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Who built the Engineer's Juggernaut?

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123Engineer

MemberFacehuggerJul-02-2013 3:10 PM
Engineers or other human races? What do you think? :-)
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Peter Lorre

MemberOvomorphJul-02-2013 4:46 PM
Certainly the Engineers, as it's build is similar to the Engineer's suits, with dark colored bony looking pieces.

Lone

MemberPraetorianJul-02-2013 5:08 PM
I like to think that the Juggernaut was organically grown rather than built, but that's just me! It would have to be a very superior level of Tech to carve out that facility. Whether it was Engineer tech or they utilised stolen tech is open to debate. Those structures may have already exsisted & have been adapted to suit the Engineers purpose.

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Anunnaki50

MemberOvomorphJul-02-2013 10:49 PM
I really dont think they are grown thats an idea straight from the original Giger look where it had ribs and such. To me they are built by who knows what but they are more technological in nature not living wishbone ships. Why would they steal their own tech. its their own its not an SG-1 episode. They build these ships but alot of them can be turned off and left to sit thousands of years later. When it fell on rocks just missing Shaw the craft sparked like metal.

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Visionary Alpha

MemberOvomorphJul-02-2013 11:22 PM
It could have been built by other human races. Humans had been on LV 223 before, at least 2,000 years ago, and all we can really infer is that humans and engineers had been using the ships for at least that long.

Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphJul-02-2013 11:32 PM
What a strange question. Maybe robot Vickers, aided by Space Jesus. Wait no, i'd say it was definitely Predators, hahaha. Fuck i'm great.
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Visionary Alpha

MemberOvomorphJul-02-2013 11:49 PM
It's only a lot of analysis that we can infer humans were there before, however. I don't understand your reference to Space Jesus(?), and the predators, while a possibility given that they are also there in the movie, the message of the film is basically that the engineers made the ship. I agree this is a strange question to ask, therefore, but as I pointed out recently that humans were there before...

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-03-2013 9:54 AM
Well we are not told.... Ridley gave us clues in that he said the Technology behind the Juggernaut is perhaps Millions or Years old.. He also referred to the Derelict and Juggernaut as Brothers... meaning they are very similar, could this also imply that they are also part Organic and Living... I do feel the Juggernauts are living machines as such. The Question them comes to the opening scene, is this intended to be Earth? Its it intended to be after the planet had primitive life, or after it had only basic lifeforms like Bacteria? There is no confirmed date of that Sacrificial Scene... But it seems to be Millions or Years ago, and maybe even Many Hundred.....? This could mean that the Space Ship at the Start of the movie could be vastly older Tech than the Juggernauts... Maybe just maybe the Engineers came across some Organic Material or Life form that they reverse Engineered to not only create the Bio Mech Suits and Juggernauts but also the stuff in the Urns and maybe the Xeno... My theory is thus..... The Engineers built them from stolen Tech they reverse Engineered.

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123Engineer

MemberFacehuggerJul-03-2013 11:59 AM
Maybe, because they are Engineers so Technicians. They found a DNA or a life form from God and engineered it. So they engineered the life form or something else to their advantage.

NibbiX

MemberOvomorphJul-03-2013 3:47 PM
Why not equalizing God and Engineers? This would be a good explanation where the different religions came from, the wall pictures and the Engineers did not change in millions of years. And normally there should be a biological development in thousands of years.. (keyword: Darwinism)

Fleshvessel

MemberOvomorphJul-03-2013 4:32 PM
Apparently sarcasm isn't registering so well... So, Vickers and Space Jesus *SARACASM SIGN!!** Predators **HUGE SARCASM SIGN** Kill me if predators come near this universe. I think the 'Engineers' most likely 'Engineered' their own crafts. (NOT SARCASM)
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Visionary Alpha

MemberOvomorphJul-03-2013 6:31 PM
Humans have probably been interacting with the engineers for thousands if not millions of years. They might well have a role in engineer society as craftsmen or laborers, or maybe even any position if they can climb their social ladder. I respect that you hate predators, but don't ruin it for the poster here.

jin

MemberOvomorphJul-03-2013 6:55 PM
I know this is just a movie ! but then it impacted me so much ! i used to watch ancient aliens long before this movie was created and i was so i dont know how to say this but im such a big fan ,, can anyone give me some idea what would be the reason why they created us,, lets not base in the movie i want your own opinion thanks

Cremildo

MemberOvomorphJul-03-2013 9:14 PM
In my own uninformed opinion, the most interesting thing about the Derelict from the classic ALien is that it seemed to be biomechanic. It wasn't 100% technical stuff, it wasn't 100% living stuff, but a mix of both. Arthur Max, Prometheus' PD, intentionally gave the Juggernault a less "biologic" texture. Therefore I come to the conclusion that the Engineers designed and built it. Why not?
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Visionary Alpha

MemberOvomorphJul-03-2013 10:17 PM
@jin: Welcome to these forums! I am also a fan of ancient alien theory, and if I'd say the engineers created us so we could someday go to the stars and join them. Life in the universe can be very fragile, needing just the right set of circumstances for a planet to support it, and then safety (or luck) from catastrophes like major asteroid impacts and the natural changes in parent stars. The Earth will someday be destroyed by our own Sun, some 4.5 billion years from now it is estimated, and for us to to survive we'll need to take to the stars and settle somewhere else. That other place might serve us as a home for thousands or millions and even billions of years, but it too will someday need to be abandoned. The engineers are seeding life everywhere they can so as to maximize the chance of life always occupying the universe. They want to fill the universe with as much beauty and life and love as possible, and give it all the best chance to survive.

123Engineer

MemberFacehuggerJul-04-2013 9:40 AM
Nice idea. I like your idea that the engineers seed life and that they give every lifeform a chance to live. So the engineers are not only agressive. Maybe the engineer's sun has destroyed itself so they found a plce to live in other universes. Because of the evolution, the mankind will become taller and without sun a very white skin color.

JTrodglen

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2013 11:12 AM
The Xeno's built it. I figure they where used as like well trained termites or bees. In the Heavy Metal comic they are referred to as a Bio-Mechaniod. I think H. R. Giger calls them the same thing. [img]https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8OzMqUiI_q0j_vnaTFBjjIPp3IzcqQ8N7inH8ojxcGL-yePRY[/img]

Custodian

MemberOvomorphJul-19-2013 8:26 AM
my thoughts on this have remained CONSTANT: 1) the original ELEPHANTINE spacetrucker juggernaut was GROWN from [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/24891]UGM or Universal Giger Material[/url]. 2) the Prometheus juggernaut was a [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/22238]BACK ENGINEER'd jobby[/url], based on the original. :)
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BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-19-2013 1:53 PM
I do think maybe the Engineers did reverse engineer or steal the Bio Tech from somewhere... As far as the Space Jockey being who they stole it from, well Ridley has hinted that the Ships are brothers (Juggernauts and Derelict), he had many times said that the Pilot was actually a Suit. So i think Ridley is going the route of the Engineers and Space Jockeys are one and the same..... But yes there are inconsistencies to the size of the Space Jockey who was supposed to be a 26-27ft tall being that well is actually a 12-15ft tall Prop.... Saying that things got even more inconsistent in Prometheus because the supposed 26 ft Space Jockey that we can now accept as actually say 15ft is a Humanoid in a Suit fair enough.... but supposed to be a 12-15ft tall Race, that then got revised to be for the movie a 9-10ft tall race... That ultimately end up being a 7.5 to 8ft tall race... So while the dimensions of the Engineer Pilot suit scene could show our guy to be 10-12ft and its off from the Derelicts 12-15ft we see that Shaw was attacked at the end by a 7.5 foot tall being. Which what i am getting at does mean we cant rule Ridley going the route of having another Race who Piloted the Derelict who may created the Engineers in their image, but who are smaller just as the Engineers created us in theirs but smaller. I hope we get answers more clear as to how the Bio Tech of the Juggernauts and Space Jockey suits came to be or how the Engineers came to get hold of or maybe create such things.

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