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Thousands Of Eggs

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Gavin

MemberTrilobite12/28/2011
We all have our opinions and hopes as to what we think will and won't appear in Prometheus. One recurring theme seems to be that many want answers to all the questions posed in Alien. And of those questions one sticks out more than most... "Where did all those eggs on board the Derelict come from?" Of course, some have tried to answer this with this theory... "A Facehugger gets onto the face of the Space Jockey, and a Queen Xenomorph comes out, burns a hole in the floor, heads into the bowels of the Derelict and lays all the eggs." Although on the face of things this seems to make sense there are problems with this theory... 1. The eggs are arranged in an organised fashion. By this I mean the eggs are only found in the "troughs" of the egg chamber. If a Queen had laid the eggs it would stand to reason that the eggs would be found throughout the egg chamber, not neatly nestled in the "troughs" only. 2. The eggs are protected by a layer of "laser-mist", which stands to reason that the chamber was purposefully designed to house the eggs. Aside from plot based problems, there are also creative problems regarding the "Queen laid all the eggs" theory... 1. Ridley Scott has stated that he always envisioned the Derelict as a bomber, that would deploy the Aliens eggs onto unsuspecting worlds. 2. Ridley Scott has also stated that he doesn't like the Queen idea, thus the chances of him embracing it are next to none. The thing is this... ...There is no need for all these theories to explain how come the Derelict is carrying thousands of eggs, just a bit of logical thinking... [b]Derelict visits planet A and drops a full cargo of Xenomorph eggs, then visits planet B (a planet where eggs have previously been deployed), after the Xenomorph has used up all suitable hosts, and subsequently died. All that would remain would be thousands of eggs, which it would then pick up for use on another planet. Then return to planet A etc. etc. ... No queen necessary, just an unfortunate planet.[/b]

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Jeffomorph

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
I'll give you my best guess--keeping in mind the evidence we see in ALIEN and how Prometheus could tie into it. 1) I don't think the eggs in the derelict are a product of whatever came out of the Space Jockey. They are too neatly arranged and the blue laser mist is technology based. Even though the mist was added because "it looked cool at a concert", I can't ignore it. I think the eggs are definately cargo/payload based. 2) The acid burn tunnel from the Jockey room down to the egg chamber is really difficult to explain. I wish they had just found a hatch, but I'm guessing they were trying to do some forshadowing of things to come. So here is my theory in all it's crazy glory. The derelict type ship is a living organism and has a three engineer crew. The pilot wears the jockey suit as it provides an interface to the ships controls. 1) Engineer #1 becomes infected with a face hugger and gets chest bursted. Chest burster consumes host to grow. 2) New Xeno captures Engineer #2 and starts convirting him into an egg. The ship is huge so I'm assumng this stuff is being down in out of the way places. 3) Engineer#3 goes looking for Engineer#2 and find the egg. He gets a face hugger kiss. 4) Engineer#3 wakes up after hugger drops off and either attempts to crash the ship in an out of the way planetoid (nice guy jockey theory), or complete the bombing run mission he was initially planning (not so nice guy jockey theory). 5) Engineer#3 crawls into his jockey suit and starts piloting the ship. He also sets off the beacon before getting chest bursted. Now.. Sometime between step 3 and 5, Engineer#3 blast/kills the original Xeno and causes the acid tunnel down into the egg chamber. 6) Chest burst either wanders off onto the planetoid, or somewhere else in the ship and dies.

Juxtapose

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
@ Jeffomorph u got a very funny nick....i dunno why but it makes me laugh..... Anyway i my opinion the laser mist was just a cool look back in the seventies when disco came out....i don't c it bearing any kind of significance to the plot....seriously! But i don't mind if I am proven wrong!

centaurian_slug

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
thinking out of the (egg) box, (i) Maybe the Xenomorph ("super-male" world colonizer) is the real force behind the transport, (ii) the pilot really is just that... a biomechanoid chauffeur/bus-driver; see the "Battlestar Galactia" Hybrids. (iii) like awakening from stasis, a xeno just happens to get to chest burst it's driver as a matter of course "thanks!" it could be a generation ship too. After having seen so many decades with the "Xeno-biological-weapon-bomber-and-weapon-backfired" theory, it would be nice if the answer was far stranger :) see my other thread , "interstellar travel and evolution". and recall.. we're being told there is a 3rd force in the film , neither Spacejockey, nor Xeno, at play. (my guess is: the species-corrupting DNA itself will be what makes SJ,Alien, and possibly humans too - from that quote and from the quote that we'll "see the xeno but we won't recognize it") I think we all agree if Prometheus is merely a film contrived to end up with a derelict-crashing-with-eggs-and-chestburst-pilot (like star-wars prequel trilogy , thing prequel etc) we'll be disappointed. a tangential-connecting movie rather than pure prequel , we're being promised..

Kayg920

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
If there is no queen in the RS universe how did the eggs get there?

Jeffomorph

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
[quote]If there is no queen in the RS universe how did the eggs get there? [/quote] In the original ALIEN there was a deleted scene showing Brett being mutated into an egg and Dallas cocooned next to him. [quote]I think we all agree if Prometheus is merely a film contrived to end up with a derelict-crashing-with-eggs-and-chestburst-pilot (like star-wars prequel trilogy , thing prequel etc) we'll be disappointed. a tangential-connecting movie rather than pure prequel , we're being promised..[/quote] I agree with you there. Personally, I don't want to see the above scenario played out in any form. I'll be happy knowing a little more about the species of alien is that is sitting in the chair and what they are up to. Friend or Foe, etc

Gavin

MemberTrilobite12/28/2011
I'm not saying there is no such thing as a Queen, what I'm saying is that in all likelihood the thousands of eggs on board the Derelict were picked up from a planet the Space Jockeys had just wiped clean (because once all suitable hosts have been used up the Xenomorphs would die, leaving behind their eggs).

Micro changes in air density

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
The whole premise of this theory is that the jockeys are inherently evil. Why engineer such a monster to use as a weapon. I never bought into the idea that the xeno was a weapon. Only WY saw it as such. I agree the eggs on the derelict looked loaded rather than laid. From my readings of Alien and it's basis thirty years ago I got the impression there was never going to be a mother or queen but they simply used their prey to regenerate. So where do the eggs come from? They must be some kind of cross breed between the sj and humans. Unless there is something we don't know about.

artyoh

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
I think you can all but count on the the Jockeys ( our creators ) as being inherently evil because I'm not quite sure how benevolent sky-daddies who love us would ever work in an "Alien" flick. If, in the course of the story, we learn that our race is actually the product of evil, highly advanced beings, that raises a host of unsettling issues and ironies. If they're wise and loving, not so much.

Ghost Solitare

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
I'm just going to put this out there even if it gets all shot to hell. The scene in Alien where Brett and Dallas are being repurposed sort of says it all. If the Xenomorph's rogue DNA is able to resequence and organise any DNA it encounters. If left alone who know's what might have hatched from those "Brett" and "Dallas" embryo's. Now that aspect is exclusive to RS's original film. There were no subsequent colonists being transformed at Hadley's Hope so we can all agree on that. If what is in the Ampules is raw material, and the Xenomorph's genetic material can transform anything it encounters, well you saw how fast a face hugger went through that faceplate and got itself some Kane candy! The ampules would be only a minor obstruction if something wanted to get in there. The Xenomorph applies resin to objects to fix them in place while the gestation takes place. Bacteria can produce acidic environments, intellegent nanobacteria can probably encapsulate and dissolve the ampules in order to get that raw material neccessary to propogate and multiply. The entire floor between the eggs is matted with an organic resin and a network of fibers and veins. I always believed that the Laser Field was to keep the facehuggers IN. Perhaps a last effort on the part of that surviving engineer to contain things. In the end it's all just conjecture, we will have to see what RS decides is canon.

Spartacus

MemberOvomorph12/28/2011
How much weight or impact and influence the deleted scenes from the Director's cut of Alien have on Ridley Scott's finished product remains to be seen but IMO your theory raises that brilliant question as well as some other extremely interesting issues.

danrald

MemberOvomorph12/29/2011
Ghost Solitare, I think James Cameron kinda messed up with the whole Alien action movie, making a queen. But to fix that, we can say that one of the members of the LV-426 colony got stung by a bee, then the facehugger planeted a alien in the member that got stung.. lol.

Gavin

MemberTrilobite12/29/2011
Using the Aliens in such a way does not necessarily make the Space Jockey's evil. If they use them on planets filled with wildlife to create artificial extinction events (a theory I previously posted) to encourage the development and evolution of intelligent life, then the Aliens purpose fits in with that of the Space Jockey's, to creation and nurturing of life to create intelligent life.

Bishop77

MemberOvomorph12/29/2011
are you saying the queen should not exist? one of the best ideas of the whole saga was a sort of mistake? don't tell me that... luke

Gavin

MemberTrilobite12/29/2011
I never said the Queen should not exist, the Queen could work in this scenario, All I'm saying is that the thousands of eggs on board the derelict were most likely gathered from a planet the Jockeys had previously cleaned.

b5historyman

MemberOvomorph12/31/2011
I've posted this on another part of the board. This is my analysis of the Alien Lifecycle that was used as part of the background material to the Colonial Marines Technical Manual [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/b5historyman/]Alien Life cycle chart[/url] I tried to rationalise the seemingly disparate versions of the lifecycle based on the first 3 films. I posited in associated notes that there was the possibility of an Alien Queen corpse somewhere in the hold of the derelict laying undiscovered
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