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Box office...your thoughts?

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OrangeAgent

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 1:17 AM
haven't posted here in a month, and at that time I and others on here were talking about Prometheus probably hitting 200M in US box office. now that it is clear it will fall short of $200M by a wide margin...what are you thoughts? did word of mouth hurt the film, or maybe the early launch in Europe? The 'R' rating? lots of questions. Bottom line...will it go down as a box office disappointment? Has it made enough for the studio to green-light a sequel under RS's terms?
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FREEZE!

Co-AdminMemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 1:21 AM
The green light is visible, not sure what you mean by falling short. I like the film myself.
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OrangeAgent

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 1:25 AM
meant that it fell short of 200 million in the US box office. how does that affect its legacy and the chances for a sequel. wasn't saying anything about the film itself (which i liked as well).

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Co-AdminMemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 1:51 AM
I think that we will see more. The story has a lot of potential
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MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 2:35 AM
I would also take into account the earnings from the rest of the world . its earned $298,769 world wide. there will also be sales from blu-ray dvds etc. i think it will get the green light for a sequel ,if its not already made :)

Custodian

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 2:47 AM
1) release that RESTORATION CUT. 2) announce the Paradise greenlight. can't happen fast enough, for me.
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keep-itreal

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 2:53 AM
Yeah, definitely was hoping Prometheus would pass the $200 Million mark. But it didn't happen. We just have to move on and hope the sequel gets a greenlight.(I'm sure it will, the studio is already talking about it) I think it has more to do with the name itself. Most people don't even realize this was involved in the Alien universe, a prequel to Alien and ALiens, so there just weren't enough interest generated to get the movie-goers off their couch to go see Prometheus. So basically what were looking at here is an R-rated, big budget sci-fi movie that is a completely new franchise to the general public. The story content completely foreign to people who aren't Alien/Aliens fans. Transformers was also a new franchise, but the trailers were explosions everywhere, bunch of flashy stuff, and Megan Fox. So it made a lot of money. The trailers for Prometheus was very mysterious, chilling, scary, enigmatic. So I imagine average movie audience going "what the fuck was that, looks stupid XDDD" Now you might say The Dark Knight was a different name to Batman Begins, but Heath Ledger's death took the interests for the movie to new heights, so it also made alot of money. Most people didn't even know Batman Begins existed during the release. And I agree too the word of mouth, and the bad reviews definitely factor in. Most complaints all over the internet was "It raised more questions than answers" Like are you fucking serious?? WHEN WAS THIS A BAD THING?? What happened to using your imaginations? The movie wants you to answer the questions yourself, interpret the scenes and make up your own thoughts on what really happened to the Engineers, what was the black goo, did the sacrificial Engineer created us? Imagine it, answer it yourself. And guess what, its way more fun to do that than to have the movie answer every question leaving you with nothing to think about.

TheNostradamus

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 3:48 AM
Its made $298.7 million world wide, i think DVD/Bluray adds about 50 milion normally and it still has a few countries to be released in yet. so i would say its done really well and made big money, Remember this is a film that is from a demographic point of view will interest mainly men, nor is it a family film. your going to struggle to compair it to Maddagascar 3 and the Avengers. We should be patting this film on the back and saying well done and not trying to second guess what Fox's expectations were... IMHO :)

Indy John

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 5:09 AM
"... Most people don't even realize this was involved in the Alien universe,.." This is true in my case as I had seen several of the TV ads,,,but didn't realize the 'Alien' connectiom until my son talked about it (he was not sure about this ) . Perhaps if the connection to 'Aliens' was promoted more a wider audience would have attended the showings..
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whatisthematrix

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 6:54 AM
not entirely sure what planet a couple of you are from...but I'm from planet 'earth', not planet 'america'. in my world and in my reality, prometheus made $298,769,000 off a $120m to $140m budget. that constitutes as successful - not taking into account dvd/bluray/itunes sales. (sales from around the world, because in outback country towns like australia they actually have blu-ray players. well, they have one blu-ray player but still.) cheers guys.

Cypher

Co-AdminMemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 7:04 AM
We just got them moving-picture masheens here in outback Port Macquarie ;-P they go awright them things, can't wait till they make one with sounds!! :-D
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RSAND

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 7:07 AM
whatisthematrix Yes. I agree with your accounting and like you, am wondering what all the disappointment is about. This film grossed nearly three hundred million dollars! That's a lot of money and that's not even taking into account the additional millions that will be poured into it from home video sales, toys, release to TV and possible re-release to theaters. When it's all said and done, they will have made a proverbial ton of money and that is a definite success. I just ordered my first Bluray player and I'm sure those that don't already own one will do the same. That's another industry that will benefit from this film.

Indy John

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 7:08 AM
THeree is no sound in space,,(to paraphrase 'Alien') Enjoy the flickers...
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Major Noob

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 8:39 AM
RSAND I'm getting my first Blu Ray player for the same reason! I almost never buy movies but this one, gotta have it.

Sky

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 8:50 AM
Prometheus failed to beat avengers, hunger games, madagascar and many others. I wonder if they will create another fast paced movie after knowing this result.
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synthetic_69

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 9:31 AM
1: Like [u]Noob[/u] and [u]RSand[/u] I am also buying a Blu-Ray player specifically to be able to watch my "Prometheus" Blu-Ray disc. 2: As of this morning the film has made $298,769,000 in global ticket sales. I have no doubt that the film will clear the $300 million mark before this Friday. The film has yet to open in Germany, Spain and Japan and 6 other nations in Europe and South America. I have no doubt that the film will clear the $325 million mark before it leaves theaters. In my mind $350 million in global ticket sales is a possibility. 3: [u]Sky[/u]: I can't believe that I have to even write this section of my post. Your comparison between "Prometheus" and the other movies you mentioned is both baseless and off the mark. "The Avengers" was a PG-13 rated comic book movie whose arrival was preceded/made possible by 2 "Iron Man" movies, 1 "Thor" movie and 1 "Captain America" movie. "Madagascar 3" was the third sequel in an animated series aimed at children and those who take them to the movies. "The Hunger Games" was a PG-13 movie made from the first book in a trilogy of YA books that were made bestsellers mostly by tweens. "Prometheus" was an R sci-fi horror movie whose trailers basically told the audience "This movie is going to dark and grim". When my boss took our office to see "The Avengers" the theater we were at showed the "Prometheus" trailer. The day I mentioned to my boss, who is a smart man with a penchant for surrealist art, that I was amped to see "Prometheus". His response was that he had no interest in the seeing the film based on the trailer. He likes his art weird but he likes his movies fluffy. "Prometheus" was never going to appeal to everyone. [u]keepitreal[/u]: You wrote: "Most complaints all over the internet was "It raised more questions than answers" Like are you fucking serious?? WHEN WAS THIS A BAD THING??" The great irony about what you wrote is that "Prometheus" is a film that is related to another film, "Alien", that had at its core a huge question, "What is the "Space Jockey" and where did it come from?" I am not immune to the notion that in some ways 'Prometheus" was a bit too vague and cute in how it offered up more mystery than answers. Still, I can readily live with a film that makes me think, makes me ask questions.

Sky

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 9:40 AM
[quote]Your comparison between "Prometheus" and the other movies you mentioned is both baseless and off the mark.[/quote] No. I can sense fanboy anger in you. Trust me, BOX office is not measured based on movie genre but based on Cash and success on theaters. [quote]"Prometheus" was never going to appeal to everyone.[/quote] Same can be said for other movies like Hunger games but it is the cash that matters for FOX. Afterall they are the one who create ssequel based on BOX office success.
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synthetic_69

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 9:57 AM
[u]Sky[/u]: Being that I'm the farthest thing from a fanboy it makes me chuckle to be called a fanboy. I won't call you names. I'll leave that to you to do. You are once again off base about Fox's take on the box office retuns for 'Prometheus". It was an R-rated film. They allowed Scott to make an R-rated film. They knew that an R-rating would limit the potential audience for the film. Here's the list for the top 200 R rated films of all time in terms of domestic box office. [url=http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm?page=R&p=.htm]http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm?page=R&p=.htm[/url] 'Prometheus" sits at number 61 on that list. Almost every film ahead of it is either made from a book or is an action sequel. Alongside those films are high concept films such as "Air Force One", break out hits such as "The Blair Witch Project" and novelty/niche films such as "Sex and the City" and "The Passion of the Christ".

Space Screamer

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 10:03 AM
@Sky - that is a really good point. Ultimate the Hollywood studio system mandates that movies not only show a decent return, but subsequent films in a given franchise need to be able to generate return business. So not only is the next movie going to have to make money, it will also have to compete against the subsequent installment of each of those other franchises (Avengers, Hunger Games, etc) for its share of audience dollars. I would expect there to be pressure from FOX for the next movie to be much faster paced and to have considerably more action and thrills. After all, Aliens generated WAY more money at the box office than Alien did.

Sky

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 10:07 AM
[quote][i]Sky: Being that I'm the farthest thing from a fanboy it makes me chuckle to be called a fanboy. I won't call you names. I'll leave that to you to do[/i].[/quote] --------- Eh? i didn't call you names, your fanboy arguments are easily seen over the thread with the rhetoric jumping here and there and i pointed you to that. Slow day here indeed. [quote][i]You are once again off base about Fox's take on the box office retuns for 'Prometheus".[/i] [/quote] ------------- Not off base, my point from the first post in the thread is the same. Movie didn't managed to cross the current top box office movies which I listed in my previous reply. Do you want me to repost the same, to make it clear again?
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synthetic_69

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 10:20 AM
[u]Sky[/u]: You call me a fanboy and then tell me that you're not calling me names. The you tell me about the "fanboy" arguments that I'm making all over the thread. I'm not surprised by your tactics. Not that it will upset you but going forward I'm going to add you to the small list of posters whom I choose to intentionally ignore. Have a nice day!

Sky

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 10:24 AM
*Facepalm* and Thank you.
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Membrane

MemberFacehuggerJul-16-2012 10:43 AM
Some of my thoughts are subjective, but I'm trying to be objective as possible. Take a look at that same list, adjusted for inflation. [url=http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm?page=R&adjust_yr=2012&p=.htm]Rated R, adjusted for 2012[/url] Out of the top 100 highest grossing rated R movies, which ones are considered "sci-fi" movies? I've picked those below (the subjective part of the process). First of all, there are [b]only[/b] 8 in the top 100. Secondly, all are heavy on the action except Alien. Blade Runner isn't even on the top 200. And I would argue that Terminator 3 and both The Matrix sequels are up there due to the incredible success of the prior/first installments. The only "stand-alone" ones are The Matrix, Total Recall and Alien. Terminator 2 - 10 The Matrix Reloaded - 11 The Matrix - 35 Alien - 39 Total Recall - 61 Terminator 3 - 74 The Matrix Revolutions - 88 Aliens - 94 Prometheus - 198 What does this mean? Slow-burn, thought-provoking, R-rated, intelligent sci-fi just isn't going to be a cash cow for studios. So the fact that Prometheus is even on this list is cool by me.

synthetic_69

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 11:18 AM
[u]Membrane[/u]: Good on ya for going through that list and picking out the sci-fi films. You wrote:"What does this mean? Slow-burn, thought-provoking, R-rated, intelligent sci-fi just isn't going to be a cash cow for studios. So the fact that Prometheus is even on this list is cool by me." Another question that is related to your post is this: "Are thought-provoking, intelligent movies of any type simply not cash-cows for the studios?" Almost anyone in or outside of Hollywood is going to answer "No" to that question. In truth, I can't stand talking about box office figures in regards to "Prometheus". Doing so just feels like a necessary evil to counter the myopia of those who are hating on the film and claiming that the fact that it did not match the box office totals for lesser and/or highly different films is a sign that the film was a failure. It's that type of online mindset that for me has detracted from my overall experience of the film and that fact has reinforced why it is that until now I've stayed away from many corners of the internet: it's a ready platform for bullies and oafs of all persuassions. I've seen it on other sites and I've seen here. It's a crap way for people to act but people know that they can get away with it because its the internet.

oduodu

MemberXenomorphJul-16-2012 5:21 PM
Nice one membrane. Prometheus is doing very well for an r rated sci fi movie. When will it be released in china ?

sukkal

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 7:45 PM
My original guesstimate before seeing the film was $350~400 million global revenue from big and small screens. It seems on track to do that, which makes me happy. I think that will get it its trip to [i]Paradise[/i], but there will probably only be one more film that is concretely in this arc unless they can be super creative and re-use-y about pulling two films out of 120~150 million for the next production budget. In some ways I think they really "overbuilt" for this project. They didn't need all of those corridors that Arthur built in the pyramid, and the ship (Prometheus) probably didn't need to cost as much as it likely did either. I LOVE when they build real sets. I can absolutely tell the difference, but there ARE cheaper ways to do a lot of what they did and on the digital side things will just get cheaper and cheaper. I think Sky raises an interesting point. They could take [i]Paradise[/i] in either of two directions. They might actually let Ridley make the film he wants to make and just gamble that if they leave it (=him) alone that it will be a big hit. They might also go in exactly the opposite direction and Transformerize it. [Blech.] I personally would prefer that they only spend $80~90 million on it and let him make something that is ÜBER-Ridley. At least that would get fantastic reviews (AND word-of-mouth buzz) and not tamper with his legacy. He only has so many films left in him at his current age. 3D-shmeedee. Let the man make the best film and the best CUT of that film that he is capable of making out of the gate. And! And, market it in a way that is TRUE to the film that is made in the end and then watch the money roll in. Edit: Make that ~$100 million for the new budget. Fassy is now in a new tax bracket post [i]Prometheus[/i]. ;)

synthetic_69

MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 8:15 PM
[u]sukkal[/u]: I have to differ with you about the use of real versus CGI sets in "Prometheus". For me, and I think that a lot people feel the same way, it was the physical sets that gave the film its distinct look. The ongoing progress in the quality of CGI is not lost on me. However, films like "Prometheus" or "Inception" stand out to me visually because of their reliance on the real over CGI in terms of sets. To me CGI is best used to augment actual sets, not to create entire new worlds. I know that it's an older film but some of the backgrounds in "The Phantom Menace" were laughable. When watching a film such "The Avengers" I never forget for a moment that I'm watching a CGI-fest. However, when I watch "Prometheus" I get lost in the sets every time. Even though I know that the exterior shots that take place on LV-223 during the dust storm are composite shots involving on location content and CGI I still feel in the moment because the CGI is part as opposed to almost all of what I'm watching on the screen. And as far as over building goes, whose to know if many of the sets that were built in England doubled for scenes in "Prometheus" Part 2. In the "Art of Prometheus" there's a quote from one of the production members about Scott is a master of readjusting on set lighting elements in order to get a new look from a particular set in order to use it for more than just the scene for which it was built.
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