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MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 9:44 AMwhat say you, Giger-lovers?
1) Full on Giger-porn-version on PARADISE or clever little Lindelof-scripted cash-in [url=http://www.mpaa.org/ratings/what-each-rating-means]PG-13[/url] rating?
2) I want TOTAL GALACTIC WAR to break out, and 'something truly ominous' to take place that'll make me question EVERYTHING.
What are my chances?
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Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 10:04 AMIF there is going to be a sequel it will most likely be PG-13. Prometheus is still struggling to make a profit in theaters (it will need to break 320 million to cover production and marketing costs) and a large part of that is because it is rated R. If it was rated PG-13 it would probably have already earned 300-400 million easily.
BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-18-2012 10:07 AMThat was the pay off Ridley was trying to make...
If he had gone PG 13 then we would have ended up with a movie more close to a Avatar, Green Lantern or Avengers as far as how much Gore and Horror they could get away with.
They could have gone for a 18 which meant they could have topped Alien as far as Gore and Horror goes..
But i think they decided to go in between...
I would say that Prometheus 2 may carry on with similar ratting as Prometheus.
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Frantz
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 10:59 AMSince the movie is doing VERY WELL with an R rating so the sequel will be R to ..but forget giger porn ....
Jett
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 1:44 PMPrometheus is doing very well indeed, and to try to say that it isn't by comparing it to the success of Madagascar, an entirely different type of film, is nothing but moronic horseshit.
Prometheus is off in it's own corner as a sci fi film while the vast majority of other summer films are in the fantasy/comic book vein that is being milked on it's way out...these trends come and go, as will sci fi when it reaches it's zenith this time around.
Ridley Scott has never made a PG anything sci fi film and Fox has been clear and public about their intention to fully back Scott up on whatever his vision is.
Giger will recede into the background, Scott's own statements attest to that. Giger was great in it's day, bring on the new wave. Even H.R. Giger himself has said that is in the past, he doesnt work in that realm anymore.
Bluesfool
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 1:45 PMThe movie is clearly going to be 14A. 18A will render zero sales and Pg-13 will ruin the movie. Same director changes of rating does not happen very often, but refer back to jurassic park and its first sequel. the lost world did quite well, but that is because it went from a lower rating to 14A. Prometheus is already 14A for good reason. Going higher would be foolish. Going lower would be foolish.
Custodian
MemberOvomorphJun-19-2012 3:09 AMJett,
I agree, Giger has painted his nightmares. Good for him, well exhumed. But I specifically meant "the adult permeation of those paintings, as art direction". Something more sinister than a Fifield zombie-hack'n'f'ing-slasher rollercoaster plaything.
Something a tad more serious, more adult, like GATACA in tone, but with the lovely Gigerish visuals.
:)
Bluesfool,
I understand the Corporate Sellout regarding PG14 etc but I don't agree.
:)
Remember in THE DA VINCI CODE, there was a suspected WOMAN at the table of Christ's Last Supper? The PG-13 version of Prometheus2 might look like this, with Dr Shaw among the Disciples, and David collecting his 30 pieces of Eternity.
[img]http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/images/milan/last-supper/resized/last-supper-detail-john-wc-pd.jpg[/img]
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 10:35 AMI've just gone back in an re-watched A L I E N as a little twenty years ago treat for me.
One thing that really stands our for me (no pun intended) is the adult nature of that escape pod seduction scene.
The one where Ripley voyeurs the coy little creature, reluctant to reveal his shiny-carapace retractable-mouth nakedness to a stripped down human stepping backwards into a SPACE SHEATH, from within that glass closet.
The whole (wonderfully sleazy) scene says, "I'm gonna FUCK you," that's Ripley to the beast.
Now, that's an adult mind game, that's what I mean by 'adult content' that threat that use of the wiles; sorta like the way the Borg Queen was the ultimate seducer; the way vampires hypnotise to possess and control.
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:29 AMwondering if PARADISE is where all the 'female' Creators build Engineers/Pilots?
:)
I think Shaw will be fine, David might get through on a non-organic technicality.
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Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphJun-24-2012 11:33 AMI don't think what they released needed the R rating to be honest, and I think kids are seeing and hearing worse shit in their living rooms every day on CoD matches that their parents allow them to play online with everyone else that shouldn't possess the game/s.........
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphJun-26-2012 1:40 AMR-rating doesn't necessarily mean willies and bums, it can also mean ADULT PHILOSOPHICAL OR ARTISTIC content that would by-pass the average teen.
I'm thinking of films like [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090798/]Caravaggio[/url] and/or [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/]Network[/url] and/or [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330229/]Dolls[/url], [i]adult content[/i] but would seem rubbish to kids just looking for Speed-like Battleship-like explosions and stuff.
Having said that, "I want Paradise to be THE most adult, THE most surreal, THE most brutal, THE most rivetting Alien-franchise-like film there has ever been made."
You know what I mean.
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 4:06 AMThe other aspect of the R-rating issue might be something like this, where ALIEN MASTERS (yes, Gods of the Engineers) are playing with the soft-blue-white giants like they're toys, swapping pieces, fixing, rearranging, ENGINEERING the Engineers.
[img]http://waynebarlowe.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/barlowe_examination.jpg[/img]
Might make sense as to why there are Elephant-suited versions and bio-pilot versions and normal mongoloid-looking versions; they're all PROTOTYPES or DALLIANCES OF THE GODS.
Maybe some of these 'experiments' ESCAPED and that's who's going round the universe seeding planets; maybe they're being hunted down by the ALIEN BREED/HIVE, in the reflective way Deckart went after Batty and his crew in Blade Runner - Mount Olympus (standing in for the Runner Police) is still a valid backdrop to this quest/cleansing.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
Custodian
MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 4:25 AMseems like the natives are HYPER KEEN for a seriously [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/9512]18-certificate version of PARADISE or Prometheus 2[/url].
I'm not so concerned with the 18-cert blood and gore content, just the RELIGIOUS/SEXUAL/CULTURAL adult nature of such an insane battle charge across the cosmos to Meet Our Maker.
Oh, let me choose randomly from Mr Giger's world of obsessive absolution: in PARADISE, this metamorphic quality of 'visual detail' should become 'editorial detail' as scenes and diaogue and character morph together in ever-shifting patterns - that's the price of Paradise, loss of self, re-absorbtion back into BLACK PHOENIX.
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Just how many of Ridley Scott's films have explored a socio-poitical or religious INVASION narrative? I can think of 'quite a few'...
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Solaris
MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 7:51 AM@Big Dave regarding PG13 version being toothless like AVATAR:
I don't think so. Reducing gore in the Fifield attack scene would not reduce the other strong elements already present int he movie. HAve you seen CSI? Week after week of realistic gory scenes of decapitation, gun wounds, limbs torn to pieces, bodies being dissoved in chemicals etc etc. HOUSE MD produced by Fox regularly features close up of body being cut open, bloody gloves, heaving organs being sliced open etc. This movie could have gotten a PG13 rating (LORD OF THE RINGS movies are far more consistently violent and get a PG13 because of cute Hobbits) because they never take that R rating as far as it could. Look at Giger's art and imagine what Fox could achieve in terms of true body horror. They should get David Cronenberg for PROMETHEUS 2 and be done with it. He is getting softer in his old age and probably is just right for a big budget SF horror film.
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