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Star Wars fan theory suggests Snoke is actually Mace Windu, with supporting evidence.

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Star Wars fan theory suggests Snoke is actually Mace Windu, with supporting evidence.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi December 15th, 2017

A Star Wars fan theory has emerged and has ignited debate within the fan community. Supreme Leader Snoke is Mace Windu? At first the prospect of such a claim seems ludicrous, but after watching the video below, the possibility seems more and more likely.

This theory covers many supporting arguments to solidify the claims. I've jotted a few of the main ones below, but be sure to give the video a watch at the foot of this article for an even more in-depth analysis.

Mace Windu never died.

Samuel Jackson himself is a firm believer that Windu didn't die when he was cast out a window by the Emperor in Revenge of the Sith. He argues Jedi have the ability to fall great distances, even injured and not die - he's right.

The Force Lightening the Emperor used on Windu could also attribute for Smoke's disfigurement and pale complexion.

Mace Windu 's lightsaber is a clue.

Mace Windu used a purple lightsaber - a symbol of balance between light and dark sides of the Force. Even combining the colors blue and red make purple.

It's documented that Mace Windu was one of the few to possess the ability to utilize both light and dark aides of the Force during combat. Snoke also shows a serious obsession with balance between both the light and dark sides, as shown in The Force Awakens.

Finn is Windu's son.

The theory suggests Finn is a child of Windu's and that as Snoke, ensured he could keep an eye on Finn as he grew up. It's suggested that Kylo Ren was instructed to keep an eye on Finn as well.

Finn was a garbage collector, who's first real mission was a rather important one, accompanying Kylo Ren. Kylo also seems to treat Finn differently and oddly manages to keep specific tabs on him throughout the film.

The awakening was Finn's, not Rey's.

As the video below points out, the moment Snoke mentions to Ren that there has been an awakening, Rey had not yet exhibited any Force sensitivities, however Finn had. If Finn is Windu's son, he would be a Force sensitive as well, but due to not exhibiting any Force sensitivities at an early age, Snoke sought out a different pupil who he could train instead - Kylo Ren.

Snoke saw the rise and fall of the Empire.

This means Snoke would have been present in the prequel trilogy - like Mace Windu was. Windu, if still alive would have gone into hiding like the few remaining Jedi and would have witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire.

Snoke's vendetta with the Skywalkers.

Mace Windu was betrayed by Anikan Skywalker when he was about to execute the Emperor. This would have been more than enough to solidify his hatred and push him to the dark side. Speaking revenge on the Skywalkers by infiltrating the minds of their offspring, turning them to the dark side as well.

Kylo Ren uses Mace Windu's signature move.

As the video below illustrates, Kylo Ren is seen using Mace Windu's signature "back spin and slice" move. A move no other Jedi really exhibited in previous films. It makes a lot of sense that Kylo would have learned this move if Snoke, his teacher is I'm fact Mace Windu.

The list of supporting arguments go on for a while and I encourage you to give the video below a watch. It's certainly an exciting prospect to consider going forward with Episode VIII next year. Let me know your thoughts on this theory in the comments section below!

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23 Fan responses to Star Wars fan theory suggests Snoke is actually Mace Windu, with supporting evidence.

Facehuggers

Sep-16-2016 2:05 PM

Wow! Brilliant! 

Gavin

Sep-16-2016 2:47 PM

There are many suspects when it comes to Supreme Leader Snoke's true identity, Mace Windu is a long shot possibility. Here's a list of some of the other possibilities that have been theorized...

General Leia Organa

Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker

Kylo Ren (from the future)

Darth Sidious

Darth Plagueis

Darth Maul

Boba Fett

Jar Jar Binks (I shit you not)

Yoda

and even... Luke Skywalker

 

...It seems fans are pointing fingers at almost all the main characters from the saga so far, but for me, my money remains on Plagueis.

Regent Tyrannos

Sep-16-2016 5:38 PM

^Concur with Gavin

Durp004

Sep-17-2016 5:46 AM

Wow these fan theories are really stretching if now Snoke is Windu and Finn is his supposed to be his son. 

 

Chances are Snoke is no one from any of the past movies. Like high chances, very very high.

Xenotaris

Sep-17-2016 11:21 AM

also first snoke has a different voice than Windu: Snoke has an english accent while Windu has an american accent.

Also Snoke and Windu's facial structures are completely different.

Centauri

Sep-17-2016 2:30 PM

I don't think snoke is anyone but Snoke......

 

A. Hes a giant 

B. He doesn't look or sound like Mace Windu

C.

 

 

Shiro

Sep-18-2016 6:20 AM

If you look closely at Windu and Snoke's heads you will see the same scar!

BigDave

Sep-18-2016 12:49 PM

Finn being Windu's Son maybe or he could be Lando Calrissian's (what i think he is).

Windu as Snoke?

Nope...

I think Snoke is someone from behind the scenes... we maybe not seen yet,  it is said he is maybe ancient and so is not Human but then Force Powers could keep someone alive for longer.

But Snoke is supposed to be Tall....

I think he is someone NEW...

Otherwise i would go with either

Sim Aloo ----- Long Time close advisor to Palpatine and his personnel errand to the Emperor so to speak, he would have been around during the Rise of the Empire but the Fall?  He was assumed to had died with the destruction of the 2nd Death Star... but what a place to explain his scars.

He was Human but Pale, Gaunt and Tall.

Or

The Grand Inquisitor---- leader of the Inquisitors who were tasked with hunting down the Jedi.... and Inquisitors are Force Sensitive. 

He was a Pau'an and they are Pale, Gaunt and Tall.

But i still think Snoke will not be either of them. But i think they fit the bill more than the other names being branded about...

The Grand Inquisitor had a hatred for the Jedi, but he also seemed to have a jealously over the powers and rank of Vader.

And as for Sim Aloo not many where as close to Palpatine as he was. Vader being one of the few.

BigDave

Sep-18-2016 12:53 PM

Then i could buy into maybe Grand Moff Tarkin being a possibility.

You have the Vader Rumour due to the Scars... But Luke Burnt Vaders Body and Vader was only Tall due to the Cybernetics as Anakin was not too tall and how did Vader/Anakin Regenerate his Arms but not his Facial Scars?

Durp004

Sep-18-2016 8:55 PM

Snoke is only seen through a hologram. We have no idea his actual height and specs. Palpatine projected a huge head when he appeared in Empire Strikes Back, but ended up being shorter than Luke.

 

Snoke is almost 100% someone new. I haven't read the second aftermath book, or leia's bloodties yet, buuuuuut since the aftermath trilogy is being labelled as the bridge between episode 6 and 7 at one point one of Palpatine's advisors mentions the outer layer of the galaxy as somewhere the Imperial remnants should go as he thought that was where Palpatine got his power. 

 

My guess is that after continuing to lose to the new Republic the empire eventually does go to the out reaches of known space and there they they find Snoke, or he finds them, I would bet any sum of money that anyone wagered that Snoke definitely isn't Windu though, I don't care what Sam Jackson says it doesn't make sense for Windu thematically to survive, and not immediately climb the stairs and go back to Palpatine's office for round 2.

Durp004

Sep-18-2016 9:58 PM

Didn't know but Snoke's height is confirmed here to be 7 ft.

 

Well that eliminates most potential older characters outside the fact they somehow got a new body.

Shiro

Sep-19-2016 5:06 AM

Durp004 7ft tall is enormous!But hiw will he use a lightsaber i mean really!

BigDave

Sep-19-2016 10:19 AM

Indeed that 7ft could be potentially 7 ft....

It does not rule out him being a Tall Human, like Sim Aloo or a Pau'an like the Grand Inquisitor.

I think with a lot of theories people are forgetting some of the basics and that is that Snoke is Tall, Thin and looks Frail which could imply he is very ancient.

I still think he would be someone very new however

 

Shiro

Sep-19-2016 10:23 AM

If he is 7ft tall we will need an XXL lightsaber for him :D lol!

Durp004

Sep-19-2016 12:38 PM

At 7 ft he stands pretty noticable over Vader so I think that would discount the Grand Inquisitor or Sim, or really anyone that ever got the limelight Vader and even Anakin were noticably taller than most other onscreen characters.

 

@Shiro I doubt he'll use a lightsaber he'll probably follow the ancient dark sorcerer approach Palpatine did in Episode 6.

Shiro

Sep-20-2016 5:07 AM

Okay thanks Durp004....but still an XXL lightsaber would be hilarious :D

Matterbratter

Sep-20-2016 3:57 PM

Snoke could possibly not only one who saw the rise and fall of the empire but was indeed a key element of it, Sifo-Dyas. Said to have died some time after comissioning a clone army, he would have ideally been a great Jedi master who went against Jedi precepts to create an instrument of war. Sifo-Dyas is an unknown barely mentioned in the series, but definitely more deserving of recognition due to his creating the great downfall of Jedi by hiding a planetary system and army from the Jedi for nearly 30 years.

B1azingPh03nix

Sep-21-2016 6:27 AM

I have a hard time believing it to be Sifo-Dyas... The clone wars established pretty well that he was dead. I think he's a new player, that happened to be around during the clone wars. He said that he "saw the empire rise and fall." All that really tells us is that he was old enough to remember when it happened. I remember 9/11 happen vividly, but I was 10 years old. So for all we know he could've been a kid. (I know, unlikely given how old the guy looks, but you could come up with a thousand explanations to make that story work, that are more plausible than Mace Windu becoming a Dark Lord)

 I don't think it's Plagueis either. Palpatine killed him personally, and I highly doubt he'd have made the mistake of leaving him alive. He was meticulous enough that I'm sure he'd have taken painstaking measures to ensure he was really dead. Even if Plagueis somehow survived his assassination, you'd think he'd be out for blood against Palpatine for betraying him. The only real logic I can see that supports Snoke being Plagueis, is that almost nothing is known about him anymore that's cannon, and that reveal would make for some shock value, revealing a name people recognize. I still highly doubt it though.

There are so many names getting thrown around that don't make any logical sense, other than the fact that they hung out with Palpatine, or were a part of the empire.

 Tarkin would make no sense, since he not only blew up on the Death Star, but he had an indifferent attitude towards the force in general...

Palpatine's stooges wouldn't make much sense either, since they were all brown nosing drones, and Palpatine would've been able to sense force sensitivity from them being that close to them so often, and being a follower of the "Rule of two" would've either taken Snoke as an apprentice, or had him killed.

Boba Fett makes the least amount of sense because he has an active disdain for the force, and you don't bring Boba Fett back to life just to make him a grumpy old man with a jacked up face.

I also highly doubt he's Mace Windu. I can see some logic, and I did notice that forehead scar, but I have a hard time buying that Mace would pull such a 180. Mace Windu was a Jedi master, and he had a ton of fortitude, and an ability to keep a level head. I could buy that he's still alive, but if he did survive, I don't see him declaring a vendetta against every Skywalker in existence just because Anakin cut off his right hand. That's completely against his character, and wouldn't make any sense for him to do. Even Anakin, a completely irrational, whiny, pitiful excuse for a Jedi didn't just go full Vader when his mom died. He just freaked out on some tuscan raiders, because he was an irrational, whiny teenager. Mace Windu kept a level head, and could control his anger. Sure, he'd be jaded AF. But becoming the next Palpatine? No sir.

Most likely a new character that hasn't appeared in the series before.

JodyGeorge

Sep-21-2016 4:53 PM

 

Remember though when Windu said "You know Dooku was once a jedi.  He could not assassinate anybody...its not in his character"  He was wrong about that.  He could blame the skywalkers for the fall of the jedi, not just the loss of the hand. 

Overall, probably not Windu but it would be interesting.

schmittpipe

Sep-24-2016 10:33 PM

So I'm watching the Force Awakens. The part in the beginning where they say that Kylo Ren stares down Finn; Well they were watching the storm troopers shoot the village people. They obviously saw he was the only one not shooting. Next, Rey decides not to sell the BB droid. The force was guiding her. She also exhibits extraordinary fighting skills, she has INCREDIBLE Piloting skills which we know Anakin showed even as a young boy. She was able to pilot a ship she's never flown before with pin point accuracy, even lining up Finns shot. Also, Finn says "That's the only name THEY ever gave me" Implying that all he remembers is the First Order. Apparently Jakku was his first mission, so he's probably never killed before or even been in combat. He says he was a a sanitation worker. 

 

Finn cannot shoot (just like a storm trooper), cannot fight hand to hand, cannot recover as fast as a force sensitive being can, He gets his but whooped by a storm trooper while he's armed with a lightsaber. However, Rey can take on the likes of Kylo Ren with a weapon she's never held in combat. 

 

We all know that only Force Sensitive beings can properly handle a lightsaber. Rey handles it with poise and grace, but Finn can't take on a storm trooper? No, I don't think Finn is force sensitive. 

HOWEVER!!!! I Hope like heck that Snoke is Mace Windu!! The rest makes perfect sense. He absolutely could have survived the fall, could have turned to the dark side, could have plotted this incredible scheme to get back at the Skywalkers. I would LOVE for this to be part of the trilogy, he was such a great character. 

Regent Tyrannos

Oct-01-2016 10:54 AM

maybe if they add legends and screw around with it for a bit, Snoke will end up being the dark half of Revan, but in a different body.  I mean, Vitiate was able to transfer his consciousness a TON of times

S.M

Oct-01-2016 2:34 PM

Snoke has two hands.  Windu only had one.

BigDave

Oct-02-2016 4:51 PM

"He gets his but whooped by a storm trooper while he's armed with a lightsaber"

We have to remember FINN gave good account of himself against Snokes supposed apprentice and so Kylo Ren was not very good with the Force... not as far as in combat.

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