How did a Queen egg end up inside the Sulaco?

I've always wondered what exactly are The Company/Weyland-Yutani weaponising against in the first place? Other than going to exterminate the Xenomorph they had intentions in Alien for their bio-weapons division to weaponise the Xenomorph. But again against who? Or what? Is there an external threat in the galaxy that we are not aware of but exists in the minds of the characters?

Are humans at war with the Engineers and that legacy is going on in the back ground in Alien and Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection?

I wonder if Alien: Covenant and the subsequent sequels to it will open up on that?

Who or WHAT are The Company preparing for or to go to war against, hence the need for bio-weapons? Bio-weapons against what???

What Will Paradise Look Like?

Maybe if there was some sort of black liquid blast-wave, it could have rode-up over some of the highest point mountain tops and, as a result, it may have protected some of these little inlets, fjords of greenery and bays that allowed vegetation to still continue as the death wave (if indeed, that's what was the cause of the catastrophe there) rode-up over them and dissipated in the atmosphere... (??? We'll soon find out!)

How did a Queen egg end up inside the Sulaco?

Alright S.M.

Some others were suggesting that Bishop, when out-of-sight, was being tampered with inside his programming in secret, making him go-off and do manipulative things regarding the undermining of the mission and the group there.

How did a Queen egg end up inside the Sulaco?

Have you not been reading all of this thread? Others have stated that he was reprogrammed or had his programming interrupted hence the term I used: "interrupted mode". Can't you work it out S.M?

And while we are at it, why are you deliberately going-out-of-your-way to keep nit-picking at everything I say upon here? 

I already told you lets get along and what accompanies that is to stop deliberately trying to antagonise and goad people. Why can't you just get involved in the spirt of conversation(s) that I am trying to initiate with others and could also have with you if you just let it, but still, I can sense sarcasm in your questioning everything I try and talk about instead of just letting conversations flow between us freely. There's still this attitude you have and I have already pointed you out on it so are you going to make a genuine effort to try and actually converse with me properly S.M instead of continuing along with your sarcasm by dressing it up in apparent "only asking a question"... which we-both know your just being deliberately difficult towards anything I try and say.

I've already tried to explain myself to you and another upon a previous thread but it sounds like you in particular are not prepared to co-operate in return But I am not going to be hassled off of here by you!

How did a Queen egg end up inside the Sulaco?

Bishop does fly around for a bit when Ripley thinks he has abandoned her and Newt. Maybe he had another "interrupted moment" within his programming and n that time managed to retrieve an egg from the nursery, get back in the ship and fly over to rendezvous back with Ripley, Newt.

Also, in his apparent "interrupted mode" I can imagine him in some ways being able to commune with the alien Queen to do what he is planning but, as with the Engineer in Prometheus, after David finished communing with that being it turned on him and ripped off his head. Maybe after he made a deal with the devil with the Queen in is altered-state programing is when She turns on him when he is back to is regular-programming mode.  

Corporal Hicks... Did he just drop a Jennifer Lawrence-shaped Newt hint?

That is compelling suggestions that you present there BigDave!

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Thank you Facehuggers/BigDave!

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O.k... Monster Zero/S.M - I was going to follow-up or rather I should have added more clarity to the subject I was mentioning. Of course there would have to be other set pieces, action, suspense, drama, chills, etc. and I didn't mean to sound as though all Ripley would do through the entire film was just transcend/ascend, no. Of course not! There would, without a doubt, have to be more, and I was wondering if Bloomkamp was going to make a two-part film like Twilight: Breaking Dawn parts 1 & 2.

Alien 3.0 (+1) would be a pondering, building of foreboding and dread much like the first Alien intermittent with action, Alien 3.0 (+2) would be rising to a crescendo much in the same vein as Aleins but I stress not to copy both films but add reversals so elements of Aliens inspiration are in Alien 3.0 (+1) and elements of Alien are in Alien 3.0 (+2).

But with regard to my suggesting of Ripley's "infection" and eventual ascention/transcending  that would take place at the mid point of either one film or midway through the second part film. Like in Star Trek, the motion picture, that woman becomes exactly duplicated half way through the film then in the last say 20minutes Decker goes through the transcending process and disappears. Well, I just figured that as-well-as other insurmountable obstacles being included within the story like Xenomorphs and investigation the possible second Engineer/Space Jockey Juggernaught the inclusion of an infected Ripley storyline could be added. 

Think of it like Excaliber, with King Aurthur, the Engineers try tampering, manipulating, drinking the black liquid and it is always met with the same result: as if the liquid itself knows who is pure-of-heart and who is not (like the Venom tar-thing in Spiderman 3 has a sentient intelligence even though it was evil mainly in that, the thing did still think and display an order of thinking) and-so the black liquid destroys those whom it thinks (if it does think) who are not worthy (Milburn/Fifield too) yet those who are "chosen" by some unknown devine right - even to themselves - it makes them trancscend into their own personal ascention right to a higher order.

Perhaps Ripley is one of the few "chosen ones" who this happens to. The black liquid to Ripley is the same equivalent of only Aurthur being the "chosen one" to pull Excaliber or Excaliber letteing Aurthur pull it out of the rock. It could happen to her midway through say the second film if they did it that way and as in The Fly and The Thing the visiable changes begin to show. Then by the last half an hour say of the films climax as with Shaw in Prometheus she is trying to escape from the Engineer taking off only this time imagine that it is a changed Ripley deliberately trying to take off in a Juggernaught/ancient Juggernaught/ancient "workable" Derilict and eveacuate herself and whatever nightmare may be aboard ship.

Maybe time travel is not what she was originally planning to do just fly away, maybe into the nearest star or a black hole. Maybe time traveling back into the past was an unforeseen consequence/cause and effect she had not anticipated and only succeeded in making matters even worse for the galaxy because now she has served to unleash the alien Xeno onto into the past histories of an unsuspecting universe. And in doing-so perhaps the ancient Engineer/Elders came across an exotic/newly configured Juggernaught design and they began back/forwards engineering the design and hence that is why, for some reason in their past, their ship designs went from round, saucer-shaped  to wish-bone shaped.

Added to that, they discover the alien Xeno eggs and it is at that point in the past that an "evolved" Ripley has served to introduce an element into the ancient Elders lives which bring about the coming of the Engineers/ Titans war of attrition with their own kind and it leads up to the races eventual downfall. This is much like in-keeping with the Planet Of The Apes history being pre-ordained to happen regardless so someone going into the past becomes part of history that will effect their destiny leading up-to and after their birth. They are destined to be caught-up in a convoluted time loop.

Corporal Hicks... Did he just drop a Jennifer Lawrence-shaped Newt hint?

BigDave - Where I can buy your Rhonda Rousey pitch for looks, action stamina for older Newt she could be like Dave Baustia has become in supporting roles of an action angle. But to Bregos point, that is true what he says about the perfect actress to tap into all that internalised trauma of a little girl now inside a grown womans body and how to cope with that life changing 'effect' upon her - should the production crew wish to pursue that narrative story arc for all characters involved.

One other actress who I have compared pictures with young Newt as opposed to what an older Newt would look like is Abbie Cornish She kicked-ass in Sucker Punch and many other pics of her could by comparison pass as an older Newt juxtaposed next-to the picture of the youger one. Still, her age as compared to what they may be looking for (25+maybe) could b an issue - perhaps. Still, she looks pretty young and could possibly pass for the older age category they may be looking for.

   

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S.M. Keep your sour-grapes tone in check!

We're just talking here!

As far as I am aware there is no cause for your piss-ant attitude towards me, I'm just making hypothesis here to ponder without having you put your sarcastic two-cents-worth into it!

Can't we just generally chit-chat and get along...?

I'm not your enemy... Just try and make an effort if you will... It was just ideas to throw around and wonder about...

So if we could both get back on topic if not about this idea then some other, that would be welcome...  

 

Corporal Hicks... Did he just drop a Jennifer Lawrence-shaped Newt hint?

Yes, I like Chris Pratt/Jennifer Lawrence but there has to be a cap on there being this "safe" Hollywood bet all the time.

My Emily Blunt argument/reasoning would only be put into doubt with regards to her age gap. Not sure if Blunt would fit the age appropriate requirement(s) for the character of an older Newt. I'm sure they could make-up some good techniques but she looks good and can pass for reasonably young anyway. She's HOT!! :-)

 

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It would be interesting if there was a multiple dimension angle to proceedings and the next incarnation we get is an alternate timeline/parallel universe to 'our own' Alien universe that cause and effects go both ways so in alternate universe (Bloomkamp Universe) the Ripley there is "ghosted" space/time-temporal displacement-wise with Alien 3/Alien: Resurrection Ripley and vice-versa. Each one apparanly having visions of the others temporal experience in their own respected universe.

So for example, Ripley wakes up having a nightmare in Aliens as a result of her experiences in the event of Alien, it would be interesting in the third incarnation of the series in-keeping with the "dream-theme" there is a scene-or-two where Ripley does indeed have nightmares that are ghosting effects from her temporal counterpart in the events of Alien 3/perhaps Alien: Resurrection.

Is LV-426 an extrasolar capture?

Perhaps the planetoid in its whirling orbit over eons of time slowly made the rock formations become "frozen" in their "pulled back" contortion(s).

The gravitational electo-magnetic field lines are what the rock formations are seemingly "riding back/leaning back" on/following in their "petrified" state(s).

In Avatar the rock arches are formed from ancient flux-vortex anomalies that become physically exposed and open to the elements when the rock formations erode away at the peripheral out-croppings but the central curving "worm-like" curved rock-arches are left behind because they are denser magnetically in its central core of the arch(s). The same effect is apparent from the base-ground up in Monument Valley. The same effect(s) could be/could have been apparent upon ancient LV-426. 

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What if Ripley somehow encounters the Black Liquid, or it is stumbled across by the modern-day decendants within the Alien universe (aka: Ripley, Newt, Hicks, Bishop, etc.) but somehow it has "fermented" in all that time since Humans encountered it during the events of Prometheus and Ripley somehow becomes "infected" but for her it is different - now.

Somehow, she begins to ascend or she knows she is "infected" and does not know it will make her ascend INTO a higher order of being: an Engineer! The first female Engineer since, well, when-ever!

Like The Fly she is going to transform into SOMETHING and she knows it so here's where Bloomkamps conceptual artwork comes into play.

Somehow, during the ascention process (see V's the Star Child when the little girl of Newts age transforms inside a chrysalis into a young woman and the Deltan woman who, along with Commander Decker, transcended into a higher lifeform in Star Trek: The Motion Picture) Ripley begins rumblings of the transcending effects into the Mother Engineer (Ripley herself becoming the Egyptian celestial goddess Nute, ironic, she is now become like Newt in similar namesake) and has to take the now ancient Derilict or second Juggernaught but ancient no less due to possibly being found elsewhere from original Derilict.

Because it is old and becoming defunct she now has brooding knowledge due to the transcending effects and knows exacltly how to pilot the gargantuan thing!

Somehow, there is a perilous, insuing disaster that she was desperately hoping to avoid coming very soon so in the escape she places the 2nd ancient Juggernaught into timeslip mode and in travelling further away or so she thinks she actually travels into the past along the curving arc of her comendered ships flight path.

Somehow she is knowingly or unknowingly carrying Xeno eggs but what she has not considered or only JUST comprehended upon her arrival (think Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home self-fulfilling time-loop) that she has just brought the Xenos past the point/events of Prometheus before they were even created or even existed in the universe prior to the events of Prometheus that we know of.

Again, she is infected (see Alien 3) and yes, you guessed it crash lands upon LV-426 - THUS, BECOMING the Space Jockey and the slef-fulfiling instigator of the alien cycle and its outbreak into the galaxy in the first place - if it doesn't already exist during this time - YES - 2000 years ago. Or at least several centuries with the Derilict already in an ancient delapadated condition now being taken back to a much earlier event in the past and crash landed at that only add to the ancient weathering, wear-n-tear effect upon its entire hull structure.

Yes, it may change our perception of the Space Jockey and some may want to keep the idea that itself is yet another alien race separate from The Engineers and the Engineer Elders and the Xeno. It could en-up being Shaw who ascended/transcended to thus become in a continual time-loop the Space Jockey. Or the Space Jockey could be the thousand to million year hence result in alien Xeno evolution somehow BECOMES the Space Jockey in a strange life form transformation from a primitive "predator species" such as reptiles and evolved itself into a more wisened creature! Stranger things have happened and that was only on Earth!

If you all will permit me and the administration team I would very-much like to start an entire thread just on this topic alone and would like to paste all this info here into it to see what other reactions/comments may come from it.

Administration Team, your co-operation on this matter would be most grateful!! 

 

 

Corporal Hicks... Did he just drop a Jennifer Lawrence-shaped Newt hint?

That's alright: Something Real! No probs! :-) 

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Big Dave, Where those choices in an older Newt would be interesting, I thought an actress like Emily Blunt would make for compelling casting. My reasoning for it is this:

With regard to some of Jennifer Lawrence's films she is 'into' the acting and is in he characters head, like the film she as in with Bradley Cooper (I forget what it is called at present) as in the X-Men films everyone is having fun while being 'in-character'.

Similar with Scarlet Johannesen, she has been in quite a few impressive character driven roles where is is just having a blast as Black Widow in the Marvel universe and as Lucy but consider Sigourney Weaver when she entered the role, she was a character driven, nuanced actress in approaching the mindset of Ripley. For this reason I feel the Emily Blunt, when you scour through much of her past work, she is a very emotional, vunerable actor in her approach to her characters head space: case in point The Young Victoria.

Yes, she has been in films just to have a blast too like Edge Of Tomorrow and looks like a real emotional tough cookie in Sicario which lends weight to the case, for me, that she could invest that tough, yet emotional vunrability entrapped within the Alien universe pitted against the Xenomorph and all its horrors like a younger Weaver and Carrie Henn did.   

 

 

 

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Alien: Timescape...

Space Jockeys are Engineers?

S.M. I was referring to the Engineers demeanour, i.e: their height, weight, the Engineers have a presence, I'm certain that when the Space Jockey was at maximum height, weight, "DEMEANOR" it conveyed a sense of authority. 

Space Jockeys are Engineers?

It could explain why they are not quite the same height, weight, demeanour, ect.

Space Jockeys are Engineers?

Maybe the Engineers are/were secretly envious of the Space Jockeys and had modelled THIER entire civilization upon them?

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This idea conjures up the very same suggestive feeling as Blade Runner posed: "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?" or in this case, are Human Beings memeories, thoughts and dreams being probed, tampered and manipulated with by some unseen - potentially higher - force?

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It looks both like Ripley's space helmet at the end of Alien and Shaw and Co's helmets in Prometheus. They each have that mechanism nodule upon the top of the head... more-so with the Prometheus crews space helmets...

Rapace to Reprise her role in Alien Covenant

I've thought of Shaw as the human incarnation of the alien efigy of the alien god giving birth to the life cycle ad the ancient Egyptian creation goddess Nute gave birth   to the universe. Shaw herself has played a part in giving birth to the alien life cycle, I'm betting that's intentional. It's also interesting Nute and Newt. Slighly differemt spelling but the similarities and potential implications behind them both are evident and obvious to speculate upon.

The Derelict, Juggernaut and Elder Noobernaut-Pebble Ship: Built or Grown?

Lone, with regard to the Juggernaught and The Derilicts long and winding corridors I've always wondered why they are the shape of a heart or kidneys. Next  time you get a chance watch when the giant hologram is activated by David or when Fifield activates his remote "Pups" and they fly off down the long and winding corridors,  they are clearly out of proportion for an Engineer to walk down or make practical use of the narrower space on the inner track of the corridor configuration. In Alien when Dallas and Co. are navigating the Derilct the corridors have that left/right  kidney, or heart, configuration. Again, unless it plays into the notion that the ship, if at both "horizontal" and "vertical" angles can be in use while moving through these acute manuvers then perhaps in lower gravity fields the corridors are traversed while occupants are hovering. Or, while in the temple there is lower gravity in there for what-ever reason as compared to that outside so the getting from A-to-B is more of a fluidic experience.

The Derelict, Juggernaut and Elder Noobernaut-Pebble Ship: Built or Grown?

Hey Lone, when seeing the preview of Prometheus coming soon it showed the Juggernaught's prongs facing upwards toward the sky and Shaw is looking up at it, the camera tilting upwards with her as she            does so. We know now this was the result of the huge thing crashing down and wheel-e-ing down the hill towards Shaw and Vickers before slowing to a halt and thats where we tilt up with the camera it appeared in the original trailer to me that the Juggernaught was rising up out of the ground for a vertical take-off. This wasn't the case in the end and due to the unconventional confuguration of the gigantic thing in the first place its hard to tell what is truely up and down, left or right. I thought maybe the entire piloting seat/area was upon some sort of advanced magneto-gimble that could orient itself in any direction to counter the occilations of the rest of the hull if it so-choosed. Or act as a shock obsorber should the hull encounter a massive structural shock due to a collision or attack of some sort which is exactly what happened in the film. It would have been so cool to see the ship lifting off "vertically" almost similar to the ship at the beginning of Prometheus re-orienting itself from hovering horizontally like the Destroyers in Independence Day to the manuervering "vertical" ascending position as it approaches the upper atmosphere.

Totally premature Alien Covenant theory

Big Dave I would absolutely LOVE THE IDEA of those "planetary holographic projections" within the control chamber of the Juggernaught in Prometheus being galactic locations in their own right! I want to see this idea explored as I'm of the thinking that you can fall into a galaxies central black hole and ride an under-space or over-space inter-galactic/interstellar transit system coming out a galaxies black hole, close-too or much further away! I would fucking LOVE THAT IDEA! Travelling through objects an emerging from within them, inter-galactic/interstellar tardis-like effects!

And the idea that either the Engineers or their original "Masters/Creators" are lurking behind the curtains of the universe like a gigantic temporal tardis and that is potentially their long-lost temporal "paradise" is a huge idea! The possibility of closed dimensions, mirror universes and the space between space... I FUCKING LOVE IT!! :-)

Now your talking Big Dave! :-)

Totally premature Alien Covenant theory

I agree in events that possibly take place as you describe them Big Dave but I want to know how they get there, get around to them. For example how did they traverse all those distances to all those distant planetary systems? And to Earth and back? Unless all those hologram planets were just what they have observed from a distance but didn't physically go there to them, I don't know. But lets say that world at the begining of Prometheus was in fact a primeval Earth (we're not sure now due to the editing down of the film) how and by what means did they traverse the vast distances of space to there and voyage back again? Don't you want to see that explained upon film? I want to see how it is done. It's not satisfying to have it always implied in the background and assumed they jump from here to there to over there between film edits and jump-cuts.

I was wondering if that holographic map of the Engineers was the transit systems they have explored in space like their version of a galactic underground/subway system all linked together with wormholes potentially anchored to massive stellar objects like the stars of those very same systems like our Sun (perhaps thats how they get here, through the Sun Spots that act as temporal enterences and exits from within our own system) or the gas giants that reside within those systems too like our Jupiter, Saturn of the parent planets to LV-426 or indeed, LV-223...

Totally premature Alien Covenant theory

Hmmm.... Well what would be wrong with option 4? We have to assume these things crop-up in the Alien/Prometheus universe as a means to get around... Why have people got a problem with the inclusion of wormholes/black holes/time travel within these films? I want to see how they get around the galaxy explained and explained clearly and if the partial use of wormholes or a black hole(s) or time displacment from one point to another is the means by which they do it then I can accept that. They must do it somehow!....

Totally premature Alien Covenant theory

In tandem with what your saying Big Dave and in addition to FTL capabilities and the "possible" use of wormholes as was the case in Contact, couldn't both Prometheus and Covenant use gravitational assists from large stellar objects adopting the classic "gravitational sling-shot effect" to get them to their prospective destinations? Think Pioneers 1 & 2 and Voyagers 1 & 2 doing the Grand Tour of the Solar System. Could this technique not be a fundamental prerequsite for attaing vast distances above or below normal space, opting to move through Bulk space and in doing-so 4 or 5 dimensional reality for travel is the norm?...

Totally premature Alien Covenant theory

Maybe, as with Independence Day: Resurgence a "forward engineering" of fusing alien tech with our own to give us an accelorated advantage In secret Weyland Industries and/or Untani have in their possesion an alien Juggernaught which they have "forward engineered" onto existing "Human Tech" of the near-future times for humanity that are to come technologically.

They could have deciphered the concept of its propulsion system(s) and found a way to intergrate it and make the alien tech more user-friendly with our own. That could go some ways to explain how the concept of FTL travel became a breakthrough for Humans in such a short space of time in the Weyland history of time.   

And for Blade Runner I always thought it should be something like 2119 for the date at the begining . . .

 

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Yes, lol! Good-on-you fella' for that!  - HyperNova :-)

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OHHHH  FFFFUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!

Point taken! I should have known better I guess, huh!? :-)

 

I'll get rid of this promptly! Well done you for that!

Alien: Paradise Lost will apparantly be called: Alien: Covenant (working title perhaps?)

Yes Ruhaniya!! GOOD-ONE!! lol!!

Real good-one!!

You got me there!!!

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Alien: Paradise Lost will apparantly be called: Alien: Covenant (working title perhaps?)

Don't forget there was "The Ark Of The Covenant" if you remeber your Raiders Of The Lost Ark and of course scripture from the Bible if you believe  in that sort of thing.

If the "Covenant" is in direct relation to a ship as it was with the Prometheus then perhaps there is more of a direct/indirect connotation and implied meaning to the alleged powers contained within the chest that supposedly carried within it the actual Ten Commandments.

Perhaps the ship: Covenant carries within it certain powers/energies that puts it on-par with the Ark Of The Covenant itself!......

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Fourth stage.

I even wondered if the Engineer and their towering form is the result of tampering with a humans DNA, siting Shaws comment: "They are us..." or something like that. The Engineers are connected to us as how we see ourselve as Humans. If it goes right you result in the chalk-grey/white Engineer presence but if proper guidlines are not in place for gradual mutated growth and assimilation of said DNA then you get a runaway Fiflied effect/reaction....

Alien: Paradise Lost will apparantly be called: Alien: Covenant (working title perhaps?)

Wondering, due-to-the-fact that John Miltons Paradise Lost is copyrighted, therefore, Ridley Scott is not allowed to use the title within his title because it is too close to sounding like the original and perhaps the current copyright holders feel there is a bit of copyright infringment that is pitentially sullying the original works...

From Small Worms to Hammerpedes to Super-Massive Were Worms?

You make a compelling statement and there are huge implications as a concequence... By that reconing that the Hammerpede would likely not exceed any further growth then that implies there is a finite plateau that any being affected by the black liquid cannot exceed a certain size to far out of its evolutionart body mass. In short: the Liquid has limits and therefore it cuts to the heart of just how effective and destructive is it really?

As with Black Holes, as destructive as they are they are now believed to be essential and central, literally, for Galaxy evolutuon, to thus allow planetary evolution and thus life evolution. The implications for this and for sequels that may further explore this theme of Genisis may suggest that the Black Goo is the liquid version of Black Holes... They are no respecter nor hater of celestial objects that orbit around them, so the case can be made for the Liquid and its effect upon existing life... Some it excellorates and augments, others it ravages and takes away...

Yutani coming?

What if another (sepeate) flight/mission followed along behind that of Prometheus'? By Yutani perhaps? Theymerely floated around in orbit and monitoref events of the Prometheus landing then thought twice before landing themselves when the whole affair went disaterously wrong for them...

That could explain how there could be another team of travelers that seemingly is in such close proximity to that of the first (?) and happens upon the survivors almost instantaneously in the " first act" as Ridley Scott said...

Ripley's connection in Alien: Paradise Lost?

(Continued from above)

Between Shaw and Davids narrative in their present and how the two parallel stories are juxtaposed with one-another. Events that Shaw and David set in motion in the past has direct or indirect bearing upon Ripleys future.

Ripley's connection in Alien: Paradise Lost?

Big Dave... Sigourney Weaver could be playing another Ripley, Maybe Ripley senior (her mother/grandmother) and Sigourney could have slight alternating facial make-up. We ser it all the time in Star Trek and othet shows where the same actor returns to play different characters each time. 

She could even be playong Ripley in her present timeline and it keeps jumping back in the interplay b

Not sure? Alien: Paradise Lost or Prometheus: Paradise Lost? As a title....

Yes, that's true. I can see the logic in that too...

Prometheus 2, 3 and 4 ?

Similar yet original visual spectacle suchvas thatof Interstellar... The idea of traversing the higher dimensions and potentially staying there for eternity... I think it would be awesome if the majority of the Engineers were now living in the higher dimension or dimensions and see how it is they got over thee in the first place... To them in relativity their entire race, if that is where they are,may have only been existing/living in the higher dimension(s) for only a few years - decades even give-or-take several generations depending upon their races reproductive cycle (if they still even have one) that implies at least are centuries... Several at most.

Ripley,Sulaco & Co. encounter/go into orbit around a black hole,somehow creating a paradox in space-time:2 Ripleys,2 Sul

I see, so BigDave do you think it is possible that the constellation of Orion in relation to the zoom-out from the Zeta Reticuli system is it a type of forced perspective giving the illusion of Zeta being further away an Orion being in front when in actual fact Orion is the one that is behind, bigger and much further away and Zeta is closer-in...? Or perhaps the two, although Orion looks bigger, are just in fact relatively side-by-side in space along a similar track...?

Ripley,Sulaco & Co. encounter/go into orbit around a black hole,somehow creating a paradox in space-time:2 Ripleys,2 Sul

Hello BigDave again...

I found some more information regarding black holes in closer proximity to the Zeta Reticuli and Earth systems.

According to this there may be one within the centre of Orion's Belt in the Trapezium Cluster. Here are two quotes, one about the possible discovery, the other below that what they thought it was until now.

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A black hole in the Orion Nebula?

An international team of astrophysicists says the famous Orion Nebula has a black hole at its heart, whose mass is some 200 times the mass of our sun. One of the most recognized constellations is Orion, with its three prominent Belt stars, or three stars in a short straight row on the sky’s dome. This constellation can be seen at night at this time of year, ascending in the east, visible from all parts of the globe. Last week (November 1, 2012), an international team of astrophysicists announced the result of their work in computer modeling, which suggests that a famous nebula – or cloud – in Orion known as the Orion Nebula has a black hole at its heart, whose mass is some 200 times the mass of our sun. If it exists, the black hole would reside somewhere between the four bright stars which mark the center of the Orion Nebula. These stars are known as the Trapezium.

The Trapezium stars are the four brightest stars in an open star cluster – known as the Orion Nebula Cluster – consisting of young stars, newly born (only one or two million years ago) from the Orion’s Nebula’s gas and dust. The Orion Nebula Cluster has long been known as peculiar. Its stars move at a rapid speed, as if the whole cluster were flying apart. If the cluster contained more high-mass stars, the speed of these stars would be easier to understand. But it doesn’t, and so astronomers have wondered why these stars move so rapidly. An international team of astrophysicists – led by Dr. Ladislav Subr of Charles University in Prague – set up a computer model of the Orion Nebula Cluster. The model required a new method of dealing with the gas in this region of space and the way it is driven out from the young star cluster by the intensely radiating high-mass stars of the Trapezium. The model showed that, as the gas was being driven outwards, the cluster began to expand. That explained why most stars in the Orion Nebula Cluster move so rapidly. Many of the heavy stars were sling-shot out of the cluster, while some were driven into the center of the cluster and collided with the most massive star there.

At some point, this massive star became unstable and imploded into a black hole, with a mass about 200 times larger than the sun. These scientists were excited about this result. They said the finding had: … dramatic implications for our understanding of how massive stars form and how such rich star clusters hatch from their gaseous cocoons. Having such a massive black hole at our doorstep would be a dramatic chance for intense studies of these enigmatic objects. Amateur astronomers will be excited, too! Now, as you gaze at the Orion Nebula, you can imagine a black hole at its heart. Bottom line: The Orion Nebula might have a black hole, according to an international team of astrophysicists. They made their announcement November 1, 2012 in the Astrophysical Journal. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Quadruple Star Theta Orionis - aka "The Trapezium"

A part of the Great Orion Nebula Theta Orionis is the noted quadruple, or multiple star, in the heart of the the Great Orion Nebula (M-42). This very young group provides the "power source" which lights up the nebula. It is known as "The Trapezium". Quote from Burnham's Celestial Handbook: "This is probably the best known multiple star in the sky, and one of the most interesting for the small telescope. The four brighter components form a little quadrangle called the "Trapezium" and the object is a favorite of all observers." "The ....... primary of the group (has) a visual magnitude of about 5.4; the spectral type is near 06. ......The spectra of (the second & third brightest stars) are BO and A7 respectively. The faintest star..... is an eclipsing binary with a period of 6.471 days, and is also known under its variable star designation which is "BM Orionis".

(The primary star) was in 1975 identified as an eclipsing binary with a period of 65.432 days and a visual range of 6.7 to 7.7." "The Trapezium is the bright core of a compact cluster of faint stars which may form an expanding association. Within 5' of the Trapezium are more than 300 stars brighter than 17th magnitude. A study of this group has been made by K.A.Strand; he finds some evidence for an expansion rate which would indicate an age of no more than 300,000 years, and make this one of the very youngest star clusters known."]

That all makes for interesting reading for me!

Also, do you have any information that shows any skymaps with Zeta Reticuli and the Orion System in proximity with each other? And do you know what distance it is from Zeta Reticuli to the Orion system? I've tried to find declination pictures and source other images but as yet have been unable to find anything as yet.

One other point, you may already know but in the Shaw/Holloway presentation in the begining of Prometheus Holloway shows the repeat constellation etchings from across the ages on Earth, it then morphs into the Zeta Reticuli hologram constellation and as they zoom back towards the vacinity of the Earth to hammer-home the point of the vast ditances between they're both talking about the zoom-out shows the constellation of Orion as they pass-by!

So for my proposal they could fall into the gravity well of the Trapezium Cluster within Orions Belt!

 

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BigDave... This is very interesting stuff you offer! And this is EXCELLENT news for me!!

These are fascinating and indeed intriguing thought points of information! The idea of V4641 Sagittarii possibly being in existence as an object in the first place but on top of that its a possible candidate for a black hole!! 

Just out of curiosity, from the point-of-view of LV-426 how long travel distance is it from there to V4641 Sagittarii? In other words my proposal has the Sulaco leaving orbit of LV-426 and encountering a freak stellar/interstellar phenomenon along the way. Maybe their trajectory taking them from the Zeta-Reticuli system and into a close fly- by of V4641 Sagittarii system/location.

It could be that they return home intact then for some reason goes out again but what I liked about Alien 3 for about two minutes it is set-up that the Sulaco encounters some sort of a problem but its that problem that kills-off everyone in an instant. I would like to at least have had a similar calamity looming upon the ship but in my scenario "Quantum Cloning" occurs and our characters/new characters are given more rollercoaster action/drama ride. Which is why I'd like to see the other plotlines explained away and get back to characters we really know and love, can invest a lot of our time in once more.

Plus, one reason why I wanted to include the Temporal Paradox concept is because as a plot mechanism it introduces the 'ticking clock' device as a means to give an impeding doom or crisis upon the horizon. I just wanted to use it as a way for the universe to 'Give' it first has to 'Take Away'. In this case, Quantum Clone the Sulaco, then the hand of providence takes away the Fiorina 'Fury' Ripley and the rest from the space-time continuim then welcoming the Quantum Copies back into the very same space-time continuim manifold.

Themes of all things being Cyclical. The Eternal Circle, The Cycle of Life etc. there are many themes to this idea down the long sweep of time.

With my idea suggestion I actually don't want a hypothetical film to dwell on the concept for too-long, just enough to justify the clear transition point of one time-space and continuim event into another but with the 'fork in the road' concept where we see both transitions splitting-off at the same time. One plotline we would know how it plays out with regard to the Alien 3/Resurrection story arc and would watch that version of the Sulaco heading off to its date with cosmic destiny. That ship would trail off-screen and we would know where it would eventually end up. In the meantime and at that same, exact time I would want to watch what would happen to the ship still in orbit around the Temporal Phenomenon in what ever shape-or-form that would take.

I just want a mechanism that LITERALLY brings us full circle back with Ripley and Co. and a justifiable age differentiation with them all. Because I like the idea of Ripley and Co. again, I don't want to see them all dead just with some clever thinking and writing fans can have the best of both worlds. Original canon is kept intact and expanded upon while at the same time thematically.

Also, with regards to the Prometheus ship supposedly going slower at or near-to the speed of light as compared to what the Sulaco could possibly do, is it not possible that in addition to the Prometheus' maximum speed could the Prometheus star mission have been pre-planned by the mission specialists to send the ship off encountering several gravitational assists from a curverture arc of stars along the way? It just uses Stars as Voyagers 1 and 2 used the planets within the Solar System to sligshot itself out of it altogether.

In addition, wouldn't the Prometheus need to be slowing down a few light years prior to the Zeta Reticuli system? In fact, wouldn't they need to either figure 8 around some stars close-in then as they encounter the Zeta 1 or 2 star which-ever one LV-426 and LV-223 and its parent planet are in orbit around wouldn't the Prometheus then need to run-up against the orbital spin of these stars so its own inertia rubs against the grain to that of the stars in an anti-orbit around them. Then on close approach to the parent planet wouldn't they need to go into orbit in an anti-orbit to the gas giants rotation as well, slowing it further until it could go into geo-sychronus orbit above an decend into LV-223?

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Hey BigDave...

I always thought that the term: Core Systems meant reference to the galactic core systems. However I sourced-out map images about colonized worlds within the Alien universe and I'm sure you already know so I don't mean to tell you what you may already know but it means: Core Systems from Sol's perspective outwards and so it now, as you rightly say, has an impact upon what my proposal would be hinged upon.

From this perspective and position/point in space the Super-Massive Black Hole at the centre of the galaxy would be just too far away for using ideas for the centre of the galaxy unless as you also said for some reason Original Ripley and Co. just jumped there for some reason then jumped back or just encounter something closer to the Core System area or just a bit further out.

Also, you are right that Ripley did not journey to the centre of the galaxy and back, I misinterpreted a design/scetch that I saw a while back. She would just have been drifting closer to the Core Systems then what I thought it was. She probably still got the odd gravitational assist slong the way before she was found.

Not sure if there are any black holes close to where the Core Systems are or not.

It's possible that the hypothosis is sound with the Quantum Duplication phenomenon its just the location where the Sulaco encounters it would be in a closer vacinity to the events of Alien universe perhaps the Prometheus universe.

 

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Yes BigDave...

If this idea I proposed was a viable, hypothetical option it is true that the 'phenomenon' in what ever shape-or-form that may take say the black hole option would have to take place further away from the centre of the galaxy perhaps and nearby the Zeta Reticuli system. So maybe that part of the plot could be moved over to take place within a closer system.

In all fairness though Ripley herself left LV-426 after Alien and drifted from one side of the galaxy, passing near-to the galactic Core Systems and was discovered floating through space on the far side. We don't know what time epochs they may be planning to dice with in this new film so it is speculative if were talking a mere few years, a few decades or centuries.

Don't forget Ripley has now left from this area twice now. Granted, the second time around the crew of the Sulaco may have left on a different trajectory possibly compared to her hasty departure the first time around. Unless she made a deliberate course correction in between the edit/cut from where she hit the ignite button an blew the Alien out into space via the escape pods thrusters, she could have encoded into the navigation computer a new heading which could have in fact in its most direct, linear path could have taken her very close by, almost skirting by the super-massive black hole at the galactic centre. Somehow I think she just got a gravitational assist by it and just had the shuttle craft do a wide-angle slingshot manuever to safely guide her around it because the nearest human colony and the Human Frontier was directly on the other side.

She also could have had the intention of doing all that and unbeknownst to her got an over-excess of gravitational assist and started an ever-so-slight spiral inwards and by sheer luck was flung-off at an unexpected, unforseen trajectory which contributed to her 57 year drifting through the galactic Local Core.

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Monster Zero...

That is true and also raises one gnawing plot-point that I would have to consider... Why wouldn't the Sulaco's internal AI navigational control system(s) simply know that the Super-Massive Black Hole is there and redirect the Sulaco so that it should not venture anywhere near the centre of the galaxy?

Surely the Colonial Marines and Weyland-Utani Corp. would have already have pre-programmed into the ships auto-navigational control not to venture into certain 'Red Zone' areas across the known explored regions of the galaxy.

Unless the centre of the galaxy by this time has not yet been explored by Human kind.

I would think it has at least been traversed near-to. There could be extenuating circumstances that causes the Sulaco to encounter a black hole or the central galactic black hole and some reason why the onboard AI systems did not take measures to redirect the ship in the first place.

It just requires taking the time to invent the double-paradox cunundrum as a result of black hole/worm hole/temporal annomoly and simply work backwards to what got it there or near there in the first place. Malfunction... external collision maybe by an incoming asteroid/space projectile...

Still, wouldn't the under mounted auto-guns of the Sulaco's external defence weaponry systems come online and take pot-shots at them like was seen at the beginning of the original Starship Troopers space gun defence platforms...?

Unless there was a higher plan to deliberately re-direct the ship as a form of sinister experimentation in quantum mechanics like was supposed to have been done to the USS Eldrige in The Philadelphia Experiment...

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Hi Monster Zero...

Yes, a wormhole in relation to every system they (the Engineers) have ever visited would make sense as to how they got around their local corner of the galaxy. Much like the Stargate in 2001: A Space Odyssey in permanent position above the Jupiter sysem.

In my hypothesis I'm merely suggesting that something got the phenomenon going that initiated the temporal duplicating effect that the Sulaco would get caught-up in, the quantum state, temporally and gravitationally. 

The effect could be rare, unique even but something that wouldn't theoretically rip apart the Sulaco in an instant so it would have to be within the breaking points of limited, justifiable credibility.

Ripley,Sulaco & Co. encounter/go into orbit around a black hole,somehow creating a paradox in space-time:2 Ripleys,2 Sul

Hello BigDave... 

So the picture I'm painting is as Ripley and Co. immediately after they go into cryo-sleep at the end of Aliens leave the local orbit of LV-426 they go off on a course that will take them near-to the centre of the galaxy for reasons we can also speculate on...

If I had to draw comparisons it would be the intro scene of Tim Burtons Planet of the Apes with the spacial-electromagnetic storm crossed with moments from Interstellar when they begin orbiting into both the spherical wormhole and the super-massive black hole: Gargantua.

Somewhere there a phased-electromagnetic discharge encounters the Sulaco whirling around the black hole or the Sulaco encounters IT!

Its at this exact moment that the Quantum Duplicating event and effect upon the Sulaco occurs. You could in some way call it Quantum Cloning but the phrasing is merely a vague, marginal comparison form of word use. Temporal Duplicating, Quantum Copying - you get the picture...

Once the phenomena occurs that interacts with the Sulaco the duplicating effect happens perhaps in a blinding flash of light or the magnetic fields rippling out and the gravetic effects of the super-massive black hole's huge presence.

It is here that one 'version' of the Sulaco and crew are both inter-phased and superimposed upon the other. But, like two positively charged magnets they repel one-another, one version being flung out of the accretion disc, the other being trapped there near to the event-horizon.

The black hole/worm hole is the agent that gets the phenomenon started so the Ripley and Co. we see at the very beginning of Alien 3 has already had its encounter with the black hole/worm hole/temporal anomaly phenomenon. What you don't realise is at the exact same time that you see that there is an exact temporal duplicate in every exact detail of Ripley, Sulaco and Co. stuck in orbit around or very near to the event-horizon of the super-massive black hole at the centre of the galaxy. In this way both potential viewings of Alien 3 and Aliens (2.1) can co-exist and run concurrently alongside one-another as parallel stories without disturbing the self-contained continuity of the other.