy us as vital anymore.

* could Paradise have had enough of us, and seen numerous attempts to destroy us (Eggs and then Urns or Vice Versa) and the cost to the Engineers lives as being to much of a risk and they simply chose to ignore us and leave us to our own downward path to destruction, thinking that (arrogantly) without the Engineers help Mankind would remain primative and not be able to travel the Stars and pose any threat anyway.

No doubt no soon as Shaw turns up with David, that would change their minds and they would realise not only had we advanced but we have got to their homeworld on board one of their ships and thus must know the location of LV 223 and that mankind must be destroyed for sure.

either scenerio apart from the one, would surely see the Engineers wanting to destroy us, but i think David would do something that in effect wipes them all out....

And i hoped once they was done, Shaw would go back to LV 223 to destroy that place too, maybe sacrificing her self in the process. These are the ideas that i had for my draft i was working on for Part 2 and 3 and what i hoped.

And after Shaw feels she has stopped the theat by destruction of Paradise and LV 223, what she does not know is that David is aware of the LV 426 signal and what is there and passes the info onto the company and hense = Alien and Special Order 937

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 4:32 PM

@ Major Noob

 

Also about the Upgrade.... one must first destroy to create..

I think these Engineers created us for a purpose, they maybe could not procreate like we can and they can clone themselves but maybe they was looking for another way... What ever reason they created us, they came back to us the taught us stuff because the movie goes the route of the Ancient Astronaughts and that all the Ancient cultures interpretations of Gods was just their interpretations and contact with the Engineers.

The Sacrifical Scene was not a quick A-Z creation of Mankind, and the Engineers took a lot of bother to visit us over and over..

Something changed... they or a sect of them may have fallen out of love with us, we had fallen out of favour with them...

The Engineers seed their DNA via the Sacrifical Scene beacuse their DNA is maybe Pure... Perfect?

And the process was to create something near Perfect in their image and thats MANKIND

What if at somepoint these Engineers or a few had come into contact with some Organism, or experiemented on some Organsim or even created from scratch some Organism, that infected a Engineer i.e the First Face Huger maybe seeing a Engineer create life via other means, and seeing a kind of pregnancy resulting in a Engineer giving Birth to new Life was something these Engineers or a Fraction saw as being Special,  they wondered over this event of a way the Engineers can give Birth to a Organism.

Maybe this was the Frist Deacon? Or maybe the first result they saw potential and futher experiemented creating many Face Hugers untill finally one of them produced the Deacon in the Mural.

THIS IS PERFECTION

They worshiped its Perfection, and they then felt that instead of using their DNA (Engineers) to seed life, they now found that the Deacons DNA was more PERFECTION.

So they reweaponized it to use on Earth to upgrade us with the Decon DNA stored in the Urns the same way the Sacrifical Scene showed us the Engineer seed Earth with his DNA.

This is where the to create one must first destroy comment fits in...

They had forgon their creators, or method of Perfection (The Big Head) as now there was something more Perfect to use (The Mural Deacon).

Thats  how i see all that lol

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-21-2014 4:43 PM

So i still go the idea that at some point and we may never know how and when, these Engineers had came across something they borrowed their Bio Tech from and this Organism or Culture is also what lead to the Xeno...  They maybe engineered stuff they come across that they see as being aupgrade to what they have pretty much like the BORG in Star Trek.

Only they started to try and re-engineer or  created something that they then carried out experients on that proved their down fall.

Or even if at some point a faction created the Bio-Tech but some other experiements created something else related to the Bio Tech...

As we dont see any in the Sacrifical or Elders Scene and the Seed Shaped craft at the start compared to the LV 223 Engineers Bio-Tech and Ships that have a Xeno connection.

I say this because if the Xeno comes from and is related to the Engineers Bio Tech and they have it on Paradise how do we avoid showing anything that is related to the Dragons Ridley wants to avoid?

Did they simply try messing about with X and Y too much and create Hell.....

Be a bit like if our Scientists ever discovered a way Ebola can be Merged with Flu, and that also this new Desease is also able to be spread via Mosquitos like Malaria.

So these Insects can bite and pass on the disease to Humans and Mammals who then can pass it on via body fluids or even air born via Flu like Symptoms...

If Mankind created a Hybrid like that well kiss good bye to at least 33% or the Worlds Population.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Major Noob

MemberOvomorphNov-22-2014 6:47 AM

What if the Morb is an object of worship because it is the first birthing from an Engineer? And the Engineers are not horrified, but enchanted that they could create life from within themselves. All this via exposure to the goo. Maybe that is the seed from which a religion is born. And with that, arrogance (the big head) and over reaching.

I personally get the feel (at least hope) that Prometheus has no canonical connection to anything but Alien. Ridley could get away with that, and he may rather his story not be handcuffed to other people's ideas, and the boundaries they would create. Also, the comics from what I've seen are covering so much about what happens later on LV223 that it feels like a safe bet that those events won't be depicted on the screen.

Or, Ridley won't worry about connections there, either (given some of what I've seen so far, and the eventual appearance of a Predator coming up, I hope he doesn't) and perhaps he just wants to be satisfied that any special ideas he has for the movie aren't depicted in the comic books, and that is the extent of his involvement?

I just somehow can't imagine a lot of energy being spent on assuring continuity with, say, Resurrection. Or any of the others, really. Why force a great story into that template when you could just move away from it altogether? If I was Ridley, and I saw an opportunity to take the reigns and reset the story, and aesthetic of the Alien universe, I would. Go for it dude.

BigDave

MemberDeaconNov-22-2014 9:32 AM

Yep i was pretty much on similar thoughts, maybe not the as you put it MORB as in Alien, but something that maybe came before it or prehapse something that came as a result of it and the Engineers, that allowed them to give birth to life as such.

This would be the Deacon in the Mural, there are however so many potential problems with the Alien Time Line as far as what becomes of LV 223 after Prometheus and by Alien Resurection that surely it can not be ignored and hopefully a 3rd movie could cover that and close the door on it..

Like i was thinking of for my plot ideas, that first Shaw meets God/Gods that are not God/Gods then she or David puts a end to them, and then they set off to destroy LV 223 but as i said Shaw would think she has done her job and Mankind is safe from the threat of these Engineers their creators and creations...

Only she does not know about LV 426 but David or the company do...

We have to think about the cast too, surely David and Shaw off to Paradise is just 2 characters, how many Engineers or other beings would be played? 

There us huge scope here because these Engineers are shown that they could have created more than just life on Earth,  and we are not the only Inteligent life created as a result of the Engineers.

And the Predators Fire and Stone Comic shows us this...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

shambs

MemberOvomorphNov-22-2014 2:05 PM

I can't lie, I have the hope that the new monster may have some resemblance to the suit that the Engineers use to fly their ships.

oduodu

MemberXenomorphNov-24-2014 5:02 AM

Bigdave

certainly saying that we are moving away from the alien to investigate the engineers

 

to another alien creature ???

so they are steering away from the alien to steer to another alien creature ?? what about the engineers now ??

as you said we wont be meeting god in the first movie 

so.....

so will that happen in p3 ??

 

so even without lindelof in the mix more confusion.........

 

WTF ???

 

anyways lindelofs draft was okay . it seems someone else cut it to shreds ??

 

not very nice little peter !!!!! not very nice at all !!!!

 

LOL !!!

so what now ???

 

will be seeing more of the engineers ??? that was the thing everone was so excited about okay ???

 

eish !!!!!!

 

what next !!!

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