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Could Vickers be alive?

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JonSolo

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 8:49 AM
I think Meredith Vickers [i]might[/i] still be alive for the sequel. The reason I think this is firstly her escape from the Prometheus, I think it has significance beyond simply what her character would try to do. Next, we don't actually see her die, we just hear her cry out as the ship rolls forward. She might have lucked out as Shaw did and gotten into a hollow, then escape when the ship fell sideways. When Janek is telling her to escape, he mentiones her "separate module"/"escape pod", specifically saying it has "two years" worth of life support. Earlier in the film, Fifield mentions that the travel time from earth was two years, as does David when he says he has been studying proto-langauges for two years... Of course, she has the Deacon alien thing to deal with, but perhaps somehow that's the genesis for the derelict on LV-426. My full thoughts on the film [url=http://geekwordofmouth.blogspot.com/2012/06/prometheal-remains.html]here[/url].
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Custodian

MemberOvomorphJun-23-2012 12:50 AM
maybe Vickers just had her EAR DISLODGED ;)
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Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 8:57 AM
It was 2 and a half years unless she can hold her breath for 6 months plus the time it takes to send the message and get another team to come get her etc. . Anyway maybe there is nearer help? cryo tube her self - wasnt the lifeboat messed up anyway at the end? ...a million answers and no way of know for now : ( ....

Zed68

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:00 AM
Nope. She's dead.

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:07 AM
She's squished for sure. Shaw was lucky that it was a rounded part (from the 'hammer type extension) above her, that was already curving up from the bottom of the ship, and therefore not the lowest part of the ship as it rested. Vickers was hit by the main part of the ships body. And the suit has limited oxygen, and she'd be the first thing attacked by the Xeno if she wasn't already dead as a result of the biggest steamroller gag in cinema history.

Ruth

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:13 AM
I'm sure she's dead. I was expecting her to die in a more uhm.. interesting way, but if that's how the creators wanted, so be it. And as someone said, I think I saw it too, I mean, the lifeboat getting a bit messed up when it was released from the main ship. And with Deacon in it, she would have 0 chances to survive even if somehow she managed to avoid the rolling ship.

JonSolo

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:43 AM
I think you guys are probably right, but I have a feeling they've left it open, with some creative license on the part of the 2nd script. Think about it, these are the two heads of the Weyland corporation. They would be like demigods in the corporate run future of the [i]Alien[/i] franchise. Who's to say that the Prometheus is the only ship of its kind? They might have known that something would go wrong and have already arranged for a second vessel to be traveling toward LV-223. Fifield: Look, um, no offense, but I’ve been asleep two years. I ain’t here to be your friend. I’m here to make money. You got that? David: I spent two years deconstructing dozens of ancient languages to their roots. I’m confident I can communicate with them provided you thesis is correct. Janek: Vickers, I’m going to eject your life support module to the surface. That’s two years of life. You want it or you want to stay with me? You got 40 seconds to get to the escape pod. I'm not hoping that Charlize's character is still alive, mind you, it just seems like it all adds up to them suggesting that she might still be alive, damaged craft or no-- it's still a chance. The biggest opponent of the theory is the fact that she screams when the ship "rolls over her". But again, like in a lot of movies, we don't actually see it. Scott pulls out to a wide shot of the ship, classic get-out-of-jail clause, if you ask me. Also, how is Shaw going to survive on the alien ship, even if it has a more advanced FTL drive or space-folding mechanism, she will still need food to eat and water to drink. Maybe she'll subsist on Hammerpedes and the non-freezing water from the terraforming process? :P I still don't know how Vickers would survive against the Deacon alien, though. I think this might be addressed in the sequel-- perhaps she traps it aboard one of the other ships somehow and then (somehow) launches it so that it crashes on LV-426? Or maybe she becomes a brood queen, a la Starcraft? :P

Engineering

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:47 AM
If she is alive she's an android. Scott did hint at there being a 2nd android in the film. And them giving and Theron taking such a small part gives me pause. I don't really care or know either way.
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JonSolo

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:56 AM
Now that's an interesting premise. Originally I had thought that Vickers might be an android (particularly when she grimaced at Weyland saying that David was "the closest thing he had to a son"-- I thought he had meant "child", but either way...), but recent post-release interviews have made me doubt that hypothesis. I don't know if there's been official word, but some sites have flatly said that no, she is not an android (although the obvious age gap is strange).

EGR101

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 10:13 AM
She calls out Weyland as "Father" just like Roy Batty does his creator in BLADE RUNNER. Ridley meant this as a direct reference or not, we don't know but there is a certain emphasis on the word "father" as Charlize says it in that scene. Also, can an android have so much empathy for her creator? David doesn't seem to care whether the meeting with an Engineer could be the end of Weyland. Can an android feels envy or jealous and acts on these feelings? She definitely shows her displeasure when Weyland calls David the closest thing to a son. But it would be neat if she survives. The lifeboat can sustain her for 2 years, and the journey to the planet takes 2 years. I don't think it is a coincidence that the writers put this in the script. The sequel could be about the conflict between Shaw, a believer of Benevolent Engineers, and Vickers, a pragmatic skeptic who probably prefers to call in the ...Colonial Marines to settle the score.

JonSolo

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 10:25 AM
Sorry, I just have to say, Crabfart (heh heh) is right: Vickers: Robe! How long? David: 2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes. Which of course doesn't mean she could somehow stretch that out, or again, some creative timing could be happening in the recap. I just watched [i]Alien[/i] and [i]Aliens[/i], and I think Cameron made an excellent action movie follow up, although I could understand why Ridley Scott was gutted to have not been given the opportunity. Anyway, I would love to see a return of the Colonial Marines to the big screen. It's still a distinct tragedy that they killed Hicks off in the official cut of Alien3. Looking forward to the Gearbox game...

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MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 10:30 AM
There is some merit in your analysis. I didnt know what to make of Vickers. I thought her character was not credible and she had a poor script. But this may be because she was an android which would mean she could survive. Just one provisos though. She shagged Janek!!

allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 10:42 AM
We don't see her [i]explicitly[/i] die but we don't see her [i]explicitly[/i] survive either. However, the weight of circumstance of what we [i]did[/i] see suggests quite strongly that she is quite perfectly dead and at everlasting peace - as she got tremendously rolled upon by a gigantic craft. Meanwhile, the, "2-year lifeboat", is trashed into a cocked hat and there is some repulsively ugly, cone-headed, mongoloid of a thing wandering around, just looking for trouble. So, if Vickers did by some incredible chance, dodge the rolling, (which would be Indiana Jones/Looney Tunes territory), she'd probably end up dead, anyway - because I don't think any axe she might find would worry that thing much, at all. @Engineering + 1& LOL.

Le_Chien

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 10:46 AM
Lindelof states in the most inane e-mail interview exchange ever: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/prometheus-secrets-damon-lindelof.jhtml Vickers is NOT an android or replicant.

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 10:47 AM
Actually, given the misleading links Ridley throws out there, the idea of an unfit king, not wishing to relinquish the throne adds weight to Vickers being dead, and being human. (although for me, she has quite enough weight upon her to ensure that she's dead.) Saul, did not want to relinquish his throne. When he died, it did not go to his bloodline, but to his son in law David - later known for being Kind David, and the David v Goliath David (although David 8 didn't put up much of a fight, perhaps there's a round 2, where he makes a bigger comeback than Rocky Balboa.) A son in law is not a son, but 'the closest thing' to one. I've gone into other reasons Vickers is not a robot in[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8039] my thread - Give Vickers a break[/url] Her fear, her drinking to overcome it, her refusal to get off the ship onto this scary moon, her ability to defy her father.... all absent from David. And while David is acknowledged in the briefing, nowhere does Weyland acknowledge that Vickers is his own flesh and blood, which may be why she spits it out with such venomous tone.

Le_Chien

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 10:56 AM
If she is not an artificial construct, then it's safe to assume that she's red bone bits marmalade.

**Al**

Community ExecutiveMemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 11:04 AM
Vickers must be smashed against that Planet, but if u still have the hope, she will no worry about the deacon im pretty sure he is comfy with Shaw they always Does. Xenos love be comfy in other's ships and mess up all there.
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allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 11:29 AM
@::-ALex-:: True. So very, very true: they do like to hide in other people's ships and then hijack and mess up that thing - but I think Shaw and her bag of David parts had already departed, so maybe the cone-headed mongoloid missed that flight? He'll be so angry.

JonSolo

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 12:53 PM
I'm sure you're right, allinamberclad, but wasn't that whole sequence ridiculously "Indiana Jones/Looney Tunes" enough? I mean, Shaw essentially survived in the same manner, after she avoided the roll but then the ship fell [i]sideways[/i]. I mean, it was all a bit silly, really. You guys are probably right and she's dead, but for some reason the strange nature of her escape and then death, plus the whole "two years of life" escape pod thing just lodges it in my brain. I mean, why mention it at all or why even have a lifepod? Why two years if it's not designed to survive until the second ship arrives. Perhaps Prometheus is the exploratory vessel, but they had already arranged for main colonizing or military force to arrive? I don't know, I guess from the outset they didn't expect to find anything so it's not plausible that there would be a second ship, after all...

allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 1:17 PM
@JonSolo Also so very true. To be personally honest, if there was one thing that I thought was worth saving from this whole thing and making up any crazy reason for it would be to, somehow, bring back the character of Vickers. But then - simply for the fact that I think being that plainly ridiculous would actually be tolerable if it only meant replacing all the dimension that Character had into the Story - I know it can never happen: because not one single thing that I would consider sense seems to have happened in this Story.

Sundar

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 2:46 PM
If she is still alive she should have no trouble hiding under the ship's interior wall-paper !

Bluesfool

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 10:49 AM
shes F**KED up buddy. Id rather be crushed by a croissant than shredded by whatever that proto alien will evolve into and just be chillen near her pod.

Sky

MemberOvomorphJun-23-2012 5:05 PM
Well if cameron can revivde weaver in avatar 2. I wonder why charlize is not going to be part of next movie. there is always cloning or new name or android. lol
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Mi11ertime30

MemberOvomorphJun-24-2012 3:25 PM
I do not know what to think of this due to good arguments on both sides. But I do not think that vickers is an android. While she was running out of time to leave the Prometheus via escape pod, you could see how she was trying as hard as she could to get her space suit on. If she was in a hurry, and was an android, I do not think she would bother even putting a suit on. There were several times in the movie that David didn't have to do specific things, because he didn't need to breathe, etc. so if vickers is an android, she would've just escaped without a suit. That's what I think.

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MemberOvomorphJun-25-2012 9:19 PM
may be all the black goo in the ship will leak out and mutate her into some new wonder woman

N'hoj

MemberOvomorphJun-27-2012 2:53 AM
Vicker's is a synthetic, and another version of her is coming back.

LostHive

MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 9:24 AM
I think she is likely dead. But if she lived its because she very well may have been a robot. Weyland was her dad and she had a male only medic machine and no sex seen thank G-d was show btw her and the captain.

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 10:32 AM
Damon Lindelof him self said she was not a robot in an interview!

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Co-AdminMemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 11:07 AM
Vickers is dead as a door nail...
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Spartacus

MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 11:09 AM
and I am so pleased another suite is dead. Ding Dong{or any other doorbell sound} a suit is dead !!!

godofgsxr

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 10:42 PM
Yep I bet Vickers is up on LV-223 right now doing the robot dance, just laughing it up.
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