Do androids dream of Elizabeth Shaw?

I know I would... lol

*fingers crossed* :D

It is difficult to believe that Ash came AFTER David... I mean... ARRIVED on the scene after David.

RED Wolf: LOLOLOLOLOLOL. you naughty you

Ash's capabilities may have been a result of going 'too far' with David's design....limit the ability, more control..otherwise you end up with something too smart for you to direct.

Well, in movie chronolgy, David seems leaps and bounds more sophisticated than Ash -- and of course, BOTH have hidden agendas, which I sure hope are exponded upon in Part 2. IMO, the timing's about right for Weyland Industries (WI) to receive word back from Shaw/Pro', et al (including Shaw's own beacon warning) to then send or divert the Nostromo to LV-426.

If you ask me it's ovbvious that David's "attraction" to Shaw has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with her humanity, faith and her longing for answers to questions which he feels are irrelevant. He is interested in things which he cannot understand. Sex is pretty easy to understand. Love, on the other hand, is not though.

I think Robby The Robot and HAL both dreamed OF Shaw.. But since you mentioned robots,,when was the last female designed robot featured in the movies didcussed here? My mind is blank,,

Last one I can remember is Wynona's Call.

Female terminator -- or was Call AFTER her?

I agree with engineering David is wanting to know what makes Shaw tick He gives her the most intriguing looks at times Shaw's character development in the film is clever She gradually loses her religion and becomes more of a scientist She decides to go with a decapitated android into the unknown I think they have the same mind set as far as finding out about who made the engineers Great minds think alike?

Yes, I agree with @Engineering. David strikes me as a type to be little interested in sex, even if he was capable of it... I think what [i]really[/i] intrigues him about Shaw, is the thing that seems to make her unique among all the humans - her obvious and commited faith.

@skuaimages...I don't think Shaw has lost her religion. Her telling Holloway "Yes, but who created them?" still says to me that she believes her god is still out there. She believes her god created the Engineers and the fact that the Engineers are not the benevolent, heavenly beings that she thought they would be does not mean that the being/s that created them is/are not benevolent or heavenly. After all her god created man and we are far from benevolent. She's still searching for a reason.

She's one of the most non-scientific scientists in movie history, IMO. She "chooses to believe" more than once. How many scientists -- real or imagined -- "choose" to believe things? And at thee nd, she puts her cross back on, as a sort of re-affirmation or security blanket. Totally switching gears for a moment, Unresolved Question #461: What was with Fifield being bent/crouched -- like a xeno -- when they lowered the gate and all hell broke loose???

@Red Wolf I find the entire, "choose to believe", totem one of the most annoyingly empty features of the whole business. On #461 - I'm not even sure I actually saw this now, but I feel certain he wasn't so much, "crouched", as squished into some Xtreme Yoga - with his legs bent back, all the way around behind him, to end up with his feet in front of him again, resting on either side of his head, as his crotch sat on the floor and the arms holding him balanced... I remember laughing at him and wondering how the Hell did he got up from that condition so smoothly, I know that.

David clearly dreams of T. E. Lawrence. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2fwz4dSCSeM/TWMGaiAtBYI/AAAAAAAAADg/2R6nXpusxEM/s1600/Lawrence-Lawrence.jpeg[/img] If that makes you uncomfortable, welcome to one of the worlds of Ridley Scott. Perhaps you can comfort yourself by dreaming of Eli Shaw for your own amusement, or watching [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAoBKagWQA]this[/url]. Apparently robots are often into loving images of themselves.

@ Red/allinamberclad - The amount of scientists who "believe" is actually quite high.

allinamberclad for the win.. Faith...an intangible concept outside David's understanding, although he understands it's influence through Shaw

@lolwutprometheus Whoa - don't get me, (nor, I'm sure, Red Wolf), wrong? Although I was very specific, I'll unpack it, [just a little, so as not to derail this thread]: I meant, [i]specifically[/i], "choose to believe", as I see it as a [simple] [i]totem[/i], in [i]this[/i] film and in [i]that[/i] context, I find it empty and annoying because of it. I was not speaking of "Belief" [/Faith], in general terms, nor the faith or belief systems of others as, "empty"? I wouldn't dare be so disrespectful. In fact, if you approach what I have written from a slightly different perspective, you may see that I speak in defence of genuine, faith - that which is not simply something that has been reduced to a totemic notion of, "choosing to believe", to hang some knocked-knee'd storyline from.

@sukkal Very good point. Everything weighed together, he could very probably be gay.

I think David would go for either gender, but Shaw has his attention for now. As for sex, I'm pretty sure Weyland would make him whole, and probably install some programing - if anything, to experiment and see how far he could push human interaction with an android. There are "love" models in this universe. They would have to be realistic. I'm playing around with something like that in my story - the gathering data part anyway of sexual interaction.

Well..... David; although in cahoots with Vickers, probably thought of her as a meddling bitch. Throughout the film, she was always lurking around and keeping an eye on David and everybody else. She was perhaps a thorn in the side of David's mission (working for Weyland). She didn't believe one thing about this mission. Even though Weyland was very superficial in his co-operation with Shaw's faith, David could be said to have felt more strongly toward her- as she was looking for the same thing (however, different application) as his boss Weyland. He viewed her dreams. He might have done this to interrogate her mind for clues to what was motivating her. Might have done this to spy for Weyland too. But I don't think so. As an android, he is without emotion. But chemical/physiological responses- Life in the form of a heartbeat, elaborate emotions and reflexes are something that a machine can see and perhaps appreciate in another "machine". She is a version of what he was created to impersonate. She is the same species as his creator. Human. Without emotion (namely Passion) he could in fact appreciate her specific individuality. Rather than Vickers, or the other shallow characters. I think Shaw has what it takes to "Turn him on"...

I believe that David relates to Shaw and is fascinated by her dreams because she believes in a personal God with a capital G. She believes that she was intentionally created by a "caring father." David was also created by a "caring father." Shaw's biblical God is one of both horrific wrath and boundless love. A complex personality to say the least. David has no access to a relationship with Shaw's God because the type of soul that allows one access to such a relationship was denied him. If not in reality, in dogma, because that's what his "caring father" told him. So, he has some access to an understanding of God through Shaw's psyche. She is interesting to him for that reason if not others... like... She also believes that the Engineers (as angels?) had a role in human creation. The kind of *E*ngineering that they apparently did to make us is likely in a more closely parallel paradigm to what Weyland ('s angels (= engineers)) did to create David. Ultimately, I believe that David feels Shaw has more to TEACH him than anyone else on board the ship for the mission. Of course, that will happen via his *studying* her... as a test subject (if necessary)... He is not designed to be hampered by everyday human ethics and very likely unaware when he comes across as creepy. He apparently did not have a copy of [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/]We Need to Talk about Kevin[/url] to watch during the trip.

i think David might have simply been tasked with keeping track of the investment...